Simple Incubator Request
This might sound silly, or it might be nice, but here goes.
Currently Duolingo's Incubator lists three phases of incubation: Incubation Phase 3 - Courses graduated from Beta Incubation Phase 2 - Courses released in Beta Incubation Phase 1 - Courses not yet released
Could a fourth Phase be added? Incubation Phase 0 - Courses on the horizon
I know there is currently a road map on "[GUIDE] I would like a new course: What should I do?", but the general haze of "Are they actually thinking about it?" still lingers around.
The reason I ask is that I feel it could provide several possible benefits.
- It could advertise courses to get possible contributors.
I know the "Looking for more language courses?" gives a way for a person skilled in multiple languages the opportunity to contribute, but with a Phase 0, it could encourage Duolingo users to find Linguists who may know the desired languages, but aren't interested in other Duolingo Courses, but may consider contributing.
- It could give a more structured place for Duolingo users to request courses.
And by more structured, I mean better than a flow chart and forum diving. The Phase 0 Courses could have a show of interest and Duolingo Users can upvote or even give lingots to show backing. This would also give some satisfaction to users who want a course, but in no real way can contribute.
- It could give more visibility to these new course ideas.
I've seen in the forums an interest in new courses, but a lot of these forum topics are older and I haven't even seen a nod to these courses' creations. I guess it's more of a worry that some of these languages, ones that may even have quite a few possible learners, will be forgotten because of any number of reasons. At least a Phase 0 would at least be a reminder that there is interest, and later when new users are looking for new courses they can throw their interest to these (hopefully first).
I'm sure I could write down other reasons, but this is just a simple little request. Thank you.
I don't have the impression that Duolingo is lacking in potential course contributors.
It is more difficult than it seems because they have to find those who are capable and committed to a long term project. So most of the time they have to consider whether the contributor will be active and cooperative with the whole team, aside from his/her qualifications
I am actually opposed to that. People will be complaining why this course is not in Phase 0. It won't be any different than not having it
That would be great! There might be people that want to contribute to a course but don't know if anyone has acually applied to create it yet. It also might encourage people who don't use Duolingo but want to contribute to join (as these people wouldn't check the forums, where requests for languages are posted).
I support the idea generally but isn't the GUIDE already doing what your third point 1. suggests?
I'd also like to say as a general observation that by no fault of its own, not a single language from the GUIDE has been added to the incubator during the 8-9 months it has existed. Of course, it's not quite as bad as it sounds since only one language has been added in that time but then the question becomes "why only one?"
Yes, it does... to some degree, but maybe my expectations are higher than they should be. I was just implying that this proposed Phase 0 would also do it, and possibly do it better (more organized and visible that a forum post albeit sticky).
Also it didn't format the way I wanted to, I swear I put 1. , 2., and 3.
What if "Courses on the Horizon" was not for just any courses that someone in the forum suggests (the "Guide" seems more of a wish list by users than a road map by Duolingo), but for courses that the Duolingo staff themselves are actually thinking about?
- Arabic for English speakers, according to Luis (co-founder of Duolingo) at https://www.quora.com/When-will-learning-English-to-Arabic-and-Arabic-to-English-be-available-in-Duolingo
- Chinese for English speakers, according to Luis (co-founder of Duolingo) at https://www.quora.com/Will-Duolingo-offer-Chinese-as-a-language-option-anytime-soon
- English for Marathi speakers, according to Luis (co-founder of Duolingo) at http://www.androidcentral.com/luis-von-ahn-duolingo-founder-next-goals-and-new-found-love-india
- Latin, according to Luis (co-founder of Duolingo) at http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2mwe7w/i_am_luis_von_ahn_the_creator_of_recaptcha_those/cm86qmb
- one of the Mayan languages, probably for Spanish speakers, according to Luis (co-founder of Duolingo) at http://eleconomista.com.mx/tecnociencia/2015/07/17/duolingo-wikipedia-rescate-las-lenguas-indigenas
What if it was also for courses that the Duolingo volunteers (the ones already accepted and at work in the incubator) themselves are actually thinking about?
- Arabic for English speakers, according to Latif_ (contributor to English for Arabic speakers) at https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9968130 and Amgad (contributor to English for Arabic speakers) at https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/en/ar/status and https://www.duolingo.com/comment/14013491 (scroll down)
- English for Swahili speakers, according to BrandenRyan (contributor to Swahili for English speakers) at https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11388450$comment_id=11456775
- Tamil for English speakers according to rohanshankar (contributor to English for Tamil speakers) at https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/en/ta/status
- Turkish for Arabic speakers, according to FaroukZeino (Duolingo moderator) at https://www.duolingo.com/comment/10470960
The first option might make sense, although participants might have to resign themselves to long waits for certain languages (i.e. Chinese, which reportedly is technically difficult to implement) and disappointments (i.e. when Duolingo backed off from creating a Cherokee course, after failing to get support they were hoping for from the White House).
Since course contributors do not make decisions about which languages Duolingo tackles, the second option makes less sense.
I like your proposal..
I , myself, have to google to find out news for a new language, and the reasons you provided, as well as other good reasons that can be added, are indeed justifying.
I wish this was present when Arabic was my interest course.. Now, much time has passed while i was unaware, and suddenly i saw an Arabic course being worked upon, being 68% done by now, and with contributors and modulators already done without me having had track of them ...!