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Groups of mixed gender

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G'day! I've got a nice simple question that I can't find the answer to online or in any of my books.

Let's say you've got a group of men and women, or a group of cats and dogs. What's the correct way to refer to the group? οι/αυτοί, οι/αυτές or τα/αυτά?

Thanks in advance for any help.

2/13/2017, 9:02:29 AM

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Group of men and women=αυτοί, group of women only=αυτές. When refering to things/animals etc you use αυτά. Unless you want to say these cats and dogs, where you will have to either change them to be the same gender το γατί,το σκυλί and use αυτά τα σκυλιά και τα γατιά, or you would have to use αυτοί οι σκύλοι και αυτές οι γάτες. Please, give some examples of what you want to say, because I may have got this wrong..

2/13/2017, 9:58:52 AM

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Thank you so much again, troll.

What I prompted the question was that I was wondering if you wanted to say something like 'these men and women', how you would go about it. I guess you could write it out in full - οι αυτοί άντρες και οι αυτές γυναίκες - but I was wondering whether you could dispense with an article and a determiner, even though the two nouns are of different genders, ie, whether οι αυτοί άντρες και γυναίκες would be OK.

Similarly, I was also wondering if you referred to a group of men and women (or cats and dogs, or any collection of nouns of different genders) as 'they' - ie something like αυτοί περπατούν γρηγορά - which version of αυτός should be used.

I think you covered it though - thank you very much for the explanation!

2/13/2017, 10:35:30 AM

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οι αυτοί άντρες και οι αυτές γυναίκες

That would be αυτοί οι άντρες και αυτές οι γυναίκες.

οι αυτοί άντρες και γυναίκες

That doesn't work. When using και, both of its sides are equal, like in maths, therefore your suggestion sounds mismatched for the feminine noun.

2/13/2017, 4:54:14 PM

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Thank you D_! Yes, I thought that might have been the case but I wasn't quite sure.

2/13/2017, 6:52:43 PM

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No problem! I really enjoy these questions, the answers come so naturally to a native speaker that we can completely miss the grammar mechanisms behind them. It makes everyone think and I really like that!

2/14/2017, 12:05:29 AM

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I have a related question, though it's not from DuoLingo, it's from another source. I'm doing an activity where I'm supposed to substitute in appropriate personal pronouns. For instance, Το βιβλίο και το τετράδιο είναι στο θρανίο becomes Αυτά ειναι στο θρανίο. I'm assuming ο Γιώργος και η Μαρία becomes Αυτοί (at least that's what seems to happen in other languages - maybe it's different in Greek). What about η μητέρα και το παιδί for instance?

11/22/2017, 5:18:48 PM
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