America first, Esperantoland second!
After the government of an almost non-existing country (Netherland) payed billions of dollars to make this video:
We have to answer with anger and all our pride:
Post kiam la registaro de preskaŭ ne-ekzistanta ŝtato (Nederlando) pagis miliardoj da dolaroj por fari tiun videon:
Ni devas respondi kun kolero kaj kun nia tuta fiero:
Bonega laboro de la brila internacia teamo (rigardu la priskribon de la video ĉe Youtube). Mi ĝojegis rigardi ilian kreativecon kaj konversaciojn ĉe Telegramo dum la farado de tiu filmeto (mi mem fakte faris nenion).
Trump is putting his home country and its people first. There's nothing wrong with that. Esperanto is meant to remove barriers between people, not promote globalist garbage.
Esperanto is meant to remove barriers between people, not promote globalist garbage.
I couldn't have said any better. I thank you.
Globalisation (financial imperial focus) was American/British initiative. We all have to live with it now. You couldn't have said any better. Thank you.
PS. World population was steady <<1B until ~1750. Then the industrial rePolution globalised the imperialism and by 2050 estim. 9.7B, ie. ~3.4% native English speakers
Some aspects of globalization are good, other aspects are bad. You are literally the first person I've ever seen (online and in real life) to view the Industrial Revolution in a negative light. It wasn't just about Pollution, it wasn't also about assembly lines, increased production, urbanization, public education, technology, higher standards of living due to advancing technology, and etc.
And I don't understand why you mentioned that statistic inside your post script. I like to predict the future based on what will probably happen, not on what I want to happen. Even if native english speakers decline, it is likely that some other natural language would supplant them. I am a native English speaker, but I really don't care if English thrives or it falls. English can live or it can die. It doesn't matter to me.
No native language will/should die. They are related to the culture of the people. Like Mathematicians (a classless, stateless society) have their communication language that lasted longer than any imperial language. Imagine writing Maths in native languages. Knowledge sharing would be crippled and regressed.
rePollution is my holistic philosophy hypothesis. We would have come to the same discoveries with a different pace (maybe sooner, nobody knows - we are destructive society), without the breakneck race to make us better slaves to the ruling class.
I enjoy the wisdom of the indigenous Americans.
1) We do not own the land; the land owns us. How many can be that intelligent?
2). Before we had plenty of clean water, food, and sex at the end of the day… How can you improve on that?
PS. I'm only happier due to accumulated knowledge/wisdom. Life quality was better 35 years ago. You can be assured by the largest majority of the Yugoslav population. Yugoslav passport was the most valued - free to go anywhere. Tito was the most respected leader with the most top leaders coming to his funeral in the history.
The wisdom of the people who scalped people and who were 1000 years behind the times? The people who created the most bloated and needlessly difficult language? (Navajo)
"We do not own the land; the land owns us. How many can be that intelligent?"
Trolling isn't funny.
" Before we had plenty of clean water, food, and sex at the end of the day… How can you improve on that?"
How about dying as soon as you catch a common cold? How about killing homosexuals?
The world has made progress - it's the socially progressive populace that will ultimately be the fall of modern society.
Everyone who believes this 'life was better' crap really should take a long walk through an old cemetary and read the headstones. Hey look... almost everyone was dead by 30 and most didn't make it through childhood. Now just remember that most actually were stillborn or died so young that they never even made it to the cemetary but rather were burried under some tree in the back yard. These dead young people you see in the cemetary... those were the lucky ones.
If you really want to know what life was like for pretty much everyone before the industrial revolution... go to a third world country where nearly everyone is inflicted with disease and poverty.
Don't get me wrong, of course modern life has it's problems and we should always strive to do better. Striving to undo the insustrial revolution though... that is moving in the wrong direction!
The major progress was triggered not by industrial revolution but Knowledge Exchange that resumed during the Renaissance (after the dark ages when the Roman Empire failed). The Industrial means that the machine automation dictates the speed of Human Exploitation.
Of course there is absolute progress, but relatively, compared to the exponential tech progress, humans have lost their real freedom for the 'freedom of speech' to the money/power grab.
Now we can live longer as gladiators. However, the emperors frequently give us thumbs down. Millions of children die in oppressed areas. Have you visited their graves?
The main problem is ignorance, system justification, or translated - Lack of Holistic Knowledge.
The solution is outside of the current System that Creates the Problems for its own advantage.
The wheel is turning, and BRICKS countries are taking over the imbalance. Unfortunately, the real power - The Non-Aligned Movement was brutally suppressed by the emperor's bullies.
"Millions of children die in oppressed areas. Have you visited their graves?"
No but I would far prefer to extend the benefits of a first world modern society to their still living peers than to pull the rest of us back down to that level.
"The main problem is ignorance, system justification, or translated - Lack of Holistic Knowledge."
And what dare I ask is "Holistic Knowledge" and how would it alleviate the remaining suffering in the world?
A modern understanding of germ theory, vaccines, crop breeding, sustainable farming practices, science and engineering.... That is the knowledge the world truly needs.
If you don't want to understand, I'm not coming down. I'll continue spending my energy with more Holistic (System) Thinkers. Let's agree to disagree and close this monolog.
Do you have another link for the first video? It got taken down for copyright
How naïve are people to think a president shouldn't put his country first? You're supposed to take care of your people. Has this thought been lost on society?
If you walk into a party and yell very loudly: "I'm only looking out for number one". Do people also think "that's OK, shouldn't a person put himself first?", or do they think "what an arrogant ass, I wouldn't want to be his friend".
Well to Trump's defense, he was speaking to the people of the United States of America. I don't think he was intending to look like an arrogant ass to other countries. I love the speech though! It was great (as were all the parodies of it -those were all really funny).
Burning Rome may have been good inspiration for poetry (for Nero). Question is: was it worth it? :)
So, are you implying that America is "Burning Rome"? I'm actually positive about Trump's presidency (even though I didn't vote for him).
Nero, at least the Nero of Tacitus, seems a fine fit to the behavior of our dear leader. At least Trump does not make us listen to his singing, I will give him that.
Quite and fall back in the thought line otherwise you might be down voted.
You really need to read some history before you start comparing Nero to Trump. What has Trump done to destroy America so far? Nothing!
Pathetic. You think of yourself as smarter or above than random people you don't know because of a difference in political opinion. Please, spare me the wrath of your ego. Also the down voting of every comment is extremely childish.
OH NO! How will I handle child like behavior from someone who looks like they're 40.
Grow up, man.
Trump is putting his home country and its people first. There's nothing wrong with that.
Not comparable. Nations all look after themselves first. Some say it others don't. It's amazing how many people are surprised by this. They need to pull the heads out of the sand. Do you really think Merkel cares about how Chad is doing? Please. .
No. Nations do cooperate quite commonly (in fact all the time), and help one another out. Even the US (at least till now) did quite a bit of helping helping out and cooperating and coordinating. And yes, Merkel does worry about Chad. Because she is a sane person and realizes that the world is incredibly interdependent and interconnected, and also, because she is a human being with emotions.
It is exactly like my example. Why do you think Trump's popularity is below foot fungus in say Germany (since we're talking about Trump).
Anyway, it's getting a bit off topic ...
You can't be serious. Merkel is sane? Lol
Let's just agree to disagree.
What about Putin? Do you think he cares about how well of Vietnam is or Tibet? No! His job is to look after Russia. This is life. This is the sad reality.
Seems like you're taking this phrase out of context. People aren't mocking him because they think a president taking care of his people is a bad thing. They're mocking him because he is a horrible man who has put bigots and white nationalists in positions of power who wants to do dangerous things and they're using this phrase as an opportunity to do that.
Name the white nationalists that he has put into power.
Answer= You can't. And Jeff Sessions is NOT a white nationalist.
If President Trump was a true white nationalist, then why did he appoint an African American (Ben Carson) as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and an Asian-American (Elaine Chao) as Secretary of Transportation? Or an Indian-American as the Ambassador to the United Nations? He is clearly NOT a white nationalist. But you wouldn't know that if the only thing that you read is fake news.
P.S.: How to use 'bigot':
✅ Trump is a bigot because he refuses to listen to others' opinions.
❌ Trump is a bigot because he is enacting policies that I don't like.
You are incorrectly using the word bigot. To scorn someone just because they aren't doing stuff that YOU like, is to be bigot in of itself because you are refusing to listen to THEIR opinions. If anything you are, by definition, the real bigot.
I'm sorry, did you mean to say "quiet" instead of "quite"? Also, I am not afraid to be down-voted. The first amendment gives me the right to say whatever I want! We don't have the first amendment to talk about the weather, we have it to say controversial things! Whether the anti-free speech liberals like it or not! This crap where they rioted and burned down that college campus to stop Milo from speaking will not be tolerated.
I think this is international forum, so some Ethics/Respect amendments are desirable.
This is just a fact: USa bombarded Radio Television of Serbia and other radio and electrical installations throughout the country. Killed 16 civil professionals. Is that in the 1st amendment?
It is not my job to defend my government if it does something I disagree with. Sorry berberu, but I'm not taking the bait. You will NOT trick me into defending something that I disagree with.
I am merely stating that I enjoy the rights that I have as a citizen. You took it out of context. I never said that I approve of that thing that you mentioned, but you assumed that I did simply because I am pro-America. Pro-America does not mean pro-intervention (because they ARE different). And there is nothing wrong with being proud of one's country, even if it occasionally does stuff that one disagrees with. And if you don't understand that, then you should take some time to understand it.
If anything, the "America first" policy encourages the United States to mind its own business because it won't be prioritizing other countries' affairs over its own. That is a good thing.
America has never prioritized other countries interests above its own, its blatently aggressive foreign policies over the last sixty years have been predicated on shaping the world according to American ideologies and business interests - starting wars, toppling governments, supporting rebels, imposing trade deals and tarriffs and 8 times out of 10 bullying the rest of the world via money or guns- an attitude that in part has led to the widespread distrust and dislike of America and Americans in huge swathes of the world.
Nothing wrong with being patriotic unless it closes your eyes and minds to evidence and the ability to see from other people's perspective.
As for the right to free speech, you can say what you like but nothing says anyone has to listen, or not laugh at you or call you on your bull***t.
Trump is a hypocrite, a liar, a criminal a bully and an economic disaster who is in fact trampling all over your much vaunted constitution and democracy and is currently the person most likely to start world war three.
Most people in America and around the world can see that.
its [America's] blatently aggressive foreign policies over the last sixty years have been predicated on shaping the world according to American ideologies and business interests
You clearly didn't read my post. Let me say it again just for you: IT IS NOT MY JOB TO DEFEND MY GOVERNMENT IF IT DOES SOMETHING I DISAGREE WITH. You clearly want to argue with me. Go argue with someone else, Iona Sky.
Nothing wrong with being patriotic unless it closes your eyes and minds to evidence and the ability to see from other people's perspective.
I see everyone's perspective. And I listen to everyone regardless of what they believe or who they are.
As for the right to free speech, you can say what you like but nothing says anyone has to listen, or not laugh at you or call you on your **.
I already know that. If YOU don't want to listen to me, then you can leave. I don't care if you don't want to listen to me, but I will gladly listen to EVERYONE because I am VERY open-minded.
Trump is a hypocrite, a liar, a criminal, a bully, and an economic disaster...
I don't have to defend a d*mn word that Trump says. Go argue with someone else. For the record though, Trump is clearly an economic success! The man has $3.5 billion dollars in the bank and about 500 entities! How could any reasonable person possibly call him as you said "an economic disaster"?
...who is in fact trampling all over your much vaunted constitution and democracy
Name how President Trump is trampling the American Constitution. Answer: You Can't. You wanna know why??? It's because he is following the Constitution, exactly as it is written. You don't have any evidence that he is violating the Constitution.
and is currently the person most likely to start world war three. Most people in America and around the world can see that.
You don't have any evidence whatsoever that he is likely to start WW3. Trump has been getting along with all of the world's leaders just fine. You are overreacting.
And this is yet another reason why I am NOT an Esperantist. Although the language itself is politically neutral, the people who speak it are not. Virtually all Esperantists are left-wingers. Thus, a supposedly neutral community is actually a biased, bigoted, left-winged community. Esperanto's supposed political neutrality is a lie. Right-wingers like myself are clearly NOT welcomed into the community, as you and berberu have just demonstrated.
Trump is a populist, and he says whatever comes to his head. And his supporters believe him at his word. You won't convince them that it's not true even if you would actually point to evidence. Even if Trump would be impeached by the republican congress, his supporters wouldn't believe that he broke the law, because he'd say it was all fake and unfair to him.
What I do find funny is that I also have some friends on the far left as well, and they also supported Trump over Hillary. (They first supported Bernie.) That's really because Trump's not a conservative, he's a populist.
Crime - action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.
Trump will help to Make the World Great Again - United!
Leaving aside moral issues such as if murder and rape is not technically illegal you can be a criminal, which is a question for the legal morals and ethics courses. A quick look at the rules on treating wiht and benefiting from other international powers will find Trump in breach of multiple laws. Not paying taxes is also illegal- ask Al Capone.
The issue of his business acumen - well he knows how to run businesses into bankruptcy and has done so several times, he is destroying America's export businesses as we speak but since he is able to fleece millions, possibly billions of taxpayers dollars for his own benefits, maybe he is smarter than he appears. But since the the only people who will benefit are him, his family and his cronies I am not sure its what you want in your leader.
America 1st The Whole Word interprets as Hypocrite Bully. I'm not tricking you, just opening your eyes. It also unites the whole world to wake up and stop the bully.
Defending that shows your System Justification, and Nationalism is never a good idea. Since we are talking about your representative you should take long time to think what do you stand for in life.
Being proud of anything is natural emotion. We should understand that others have their pride too. If you are proud that your country is the best and smartest, everybody else can be proud that their country is the best and smartest. Yugoslavia was the best and Australia is the best... Are you happy now, or should I have kept it to myself?
Country/Nation is a recent phenomenon and mostly used to divide and conquer. Great people are not bound by countries.
"If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare me a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German, and Germany will declare that I am a Jew"
"You are assuming that I'm a nationalist "
I'm not here to stick my oar in with regard to the superiority of any ideology, but as a matter of definition I wonder what you think a nationalist is? Nationalism is a pretty broad idea. It needn't necessarily be nasty shorthand for [White] Nationalism, or [Religious] Nationalism, or anything of the kind. It seems from your comments that broadly, yes, you are a nationalist. That is not necessarily an insult, although some people may paint it that way. The fact of the matter is that a careful examination of Trump's rhetoric and positions (as far as they can be surmised) puts him fairly squarely into the nationalist camp. His uniqueness in the American political spectrum is a matter of degree, not of kind. Presumably if you support him (or even if you don't, consistent with your statements) you are a nationalist (small n) of some stripe. You can even claim to be a [Civic] Nationalist. I would argue that most US liberals do, in fact, claim this. Actually, I think almost everyone in America is a nationalist to some degree. This might be why they elected one (or 45) so easily.
"Chauvinism" is not a synonym for nationalism, as I'm sure you know, but a critique of it. Political philosophy is a long, complex story told by a lot of very smart, and sometimes very wrong people. When we tar some group as thoroughly unacceptable, they will simply retreat into a more acceptable rhetorical strategy. But we must be able to return to the political literature and identify their positions positively within the historical tradition of discourse. If we don't take the time and energy to do this, then anyone can claim to be anything which is popular. This does not insulate us from the consequences of their actions, it merely makes us blind to their context.
Every time an ideology is perceived to fail because of its usurpation by an oppressive or incompetent regime somewhere in the world, a big constituent of people has an incentive to demonize it (for their own political expediency). Every time this happens, political discussion becomes less clear, more muddled and ephemeral. Socialism was perceived to have failed in American culture largely due to its conflict with the USSR and absence of moderate socialist politics after the second world war (among other reasons). And so it became anathema to identify as a Socialist. Socialism was the religion of the "evil empire." Being a socialist in many western European countries, in contrast, is and has been an entirely different and culturally mainstream matter. Some of this is genuinely because of the ideological differences between our respective publics. However, there is almost nothing more socialist than trade-unionism, but I guarantee that most American labor union members, inasmuch as they still exist, do not and will never see themselves as socialists; not because they actually disagree with all strains of socialist political theory, but because they do not READ theory, and instead rely upon whatever the dominant cultural perception of an ideology is at the moment. There is nothing wrong with that. Living in a world were everyone is a theorist sounds like a living hell. But we should be sensitive to the mutability and insufficiency of these popular conceptualizations. The parties will rename themselves and continue their game of musical chairs.
However, I, for one, am weary of the vehemence with which everyone disavows every label which, though largely in accordance with their views according to the broader definitions of political theory, is unpopular and therefore subject to criticism. This is the very essence of political correctness.
If anyone needs to open up their eyes, it's you berberu. You are assuming that I'm a nationalist just because I like my country. There is NOTHING wrong with that.
"From this day forward, it will be America first, America first." -How is that hypocritical or bullying? It's not. Every country looks after their own first. Whenever any country conducts deals to put itself first, it always does so with the assumption that the other countries will also prioritize their own interests as well. This is why countries are willing to trade with each other. By trading, they both have something to gain because they are BOTH putting their OWN interests FIRST. Get over it berberu. That is how the world works, whether you like it or not. Free trade proves that all countries can gain by putting their own interests first.
Saying "America First" is not hypocritical because every country does the same, whether they are transparent about it or not. You're only offended because Trump had the guts to say it out loud. Screw political correctness! It is destroying free speech!
And it's not bullying either. Bullying is about abusing weaker people. Looking out for ourselves is not bullying because we are not abusing anyone. We are simply serving our best interests.
Nationalism is never a good idea.
I never said that Nationalism or Chauvinism was a good idea. You said that.
Are you happy now, or should I have kept it to myself?
I am neutral. I don't care if you openly proclaim that your country is the best. But if you want to proclaim that your country is the best, then you should have the right to do so. Free speech is the best policy.
Yes, shut down the conversation when you can't find a way to push your political agenda on a language site anymore. Good job, berberu.
You're making assumptions that he is a nationalist because he likes his country? Christ. I think you'll find if you open your eyes that most people do not want "citizens of the world". This is foolish. Most are proud of their countries and do not want to be a "citizen of the world" (a nonexistent globalist dream).
Everyone has a right to be proud of their country. You imply he's saying others can't be proud of theirs because he is proud of his yet you try to tear down him down for his pride. And being proud of your country does not make you a nationalist. It does not make you blind to its problems.
Hi AniOhevYisrael. Did you read my comment (with clear mind)?
Everybody CAN be proud. Intelligent people do not express that in an insensitive way as Trump (who is manipulating the emotions of the people).
Let's leave the topic with a sense of fun and continue learning Esperanto - mi esperas ke vi amuziĝos
We need to calm down and enjoy learning. I think we are getting a blind spot here. Let's do what this site is best for - Learning languages. You are welcome to discuss philosophy on Quora.
Freedom of speech is important, but far from substitute for a real democracy. Freedom of cooperation and respect should be much higher in the human values.
Let me praise you for what's obvious. Native English speakers are among the worst multilinguals (EU stats); you are already ahead. Keep doing what you are good at.
Let's close these monologues. -- ĝis la revido
@jirka92122 I don't know if you are referring to me (I hope you aren't), but I WILL call Trump out if he does something wrong, provided that there is sufficient evidence that he actually did something wrong. I do support him, but that doesn't mean that I blindly agree with everything that he says. I look for the TRUTH, whether it goes against my beliefs or not. If he breaks the law, then he should go to jail just like any other lawbreaker.
That said, why isn't Hillary Clinton in jail? Iona Sky is here scolding Trump for "trampling the Constitution" even though she clearly doesn't have any evidence that he violated it. On the other hand, there is clear evidence that Hillary Clinton broke the law by mishandling classified information on her illegal private email server. If anything, ionasky should thus be scolding Clinton instead of Trump. Alas, she chooses to scold Trump instead because she is wrongfully biased against him.
@ionasky You still haven't provided any evidence or any sources of him breaking the law. Furthermore, I will tell you right now that there is NO evidence that Trump has NOT been paying his taxes. After the New York Times illegally obtained his tax returns, they found that he used a loophole to legally not pay taxes for several years due to his ~$1 billion loss in 1995. Perhaps having tax loopholes in the tax code is not ideal, but what he did was legal.
Trump has had perhaps 5-10 bankruptcies. But he has roughly 500 entities! Don't you think that that is good performance for an entrepreneur who is always trying things in new fields? Most would yes (assuming that they don't have confirmation bias).
he is destroying America's export businesses as we speak but since he is able to fleece millions, possibly billions of taxpayers dollars for his own benefits,
This sentence of yours is completely ridiculous. There is absolutely no evidence that the President is using taxpayers' money for his own benefits. Stop making false accusations. Donald Trump literally has all the money he could ever want. If anything, I would argue that he is trying to America's export businesses. He still has yet to lower the corporate tax rate from 38% to 15% like he promised, but he has been President for only a month. Just be patient. Once he lowers the corporate tax rate, he will be helping businesses all across America. It will also be cheaper for businesses to continue producing in the US, thus keeping jobs available for Americans.
On the contrary to what jirka92122 has said about Trump supporters, the more common scenario is that no matter what Trump does, people still hate him. Currently people are saying "Trump is literally Hitler". About 4 months from now they will be saying "Trump is incompetent" and about 10 months from now after they have seen everything that he has done within his first year in office they will be saying "Trump is effective -but I still don't like him!". It's all a psychological cycle. No matter what Trump does, they have to think that they are right, hence they will keep continuing to justify to themselves why Trump is a bad leader, even if he is being a good leader.
EDIT: People are not downvoting me because I am wrong -they are doing it because they are afraid that I am right.
USa wanted to globalise the world for own benefits.
Can they now respect the others and let them put USa <1st?
First off why are you saying USa? And not USA? What's the political point behind this pettiness?
Second I agree the American government needs to largely mind its own business.
If you are so precise, why do you use America (the continent) for only one minor country?
Why does the usA need to interfere into the politics of other countries? Did anybody invite them in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea,...(half of the world)?
That shows pettiness of Mutual relationship and RESPECT. Looking after ALL parts of their country (not just the party) is assumed responsibility of all governments. Emphasising that shows immaturity for global relationship and a global bully.
Are we happy now?
Let's resume with RESPECT for all 1st.
America is a country. North America is a continent South America is a continent and combined they are The Americas. Get basic a geographical education.
Secondly, did you miss the part (during your rant) where I agreed with you that the USA needs to mind its own business.
Please do not insult others about lacking education if you say something so uneducated.
Google America only gave (uneducatedly):
Americas - Wikipedia, also collectively called America, encompass the totality of the continents of N/S America.
United States - Wikipedia (US of ...)
def American ... relating to the continents of America.
That's the perception of the world.