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Dutch seems to be relatively difficult - only to me?

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Is it only my personal impression that the Dutch course has longer and more complicated phrases (as well as faster speaker's speech) than most other courses over here?

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1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/LeviPolasak

I agree 100%. I'm learning Dutch, and I'm a native Germanic language speaker (Yiddish), which should make it "easy", but I have a harder time with this than I had with English and Spanish combined!

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I'm a Yiddish native speaker too! אזא מזל

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https://www.duolingo.com/LeviPolasak

עכט? וועלכע יידיש רעדסטי? איך רעד חסדש יידיש. ביסטי חסדש אויך?

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פרום אבער נישט ממש א חסיד

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https://www.duolingo.com/WarriorCleberz
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I believe the gramatical part and Dutch spelling are difficult, Dutch was a great challenge for me at the beginning, today I can write many things. It's necessary to insist doing the lessons every day.

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https://www.duolingo.com/NathanJho_

I am a native Spanish speaker and, i have studied a bit of German and i am currently learning Dutch and, the grammar is much more simple than the German one, but the dutch pronunciation is just another thing!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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I guess it has more complicated grammar. I mean I'm a native Dutch speaker and I'm learning Spanish and compared to Dutch, I find Spanish grammar and structure very simple.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Ellephantemum

I'm a Dutch native speaker, so I haven't tried the Dutch course, but I think the most challenging thing about Dutch is that we have turned our fairly simple language into a monstrosity to commit to memory for a non-native speaker because there are so many random ways of saying things, in such a random order too, that probably make zero sense from a technical linguistic point of view. I'm currently just focusing on Polish but one of the reasons I appreciate Polish so much is because I feel they've basically cut out all the random extras which Dutch seems to have a lot of.

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https://www.duolingo.com/illexsquid
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As a native English speaker, I feel that Dutch is like English in this regard. There are many phrases--like "in this regard" for example--that have been borrowed from other languages, had their meanings changed, and then been fossilized. I suspect Dutch is the same, although while English has borrowed primarily from French and Latin, Dutch has borrowed from German and English as well, complicating matters. Dutch has maybe had some native developments too; Wiktionary says fiets is of "unknown" origin. I do appreciate the creators of this course trying to keep the Dutch beast down to a manageable size. Would have appreciated a lesson on separable verbs though.

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https://www.duolingo.com/DiMo28
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YES! 100% agree on separable verbs.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Petri502369

My husband is English. From the very first day that he past the border I teached him every day and ofcourse he went to school here in Holland. He always said to me: it sounds like jibberish, hihi. The grammar is not easy, but indeed less complicated than German. The pronunciation is still a problem sometime (after 25 years) like the Dutch word for garden=tuin. We he says it, it sounds as if he has a whole town. But yep practise every day!!!

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https://www.duolingo.com/DragonPolyglot
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Dutch has highly irregular and complex in grammar. I would consider it to be fairly complex, actually about the same as English, just different. Vietnamese and Hungarian are fairly a bit more complicated in their own right, while there are courses longer than the Dutch course that is easier for English speakers in general (Norwegian, I have heard, has one of the longest courses on this site, but the language itself is considered to be one of the easiest ones for English speakers).

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Well, I wish the Dutch course were more extensive, with more detailed explanations and more exercises, in particular about those puzzling ER / DAAR

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https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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A new tree version is coming soon!

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https://www.duolingo.com/illexsquid
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Uitstekend!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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Duolingo can only teach you so much. It was not designed to make one become fluent in a language. At best, it can teach you the basics of a language so that you can have a simple conversation with a native. Anyway, here's a very detailed, several pages long, explanation of the use of Er/Daar in Dutch, including a whole bunch of examples of its uses: http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=WordOrder.36

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Reply11 year ago

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Dank je en neemt mijn lingot ^)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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Bedankt voor de lingot!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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Also, depending on how good your Dutch is, see this article about the usage of the word "er".

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https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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Dutch only has 90 irregular verbs compared to the 500 plus of English, so I'm not finding that too much of a strain. :)

What specifically do you think makes Dutch so complex? I only find it slightly more complicated than Norwegian- one less gender, similar word order, and lots of cognates.

The verb conjugation is much more complex, but it's not too bad coming from a German background.

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I found Dutch word-order much more difficult to grasp than Norwegian, particularly in longer sentences with multiple phrasal/separable verbs (which seem to abound in Dutch). This is compounded by unclear word boundaries and the way in which whole syllables can vanish in the normal-speed version of a sentence.
And having done both the German and Dutch courses, I still felt the Dutch one to be harder, despite all the grammatical complexities of German that Dutch lacks.

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https://www.duolingo.com/HelenaGeva

Hello springenbet, Are you english? I am a Dutch person, wo lives in German. I want to learn/ refresch my English and perhaps can I help you with your Dutch..

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Thanks for the proposal, I am always ready to help! Well, my English seems to be pretty good (C1 and improving), but I am Israeli and my main tongues are Yiddish and Hebrew. I also know Russian like a native speaker since I happen to be born in Moscow, thus Ukrainian is a children game for me :). My German is also advanced (B2/C1, already teaching beginners). I am still working on my French (B2), Spanish and Czech (B1 each), Italian, Dutch and two Baltic languages (A2 each), Polish, Turkish and Ladino (A1). I am open to any cooperation!

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https://www.duolingo.com/HelenaGeva

Ik hoop dat je al een beetje Nederlands kan lezen. Het spijt mij, maar ik zoek echt iemand die de engelse taal als moedertaal heeft. Ik heb gelezen dat je moeite hebt met " er" en "daar". een voorbeeld : Wat is er gebeurd (Was ist passiert ) also im allgemeinen. .. Wat is daar gebeurd. (Was ist dort passiert) Es kann auch (rück) verweisen worüber vorher gesprochen wurde. Daar heb ik een oplossing voor (Dafür habe ich eine Lösung) Niederländisch ist nicht so einfach zu lernen, weil da viele Ausnahmen sind, die nicht immer zu begründen sind. Viel Erfolg beim lernen.

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https://www.duolingo.com/AmineHadji1
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Well, I don't think that the Dutch course is more or less difficult than any other. In fact, I think that it's pretty easy and thanks to it I can speak relatively well. Maybe it's because I live in the Netherlands...

Anyway, the Hungarian course has way longer sentences than the Dutch one and this from the beginning, as of the fast speaker, well my Dutch friends speak even faster (unless you tell them to speak slower). Good luck with it :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Scott_Wirvin_47

AGREE!!!

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