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Polish Declension App - Opinions Wanted

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On the bus home last night I had the idea of creating a simple App to help test my knowledge of the different polish declensions for nouns. Between masculine personal and non-personal, and hard and soft endings, I realized that I really only know half the picture when it comes to declension (that is, what I can transfer over from Russian).

Hence I threw together this proof of concept which can be played here.

NOTE: This was created in three hours, on a bus, and only has three nouns. Moreover it is ugly (that is, just a proof of concept, no styling).

How to play: A noun is displayed with a chosen case and singular/plural below, for example accusative singular, instrumental plural etc. There are four, unique possible answers, one of which is correct, while the player has five seconds to choose. Afterwards the correct answer is briefly displayed on screen.

So my question is, would this be a useful app? Does something already like this exist?

Dziękuje bardzo for all the feedback so far. I plan on developing the game in my spare time once Pół na pół is complete. Some more information can be found here.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Jellei
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I really like the idea, and I do like the app. I have no idea if something like this exists, since, well... I do not learn Polish ;)

As feedback is concerned, I would really put the cases in full names. I deal with their names everyday, but at 9:40 in the morning, at times I really had to take a few seconds to understand what the app is asking from me. If someone just started learning and is a native speaker of a language that does not have cases, it may take even longer for them. Seems that you should find enough space for "Instrumental Singular" without much problem, especially if you move the correct/incorrect indicator to a different place.

Also I would make a message about a wrong answer... more clear. The red square in the corner doesn't really catch my attention that much.

But anyway, way to go! :) Now let's wait and learn from the learners if maybe something like that already exists ;)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tu.8zPhLD72zzoZN
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It sounds like fun. I use Wiktionary a lot to learn the declension, but that doesn't test me

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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yeah it's pretty cool, tho I didn't really understand what you're supposed to do in the beginning

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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A simple update can be found by following the above link or clicking here. Still very rough and an early idea, but hopefully a little clearer.

@Jellei Thanks for your feedback. I get what you mean about the case names - I simply left it as "AS" as I wasn't sure would I write it in English, German or Polish. Feedback - both visual and sonically - would be presently in a later version.

@allintolearning I use Wiktionary too, a great resource for declension!

@LICA98 Yeah I understand what you mean. Presently user interface and friendliness is being sacrificed for something that simply works.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jellei
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It's already much better :) Although... isn't it a bit too fast? ;)

I noticed that you put "kochanie", I don't think it should be there. It is generally a gerund form ("loving" as a noun), and as "darling" it is used almost exclusively in Vocative. Yes, the declension of "kochanie" = "darling" exists and is the same as for the gerund, but you wouldn't use most of those forms, like... ever. Almost.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Ha yes it is :p Okay I've removed kochanie, thanks for your feedback, I'll let you know when there's another update in case you've some time to test it. Thanks again Jellei!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/polargorilla

Yes, I also find it way too fast for me. Actually, initially, I'd rather not have it timed at all, and simply let me have time to think about that the correct answer would be.

The main issues, is when I see the case name, I'm 1) first needing to read this, then 2) process the case, followed by 3) whether plural or singular, before 4) checking all the words in the list, and finally, 5) making a decision on what to select.

I kept running out of time. Bigger issue, is that I am just starting out, and am more confused than sure about the different cases.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/polargorilla

I really like the idea too, and this is definitely something that would be most helpful. The revised version is already good.

I have one possible suggestion, and perhaps this could be offered as a preference choice in settings. I think it would be clearer if you were to briefly reverse the size and font colours for the word and the case name. So the case name would be large, bold and black and fade to pale grey within half a second or so, before the word then appears large, black and bold. This would give time to understand what the user is about to choose.

One other thing, I find that when I got the word wrong, the correct choice is displayed too briefly, not giving me enough time to lock in on it. Perhaps another preference setting for display time.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Thanks for the feedback polargorilla. Yes I will defiantly change the speed (and maybe have a 'no countdown' practice option too). Nobody wants to play a frustrating game!

And yeah that is a good point, when answered incorrectly, the correct answer sound stay longer on screen, maybe even two times longer than when one correctly answers a question.

The case name, question word animation and presentation needs to be concise yet intuitive, and this is something I defiantly need to work on. I like your idea which could be a good idea for the random game as it is now. If the suppose choose a specific case to be tested on - say genitive plural - then the task at hand so as to speak would already be clear.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Okcydent
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I have only one advice to you. Don't ever use colours green and red together. There are many colour-blind people like me, who cannot easily see the difference. Text is much better.

Ok, maybe second idea, as a Polish Native Speaker i would gladly see Polish name of cases along with English ones and questions that are linked with each of the cases - for example Nominative (Mianownik - kto?co?). I recognize the case just by answering to those questions not by the names themselves.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Do you mean the green checkmark and red x? Regardless of color, checkmark and x are pretty universally recognized as correct/incorrect, so I would be interested to know what could be problematic. I really don't think colorblindness is on the radar for developers or graphic designers, although it seems to affect up to 8% of men. And yes, polish case names will be the default, this was just a very quick test that I left in English (as opposed to Polish or German) as I assumed most who would read this post would be learning Polish from English.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jellei
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Actually I'd vote for English cases name as the default ones, or maybe having both would be useful. For example, I have level 17 in Russian, but out of such grammar vocabulary, I can only name masculine gender, feminine gender and plural grammatical number. And some parts of speech. So it seems risky to me to have the cases' names only in Polish.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Polish (or the player's phone language) will be default but they can easily choose between English/German/Polish/Russian at any time from a settings menu :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Onagraceae
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I love the idea too! I would definitely use this app if available (preferably online like that since I don't have a smartphone). I'm a native english speaker and have only been practicing Polish for a week and a half, so the time is too quick for me. I would also love to see levels, like easy might just be nouns in the accusative or instrumental, medium mixes them, and hard is a mix of everything with faster time.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Thanks for the feedback mstypulkoski. Initially the player will be able to choose which case they'd like to be tested on. Perhaps a future idea would be an Easy-Medium-Hard model which the player can progress through. The app will be initially iOS but there'd be a simulated version that one can play online as in the link above.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mandiras
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One suggestion that came into my mind. It would be great if the app could match the structure of the Duolingo course. That way it could be useful to people before they have actually finished the tree. I am quite deep into the tree, but I struggled with all the questions coming up about vocative forms, since I haven't learned that case yet.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Thanks for the feedback Mandiras. The app wouldn't be pegged or linked to the Duolingo course, but would allow the option of choosing which case you would like to be tested on.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/polargorilla

Hey @lkspnnnplts any news on your app? I wondered if perhaps you've finished something we can begin testing?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lkspnnnplts
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Unfortunately I have been bogged down with work, a few months ago I did however make a new prototype that is playable here.

1 year ago