No Activity button
EDIT [20-04-2017]: All Activity Streams are turned off for everyone and will not work again.
Read the official announcement here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22226909
A short quote:
... today we needed to remove Activity Streams from the Duolingo experience.
Below is my original post written three months prior to this event:
All of a sudden the Activity button has disappeared for me. What could have happened? I appreciate any answers
I had feedback from Staff about Activity tab in the top blue menubar missing and "Sentences" tab in courses' forums missing.
They said that due to stability issue with the website(*), they decided to temporarily disable those tabs to ensure stability of the whole website. and that they are doing their best to bring them back without compromising site performance.
So we'll (again) just have to be patient. ;)
- UPDATE[17/01/2017 21h30UTC]:
- See Duo's official communication about this issue here.
- UPDATE[19/01/2017 20h50UTC]:
- Immersion's disappearance is not due to the same reason(*): Duolingo stopped definitely Immersion, see here the official announcement.
- (*) up to now, the disappearance of Immersion — for very few users that had it — hasn't been announced to not be a "temporary disappearance made to alleviate servers"
- UPDATE[20/01/2017 23h30UTC]:
- Activity tab is back
- Streams are back. However,
- events of the last ≈18hours are missing
- new events on the stream will disappear after a refresh
- UPDATE[20/01/2017 00h30UTC]:
- Streams fully back. Waiting now for datas of forums' "Sentences" tab to be put back too.
- UPDATE[23/01/2017 14h30UTC]:
- Seems that the "leave a message" button/field on streams isn't working for anyone since 22/01/2017 12h00UTC (noon)
- "Sentences" tab on courses' forum still not back.
- UPDATE[23/01/2017 22h20UTC]:
- "leave a message" button/field on streams is working again
- UPDATE[23/01/2017 23h23UTC]:
- "Sentences" tab on courses' forum are back.
- UPDATE[24/01/2017 01h30UTC]:
- "Sentences" tab on courses' forum disappeared again.
- UPDATE[06/03/2017 23h50UTC]:
- "Sentences" tab on courses' forum are back.
(*) Stability issues started on Jan. 10th as you can see here.
Note: this link is just here as a reference about when this sequence of "stability issues" started. It is not here as a reference about what has been solved when neither about what was solved but is down again etc. ;)
See also this comment where Luis explained 6 days ago that they disabled (for ≈24h) some features in order to alleviate load on their servers: they did the same today.
The UPDATE[17/01/2017 21h30]: says everything is now under control but it isn't, I have just lost immersion as well as my already missing and not yet returned activity. From my perspective it has got worse not better, is there a further problem other than server overload? Do you have any other information, or are you getting your updates in the same way as we are?
The UPDATE[17/01/2017 21h30]: says everything is now under control but it isn't
Everything has been better for a few hours now
Which is not at all saying that they (consider that the risk of the servers going down is passed and thus that they) lifted the disabling of some features.
Just that it's going better, that there are improvements (on the "heavy traffic" handling, as I understand it), not that it is ended/over and even less that they put back all features.
The end of the update says
back to learning and reaching today's goals. ;)
which is, per se, doable without Activity tab.
Note: the bold word in the quote is my adding, not in the original message.
How are we supposed to contact a moderator, if there is no Activity stream?
If it's about abuse in forums, you can use the equivalent other option of filling an "abuse report" to make aware of the abuse (part of) the moderators (that will be sent to part of the moderators -> to staff).
If it's not an abuse, mods aren't really critically needed.
If it's not on forums, then the report form (to staff) is always the first place to consider (forum moderators "duty" in on forums ;) ).
Isn't this leaving some under-age users vulnerable
There is no stream, so vulnerable to discussions in forums that any responsible user can spot (and then either intervene or fill an abuse report)?
Yep, but since then the situation hasn't changed: the only info available is still the same, cf. the Support Pages article.
Situation/information available not changed (as you saw in the article linked), so no need to ask again...
If things change, the Support Pages will be the first place where staff will put their official announcement about it.
Then why didn't Luis make mention of it when he announced the "retirement" of Immersion. That post put Mr Popularity in the red. He could have said we are still working on activity yada yada..... but no. Not a mention. There hasn't been an update to the support page which last said:
Site Issues [Updated Jan 17] Jan 17, 2017 @17:11 EST:
Everything has been better for a few hours now, back to learning and reaching today's goals.
So, yeah, there is every reason to ask again and again .... ad nauseum until someone gives us regualr current updates.
Then why didn't Luis make mention of it when he announced the "retirement" of Immersion.
Simply because his post was about Immersion, not Activity stream.
So, yeah, there is every reason to ask again and again .... ad nauseum until someone gives us regualr current updates.
Sorry, but I don't think that it's a way to obtain something. No offense but it sounds like a child reaction.
But, more importantly, by posting in discussions like that (=where there is no staff member who has participated), it's not asking to anyone who actually could have an answer (and/or speed up things): there is no staff member in this discussion.
So it's more than likely that staff will no see the repeated again and again ranting/question hence such repeated question will not induce that someone who can give a regular current updates will even be aware of the ad nauseum.
If you want to do something ad nauseum that is likely to end up in front of staff's eyes: make them on a discussion created by a staff member or one where a staff member commented at least once. You could also fill a report form: they arrive directly in staff's hands.
There hasn't been an update to the support page which last said:
Yes, saying that things were going "better". So trying to reassure everyone and inviting them to go back to want Duo is for: learning (Activity stream is a side part of Duo, not its core, so yes its better with Acftivity stream but the (most of) main purpose of Duolingo stay available while Activity is down for a few days/weeks). And it's not saying that all was back to normal nor that they stopped on working on fixing things. So I don't see where is the reason to ask since, in my reading at least, the last update about when things will be back to normal is
We are doing our best to bring them back as quickly as possible without compromising site performance.
Hi jrikhal. The thread you reference to was removed. Does it mean it's supposed to be solved now? Since mid december 2016 when I registered, I have never seen this Activity tab on my Web profile, nor on the Android app neither.
The thread you reference to was removed. Does it mean it's supposed to be solved now?
Unfortunately, not necessarily. It just means that staff decided to remove their article... nothing more.
Since [...] I registered, I have never seen this Activity tab
This very likely indicates that it's not a bug but likely "just" that:
- staff runs an A/B test on Activity stream
- you've been (randomly) selected, like half the users, to be in the group of users that don't have Activity for the period of time said A/B test will be run.
There are interesting talks about it: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/21181577
Reading it I just hope that Activity will always remain a part of this website, but with Immersion being retired and Sentences still absent I am not sure what exactly is in store for both new and old accounts.
Here is mine of the Web GUI (in Spanish too for a better, but I'm not a Mod ;-) )
@PapyXM, yes and this is the normal list of tabs for the forum's view you were looking at(*) when you took the screenshot. It is also the list of tabs you'll have when you're looking at a "General" forum of any language(**) or at the "Troubleshooting" forum of any language.
Please enter a COURSE' forum and you'll see the tabs you're suppose to see under a "course' forum view" which is where having a "sentences" tab makes sense: sentences belong to a course. ;)
(*) namely the "general" view, the default view when clicking on the "Forum/Foro" link in the top blue bar: https://www.duolingo.com/topic/subscriptions/new or https://www.duolingo.com/discussion
(**) Note: "language", not "course", here.
I think that it will probably be "retired" just like immersion. For ages the staff were saying that immersion was only down temporarily but then retired it without notice after the longest A/B test in history culminating in stopping it for new accounts. We now see that being repeated, because it seems to be the newest accounts that have no activity button.
I would bet that activity goes the same way as immersion, whilst Duo waste money sending out spam emails like the one I got today trying to get me to join one of the pointless clubs.
This site is rapidly becoming boring and unworkable, so free or not I think I may very soon be retiring from Duo before it gets any worse.
@Olja yes, that's exactly the same email. I don't know about you but immersion, activity and sentence discussions are all more worthwhile in my opinion than clubs that are nothing of the sort.
I don't think they want either serious learners or social interaction of any sort, yet talking to each other is part of the learning process.
Still, we can always use pre-prepared sentences to talk to a computer bot instead of real people in our own words, at least, we can if we have iOs. Won't that be jolly (not) :-(
Ditto, no activity tab and no activity streams not even on my profile page, this started today (17th January) at about 1500 GMT. Currently, I can still open lessons and discussions but nothing else.
I fully understand Duo needs to prioritise in order to keep the servers running but I do hope they are able to sort out the problems fairly soon as it must be very stressful for the staff as well as the users.
Fingers crossed for a successful outcome.
"Duolingo is experiencing some behavior issues due to heavy traffic." Meh!
Let's assume we can take this at face value, i.e:
1) There isn't some DoS (Denial of Service) attack underway. Unlikely, as removing features isn't going to make responses better, unless the DoS is invasive and targeting specific functions. That is also unlikely, since people who launch these attacks are basically lazy, and probably can't be bothered to learn a language to prepare an attack :-). Even it that is the case, read on .... .
2) There isn't some hardware or software issue that is compromising performance. And why wouldn't they say so?
So, heavy traffic, eh?
Well, no surprises there! It really is time that the Owl took on board the fact that you cannot manage a worldwide "open house" computer system with millions of users for long ... .
a) You need users to register.
b) You need users to authenticate themselves to sign on.
c) You need to time out users after a period of inactivity - say 2 hours.
By putting in these controls, you can prevent additional users from signing on when the system is under stress. That way at least, the users who are already logged on are not suffering degraded performance at the expense of additional users piling in.
You cannot provide any level of assured service and response with Duolingo's "free-for-all" user model (and I'm not using free in the sense of money here).
Starting to rip out functionality is a last resort, not the first. Wake up to the real world of computer systems, Owl! You cannot change the laws of physics.
Starting to rip out functionality is a last resort, not the first.
As a (very) temporary first resort, it can be, IMO: just to reduce the #requests made to servers for few hours. But it makes sense (to me, at least) only if:
- you use those few hours to finally put into place some real "long-term fixing" solutions (like the ones you mentioned, at least a) & b)).
- the overload of the servers is not "too high above" the limit the servers can absorb. Otherwise, ripping few features will probably not be enough to alleviate enough the servers for those few hours (cf. the website finally going down totally for few minutes yesterday, despite all those features already disabled).
As a first resort for more than few hours (let say few dozens to be large), it indeed looks to me like a strange (to not say more) idea...
Bonjour, jrijhal. I'm guessing you are not a native English speaker?
To me, "last resort" means something you are forced to do because you have no better options. And I agree with you, as a temporary measure, it may not be the last resort even.
However, I don't see Duo implementing a) overnight.
b) already exists. Everyone has a username and password. There is just nothing to stop users creating more and more spam accounts. I have 3 (not for spamming, but so I can redo activities at different levels).
c) could be implemented quite quickly. At the moment, I can remain signed on for months at a time. When I open my browser, I am just returned to where I left off. Seems wrong, from a technical, system design point of view, if you want to manage your systems and services properly.
Still, who are we to complain? I don't pay for the service. I do feel sorry for the mods like you, however, who give your time for nothing, but don't have the easiest job.
that worked :-)
In order to be able to fill with examples a bug report I'm planning to write to staff about those "some discussions don't open when under a specific interface", may I ask if you could share with me here:
- with which interface you can open it?
- with which interface you cannot open it?
- when under the interface with which it doesn't open, could you
- open the console of your browser
- click on the link
- copy the error messages appearing in the console
- paste them here
As far as we can know, the status has not changed: Duo is "doing [their] best to bring them back as quickly as possible without compromising site performance.".
i only started on Duolingo last week, but i know it was there when i started
Strange, nobody had it last week: Duolingo had disabled it for everyone.
In any case,
i need advice.
as Zeitschleifer said, the advice is still the same: fill a bug report form. Only staff can solve your issue and filling a bug report form is the only way to let them know about your issue.
In his previous reply jrikhal gave you a useful link to a page where you can Submit a Bug Report. But don't forget to add a screenshot of what you think is wrong.
Is it the button in the blue bar that is missing?
By the way, what do you use? I use the website and it is really back for me.
Yes, it is the button in the blue bar that is missing. I use the website. I know that many people have it back because my friend iToochplayer posted on my stream, but i only saw it because i get notifications via email when someone posts on a discussion i am following or someone posts on my stream
When you open your profile you see your own activity stream. When you click on Activity you get to see yours and those of the friends you follow combined.
The combination of not working stream in my profile and the absence of the very word Activity in the bar told me that neither of the streams was supposed to work.
Forum moderators can't do anything about bugs, you'll have to fill a Bug report form which goes directly to staff who are the only one who can look into bugs.
Note that for now around 24hours it seems that the "leave a message" on streams doesn't work (but the streams are displayed).
To complete Zeitschleifer's comment:
"Since that major event it looks like such complaints come more often from the users with relatively new accounts" in which case this is likely not due to a bug at all but just that the account is (among the two groups of the Activity feature's A/B test) in the group without Activity.
If your account is relatively new, it is most likely not a bug, but a test or even the website's new policy which seems to begin with new accounts, but might eventually spread to them all. Despite of that I think that I would still report it as a bug in order to show my disagreement with having no Activity stream in an attempt to make them reconsider something.
Despite of that I think that I would still report it as a bug in order to show my disagreement with having no Activity stream in an attempt to make them reconsider something.
I wouldn't do that:
- It'd fill their "bug report receiving" mailbox making even longer for them to read (other) reports about real bugs.
So it'll participate to make it even longer for them to solve any bug.
- Duolingo bases its decision on statistics made on users' experience through A/B tests, not on users' expressed opinions — on how, in the facts, the users react in front of this or that change and not on what the user think about it nor about what is the best for them (which sometimes contradicts the facts ;).
And they've shown in the past that they don't deviate from this approach: I can't remember one single decision that have been reversed because (some/various/many) users expressed their disagreement.
It looks now like people with very fresh accounts can simply try to make a new one and continue making them until they get one with Activity
You're right! Thanks for mentioning it.
I created this secondary profile and got the Activity tab I never had on my main profile PapyXM. It took me only 2 attempts to get a featured one, the first one didn't so I removed it.
So far it is still possible to post on each others streams for those who were able to do so before. I tried to cover it in the announcement by Luis. Take a look at this conversation for example: https://www.duolingo.com/event/9780292000
P. S. I believe that they will remove it all eventually.
for those who were able to do so before
Except, among those, for those that have been already switched to the new version of the website, cf. this karint's comment.
P. S. I believe that they will remove it all eventually.
Apparently, yes, with the new webversion that they're deploying little by little to all users. Cf. same karint's comment.
Thank you for sharing the latest information. My search brought up your info first. Darn, though, this is my 100th Duolingo day (both as a Streak and all time) and I achieved a new level and tested out of a couple skills and I was looking forward to admiring my Activity list!
Well, at this point, I think it would be helpful for everyone to remember that duolingo is providing a FREE service after all, and whatever there is now is more than what there was before they came into being. I have come to the point where I'm ready to start paying for this service because I value learning foreign languages more than I ever have before and I can thank duolingo for that!
It would also be helpful to remember Duolingo's original business model, before you get all teary-eyed and altruistic with us. If you weren't around at the time:
1) Duolingo would provide courses to learn a foreign language (for free). As it happens, these were mostly written and developed by unpaid volunteers, who put in enormous amounts of effort to develop the courses, as did the beta testers to iron out the glitches.
2) In return, Duolingo would offer a (paid for) translation service to businesses.
3) Translations would be carried out by the eponymous learners mentioned in 1) above, using a crowd-sourcing model similar to Immersion.
4) In what was left of our spare time, we would help to translate the web for the benefit of all mankind.
At no point was there any question of money changing hands between learners and Duolingo.
Clearly, either the business model (2) was simply unviable, or the technology (3), plus the lack of any controls over who was allowed to mess with the translations, did not deliver the required quality to make it work.
Whilst the Owl is of course free to re-purpose Duolingo to make it financially viable again, paid-for access by the early adopters, or inflicting advertising on them, is not compatible with those initial lofty aims.
And most thanks should go to those unpaid course developers and moderators for providing what is, at least until now, a free service.
One small detail about how it was at that time on the volunteers/incubator side:
As it happens, these were mostly written [...] by unpaid volunteers
Duolingo put down its Immersion-related business model around Feb. 2014 (all courses with Immersion entered their beta phase before (or during) that month and the first course not having Immersion entered beta on that month too).
At that time, volunteers were unfortunately unable to "write"(*) the course in the sense they inherited from staff-created course(**) and couldn't edit the content: the order of skills, the list of lexemes taught, the sentences available in the database, etc.
They could "only" choose which 3+ sentences (in the target language) among the ones already available in the database they wanted to include in the course: if the staff's original 6 courses had only three sentences for a given lexeme, then unpaid volunteers had to include that 3 sentences, even if some were unadapted or even wrong.
(*) About writing "Tips and Notes", I think volunteers have started to be able to write/edit them during 2014 too. But I don't remember well. They staff's courses had them already in 2013 but I think they couldn't be edited from within the Incubator and that non-staff's course couldn't have Tips and Notes.
(**) for example, if you worked on FR for ES speakers, you'd have the tree from FR for EN speakers, for example
Yes, I seem to remember that too, although it was at least 4 years ago that I started using Duolingo in French.
And the courses may have been initially set up by staff, but a lot of the original sentences were lifted straight off the Internet. In beta testing, I would come across some howler of a stock phrase or translation, Google it, and as often as not, would find the original context of the phrase in all its glory.
«Nous sommes venus dans les cris» is still my favourite, showing just how random the process was, unless Duo's paid for services were to have a darker side to it. Happy days!
i have a friend that lives 3hrs away and it wont even let me chat with her and she cant chat with me either. it is crazy i hope that they fix this soon duolingo before they took it away though was a disaster it told me Melody Suni you are all alone add some friends to chat. has any one else had that problem?
I felt helpless in the beginning when the button disappeared right before my eyes. Simply not working stream would more obviously mean temporary technical problems, but its absence in the bar meant that it was not supposed to work. This is why some people even get a feeling that they are being punished for doing something wrong.
Neither can I contact anyone for whom I have no alternative ways of communication.
Maybe try to find your friend somewhere in these forums. Or if you two follow each other, she still can read short text in your profile.