https://www.duolingo.com/JacobMMcGee

Question about Greek

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This may seem like a silly question, but what type of Greek is offered by Duolingo? I would assume it's modern Greek, but the description is somewhat confusing:

"Greek is one of the most ancient languages in the world. Spoken by around 13 million people, it is a language that holds an important place in history. A great number of world-famous works in mythology, philosophy, literature, psychology, mathematics and other sciences were created in Greek.

Sign up to learn this historical language on Duolingo today! Whether you do it so you can stroll the streets of Athens, order your food on a Greek island or prepare for a journey into Odyssey’s pages as written in its original language, this is a language that will definitely enrich your life."

While "stroll the streets of Athens" sounds like it would be referring to Modern Greek, "prepare for a journey into Odyssey's pages as written in its original language," sounds like it would be referring to ancient Greek. Ancient Greek is also more widely taught in the English-speaking world than modern Greek.

January 13, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/MagnitTheMagnet

it's modern greek

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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It's Modern Greek. I agree that it's a rather confusing description.

What are you basing your statement that Ancient Greek is more widely taught than Modern Greek on? Are you lumping Koine and Homeric Greek together? Even then, I doubt it.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Osnakezz
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And then there is Byzantine and Attic Greek.

Excluding Proto-Indo-European (~5000 B.C. until around ~3500 B.C.),
and excluding Proto-Greek (~3500 until around ~1600 B.C.), we would end up with:

Mycenæan Greek (~1600 B.C. until ~1200 B.C.)
Ancient Greek dialects - including Aeolic, Attic, Doric, Ionic, a.s.f. (1200 B.C. until 300 B.C.)
Homeric Greek (300 B.C. until 300 A.D.)
Koine/Biblicial Greek (same period)
Byzantine Greek (300 A.D. until 1453)
Modern Greek (1453 up to today).

They teach you Modern Greek, but I would imagine that there are a few idiomatic expressions from earlier periods of the language, in the course. I've heard that Greek generally can read and understand up to Koine Greek pretty easily; but give them Attic, they will have a headache, and when you offer them to read some Homeric Greek, they will surrender and wave with a white flag. :P

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/JacobMMcGee
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Many if not most colleges and universities in the United States (even some small ones) offer either Classical or Biblical Greek. Any college with a classics department will probably offer classical Greek while any seminary would offer Biblical Greek. On the other hand, finding Modern Greek courses or study material is difficult.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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Ah, just higer education then. I'd think that amateur learners of Modern Greek )and schoolchildren) far outstrip that. Modern Greek is widely taught in Australia from K-12, and DuoLingo alone has 153,000 people active on its Greek course.

As for the difficulty of finding study materials, the written corpus of Modern Greek far exceeds that of Classical or Koine, and I don't think anyone's making TV, radio or movies in Classical!

If you're having trouble finding specific learner's material, there are hundreds of course books available on Amazon alone. Michel Thomas has a course, as do Rosetta Stone, Pimsleur, the BBC, the University of Athens, Teach Yourself, and Colloquial.

There's also GreekPod 101, Italki, Verbling, the Hellenic American podcasts, Kypros, and more. Kypros has 130,000 users.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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@JacobMMcGee It's not silly . This is Modern Greek if you read the Tips Notes on the ABC skill you will see it stated at least 3 times. Good luck on your studies and never hesitate to ask questions.

January 14, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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Since this post is about Greek, could you move it to the Greek forum? More of the people who are interested in Greek will see it there, and it will help keep this forum easy to navigate for those who aren't currently studying Greek.

Don't delete it and create a new one, just click edit, and change the topic from Duolingo to Greek. Here's a guide on how to move a post: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16609773.

Thanks :)

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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I'm starting to think that you have a Word document (which features a blank space for the appropriate language) ready to copy and paste from your desktop for occasions like this.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/auto-text-expander-for-go/iibninhmiggehlcdolcilmhacighjamp

:) I know it seems a little soulless, but I don't see the benefit of typing the same message again and again.

...and I'd rather that inexperienced forum users got a chance to move their posts to the right place, rather than just watching them get downvoted into oblivion.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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I wasn't trying to belittle you at all- sorry if it came across like that.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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Not at all :)

January 14, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/39101
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Why are there so many words for the?

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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The majority of languages which feature 'the' have several (sometimes many) words for it. Having them makes for less ambiguous speech, for one thing.

English is very lonely in only having one.

January 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EllisLloydJones

It's sort of like how Spanish has several words for "the" depending on number, gender and if it's an adjective, except in Greek it depends on case, number and gender. Greek has three cases for articles, two numbers for articles and three genders for articles., which makes for 18 declensions of "the" (some are the same). Read up the wikipedia page for Modern Greek Nouns for more info on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Greek_grammar#Articles

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/EllisLloydJones

Does anyone know what variety of Modern Greek is taught?

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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How many varieties of Modern Greek are there?

It's intended to be standard Modern Greek as taught in schools in Greece, without particular regional influences e.g. from the North or from Cyprus.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/EllisLloydJones

So pretty much Standard Modern Greek then?

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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Yes.

June 29, 2018
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