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'Been' in German

What is the meaning of 'worden sein'. What does it imply?

Here I have some sentences that uses 'worden sein'. Please translate it:

  • "Die Tür wird geschlossen worden sein,"
  • "Dann würde Ihnen die Adresse gegeben worden sein,"

Thanks

December 24, 2016

15 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

Those two sentences are "The door will have been closed" and "Then the address would have been given to you", respectively.

So the worden corresponds to the been and the sein to the "have" that together are used to form the perfect and pluperfect tenses in the passive voice.

English uses "to be" to form the passive and "to have" to form the perfect, but German uses werden to form the passive and sein to form the perfect of some verbs including werden.

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/slightly-left

can 'wird' be replaced with 'muss' on the first sentence?

December 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

Grammatically, yes, though the meaning is different: "The door must have been closed."

December 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/slightly-left

Does the second sentence apply Futur I or Futur II in Konjunktiv II?

January 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

I'd say Futur II, Konjunktiv II, Passiv.

January 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Leader-Desslok

I'm fairly sure that "worden" should instead be "geworden." The first sentence is in the future perfect tense, and means "the door will have been closed." The future perfect is formed by putting the verb werden + past participle of the main verb + haben or sein, depending on the verb. The second sentence means "then the address would have been given to you." It is in the conditional mood, as is the sentence in English, and the perfect tense. This is the conditional perfect. It is formed by putting the subjunctive form of werden (wurden with umlaut over the u) + past participle of main verb + haben or sein, depending on the verb. I hope this helped.

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

"worden" is fine in those sentences.

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Slossen

"worden sein" im ersten Beispiel ist korrekt. Für das Futur II (Vermutung über etwas das vorbei ist) ist "worden" richtig. Anders beim Perfekt: "Er ist Arzt geworden". (He became a doctor.) Der zweite Beispielskatze müsste lauten: " Dann wäre Ihnen die Adresse gegeben worden"

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/SimoneBa

"Beispielskatze"??? Whatever version of autocorrect your gadget is using, I WANT IT!!!

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Slossen

Sorry, Tippfehler; es sollte "Beispielsatz" heissen.

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/SimoneBa

Das war schon klar, aber mit der Mietze hat's mir besser gefallen ;-)

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Slossen

miau ; )

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Jan_Osch

Nee, nee, der Satz ist schon richtig, da er im Konjunktiv 2 steht.

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Slossen

Formal ist er richtig aber stilistisch schlecht, sollte doch beim Konjunktiv 2 die Zweiwortform ("Würde-Form") vermieden werden, wenn die Einwortform eindeutig ist, insbesondere beim Verb "sein" Beispiel: "Sie wäre verhaftet worden" nicht " Sie würde verhaftet worden sein".

December 24, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Jan_Osch

Ich weiß ja was du meinst und du hast auch absolut recht. Ich frage mich nur, ob es nicht totzdem einen zeitlichen Unterschied zwischen deinem Satz und der Beispielkatze gibt.

December 24, 2016
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