"Pecyn"

Translation:Package

January 15, 2017

8 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexeiNewt

The sound file sounds more like "becyn" to me...

January 15, 2017

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Yes, it's not very clear that it's a 'p' at the beginning.

It's just an artefact of the speech synthesis. One of the other sentences 'Faint yw'r pecyn' has a much clearer 'p' sound.

January 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dimbulb

So, is p less plosive than in English like the Romance languages?

March 21, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shwmae

I think you mean less aspirated - with less of a puff of air? No, the speech software here is wrong. It sounds more like becyn than pecyn.

In Welsh, unvoiced plosives (p, t, c) are aspirated like in most varieties of English, whereas the voiced plosives (b, d, g) are unaspirated and weakly voiced. Welsh b, d, g sound very similar to Romance (French, Spanish, Italian...) p, t, c.

March 31, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexeiNewt

And hence also sb and sg (though not sd strangely...), since there the b and the g are unaspirated.

April 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shwmae

Yeah, that's right. You'll sometimes see st mistakenly spelt sd for the very reason that sd makes more phonemic sense e.g. this ad for rooms to rent spelt sdafell. If Welsh ever had a spelling reform, I'd be up for sdafell, sdopio, cysdal, cosd etc. :)

April 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dimbulb

Aye, that's what I meant, ta. And thanks a bunch for the info, it helps a lot.

April 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shwmae

Croeso!

April 1, 2017
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