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Why is the genitive for "собака" - "собаки"?

Hi! I'm a newbie in the study of Russian and I'm struggling with cases/declensions.

Can someone please explain to me why "cобаки" is the genitive for "собака"? Being the a feminine noun, and ending with -a, shouldn't the right ending in the genitive form be -ы, as in "собакы"?

Is this an exception to the rule or am I misinterpreting the rules? Thanks in advance.

BTW: Although I do my courses from English, my native language is Portuguese (European), so if there is anyone out there who is learning the language and wants to chat for support, feel free to ask/add me as friend.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Olja.
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It's one of the spelling rules. Check Tips and Notes here: https://www.duolingo.com/skill/ru/Plurals

The 7-letter rule: Whenever you make any form of a word, and you need to write И or Ы, check this:

  • after К, Г, Х and Ш, Ж, Щ, Ч always use И

These are velars ("back" consonants) and hushes. For hushes, it is merely a spelling convention, owing to their former "soft" status. For velars, it is true to their pronunciation — i.e., these consonants always use the palatalized И where another consonant would use Ы:

  • страна́ → стра́ны
  • строка́ → стро́ки

Of these seven consonants, «К» should be your main concern for now. A lot of nouns have it as a suffix or a part of their suffix, forcing you to remember this rule.

The 8-letter rule: Whenever you make any form of a word, and you need to write А, У or Я, Ю after a consonant, follow the rule:

  • after К, Г, Х , Ш, Ж, Щ, Ч and Ц, always use А or У

Nom. - Кто? Что? - собака, кошка, шапка...
Gen. - Кого? Чего? - собаКи, кошКи, шапКи...

Nom. - Кто? Что? - шляпа, корова, комната...
Gen. - Кого? Чего? - шляПы, короВы, комнаТы...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeonidBr
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commented on Why is the genitive for "собака" - "собаки"? “Olja, that's fine answer! Bravo!

Leonid

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Boalen
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Russian is my native language. I don't know what you have read in the tips and notes, but I can't think of a word from this group (singular feminine ending in a) that would have a different ending in genitive. I don't have a dog, cat, little mouse, fork, book.

У меня нет собаки, кошки, мышки, вилки, книги. Try to read it again. You probably misunderstood the rule.

I have just read Olja's post and I see I was wrong to say they it is always "и", but my examples are still correct.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olja.
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but I can't think of a word from this group (singular feminine ending in a) that would have a different ending in genitive.

У меня нет шляпы. У меня нет комнаты. У меня нет коровы. У меня нет группы. У меня нет страны. У меня нет вороны/короны/колонны. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nina_here

are you nunof who lived in limburg, NL???

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ArvinsFernandes

Nope, lots of places but never NL, sorry.

1 year ago