https://www.duolingo.com/RyanLanding

JAPANESE IS FINALLY IN THE INCUBATOR

Finally I can stop hearing people complain about how much Duolingo sucks because they don't offer Japanese.

But I mean I'm also super excited because I've been waiting for this course for years ;)

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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Typical: I've been checking the incubator page every day for months; the one day I don't check, they add Japanese.

Many congratulations to Duolingo on the refreshing change of adding a course that lots of users actually want, however. I do hope this trend continues.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/centime
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Estimated Completion Date: May 15, 2017

https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/ja/en/status

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gengo9
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Wow. A day before my birthday, although I expect it to be postponed. I'm from Japan, so I don't need it. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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That is my birthday, but I'll be totally amazed if the course is ready by then. It would to a totally great language to learn, but those languages I'm working on now are also cool, and I won't be ready to start something new in May. Maybe someday . . .

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RyanLanding

I agree, it would be amazing if it were released this May, but considering it just reached the incubator around four to five hours ago, I find it highly unlikely. Fingers crossed though!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaxJiang3
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I feel like they've already been working on it behind-the-scenes though, considering that according to the progress meter it's already half-way to beta, so a launch in May is definitely possible.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OrangeFruit
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The progress meter is almost certainly inaccurate for this course, but they have stated that they have a large portion of the course planned out on a spreadsheet.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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That's probably an autogenerated date that's not accurate; I highly doubt they could put the course together that quickly.

Update: apparently that is manual, but they don't have that many words in the course so not sure how that's gonna happen that quickly?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IG88
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Great, just hope it doesn't get stalled indefinitely like some of the other courses.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HooSteveK
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Are you like me, waiting for Hindi, which has been at the same percentage for maybe six or eight months now? :0

1 year ago

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There are several that seem to have been stuck for awhile. Hindi is interesting and I might like to try it out one day, but I'm more interested in Klingon and Korean.

1 year ago

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At least Korean is moving up a percentage point or two every week or so, which is another course that I'm looking forward to trying (I've had a heavy dose of work from Korea in my last three jobs, including my current one).

Because I don't know any Klingons, I'm a bit less interested in that and haven't paid attention ... hahaha!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
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It has staff.. so...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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Are there actual Duolingo staff hired for this one? We haven't had an in-house language since the original five, right? This would be amaaaaaaaaaziiiiiiiiiiiing

1 year ago

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on the team, yes

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Already announced here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/20645538


Edit: The above earlier post is well worth checking out, as it has interesting info from the course contributors themselves (for example: see comments by moeka518) and staff.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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lol so now the characters aren't a problem anymore?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vytah
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Everything is a problem until it's solved. So I guess they solved it? It took them a while.

Maybe, just maybe, it's related to their new backend? http://making.duolingo.com/rewriting-duolingos-engine-in-scala

1 year ago

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well I never understood why was it a problem in the first place as there is already English for Japanese speakers

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ashiplo
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English only has one alphabet with 26 letters, and your typical Japanese person already knows all of them.

Japanese has three different scripts, often all used within the same sentence, just one of which includes ~2000 unique characters needed just to read a newspaper. This makes creating the Japanese-for-English-Speakers course a unique challenge both in terms of programming and teaching.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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The English-for-Japanese course presumably has translation questions going in both directions with multiple correct solutions, as will the Japanese-for-English course, so what, quite, is the difference in the programming required between the two?

I quite appreciate that the complexity of the Japan writing system might well present difficulties in how to structure a Japanese-for-English course, but this is a pedagogic problem, not a technical one; so far as a computer is concerned, every Japanese character is just a predefined Unicode point, just like every Latin character.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Have you seen this thread? https://www.duolingo.com/comment/7862207 The first comment from Kippis maps out the issues. I think they're essentially more about Duo's recordkeeping than anything. The English for Japanese course is teaching English words. All Duo's internal algorithms about word strength, etc are tied to English words. No problem (well, ok, plenty of problems, as detailed, but smaller). But the English for Japanese course is (well at least was) held together with duct tape and kludges: "every single hiragana, katakana or kanji [treated] as an independent word." I think that's the problem right there. I guess in the intervening year the programmers have gotten the software infrastructure in place — treating Japanese words as words? — at long last.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MauriceDun
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My thoughts exxactly.

1 year ago

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Good, especially when I might will be moving to Japan later this year. This course will be very important for me. I hope they won't postpone it, rather finish it before that date.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alternia
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I've been waiting for this course to get added for about 900 days now. Originally, I was planning on Duolingo when it got added, but I'm glad I joined sooner. I probably know more than whats in the course now, but I'm still looking forward to this.

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https://www.duolingo.com/neio75
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Never mind because you will be hearing people complain about how much Duolingo sucks cause they don't offer Chinese, Latin, Icelandic or Finnish ;)

1 year ago
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