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Help translate the White House site into Spanish

For those of you interested in putting some of your Spanish skills to the test here's an opportunity to help translate the White House's website into Spanish. It's all crowd-sourced and being done independently from the White House. Check it out here: WH project.

Also, did you know that the US has more Spanish speakers than Spain and only Mexico has more than the US. Read more about that in this throwback article.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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Hi, and I'm kind of scared to say this, because you're admin, and I mean this with all possible respect, but shouldn't this be in the Spanish section of the forum?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

You mean respect instead of repespect, I assume =)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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Ha, yes, my keyboard hates me. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

That's find I do that too =)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

Hey! Yes, it should as well. There are also plenty of native and advanced Spanish learners that frequent this forum section.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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But Berniesandwich is right. According to the guidance you've given us, posts about individual languages should go in the individual language forums.

Different people have subscribed to different forums for a reason. Different people want different things from these forums. Some people are only interested to take part in the discussion forum for the particular language they're studying. Some people are willing and able to help troubleshoot problems, and some people aren't. Some people have a general interest in language learning, and Duolingo's workings, and are interested to read the discussions in the main Duolingo forum.

Everyone reading the forums ought to be able to make a choice about which things they sign up to read, and that only works if things are posted in the right place.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Frideswidey

Perhaps we should have a separate board for people who want to post exactly the same comment on every thread ad infinitum.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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People are autosubscribed to the forum for every course they take. In my case that means I am subscribed to about forty. I very much appreciate it when interesting posts go in the main forum instead of being relegated to where I don't have time to find them. Only officious people like you keep trying to tidy them away because for some mind boggling reason it seems you have nothing better to do than make a nuisance of yourself. I really hoped you would get bored and go away but that doesn't seem to happen as the last time I reacted to you was at least six months ago. PLEASE STOP! You are spamming the forums with your repeated unnecessary unhelpful BORING posts.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Happily, you can manually unsubscribe from any of them, though, including troubleshooting. What you can't unsubscribe from, regrettably, is attention-seeking people spamming every thread with identical posts.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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Even if you're not interested in Spanish, this is really interesting language news that people are translating the White House's official site into Spanish.

If you're arguing with the staff themselves about their own guidelines, you might be getting too strict about the guidelines to the detriment of people just enjoying the forums.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Maybe it's no bad thing if Kristine gets to experience the boards as the rest of us have to.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HalJam
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https://www.duolingo.com/aistobe
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Native Spanish speakers may not be subscribed to the Spanish forum since they already know the language.

Kristinemc has made the correct decision to post here.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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I would guess that what they actually read is Duolingo (general) in Spanish .

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aistobe
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That too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Are you keeping this thread tidy by copy-pasting the same 107 words with which you have bombarded the boards to two separate replies?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

This is an independent project - it is not a project created by the White House. Here's more info if you haven't clicked the project page which is hyperlinked above under 'contribute here' and under 'WH project' in the first paragraph: WhiteHouse.gov/espanol no longer exists. "In an effort to make this information available, we are translating the content of WhiteHouse.gov here." You can read about it and decide if this is interesting to you here: WH project

1 year ago

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a tad hasty, wasn't I...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

It was a good question! Needed more clarity :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

This site seems to have some bias in terms of what it reports. Accordingly, I'm not interested, and I think bringing politics to duo is a bad idea.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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If you want to host just a translation of the White House website in Spanish and nothing else, that would be awesome! For now, there is a need for a Spanish version of the White House's website. The website linked above is willing to host it, making it a valuable language resource.

As for politics on Duolingo, everything is political to somebody. When people say "Don't talk about politics", minority groups lose out. This is because dominant power groups often call minority issues political. Meanwhile, matters approved by the dominant groups are considered the non-political norm. Case in point: heterosexual marriage is not considered political. But, same sex marriage is. I'll leave that there.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
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of course, because a major part of republican (not the party, the ideology) politics is guaranteeing minority opinion protection

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

What you say is confusing b/c I thought there was no White House website. If I were to host a Spanish version of American politics, I would want to host two known partisan sites, one known to lean toward the Republicans and the other known to lean toward the Democratics. Then, people could compare the propaganda that each party puts out. Personally, I'd prefer to see a translation of the BBC website. They are much less biased b/c it's not their country.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

So my question is: who created this website, that is, the website called WH project? I think a lot of people would like to know because it may be that the creators of this website have biases. Before I myself lend my help to any project, I want to know whom I'm helping.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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You could always contact them and ask. That might be the quickest way, since they don't seem to say who they are on the website.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

The best I did at contacting them was to find out that the url of the link above (WH project) is http://whespanol.com/

This seems to be a flickr account, which is anonymous, by which I mean it offers privacy settings for the person(s) who set up the account. If anyone wants to know how to find out who hosts this account, they will have to pursue this direction. I'm satisfied that I myself will never know who is the host. By the way, if the "http" doesn't have an "s" after it (so that it looks like "https"), then it's not a secure link.

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If I were the person/people to set up whespanol.com I would keep my identity a secret as well, for safety reasons.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

So would I. However, only naive people don't look before they leap. Every person should make up his or her own mind about whether to participate.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Define Spanish-speaker. :alternative facts:

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RacismSucks

Where'd your song go?

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https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Wasn't me.

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https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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Will they also translate all the 'alternative facts' back into something resembling the reality we live in?

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https://www.duolingo.com/SoyHenry
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I am from Colombia and I speak spanish.. Do I have to speak english?

1 year ago

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I think you'll find it rather hard to translate from English if you're not reasonably competent at understanding and translating written English.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RacismSucks

The White House doesn't want Spanish on their website.

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Apparently the WH project disagrees with this administration, and thinks that speakers of other languages should have access to information about their government.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

I must respectfully disagree with you. I went to the "WH project" and read it. From everything I have seen so far, the contents of the website "WH project" support the viewpoints of the current president of the U.S. I say this as someone who watches Republican TV shows with one relative and Democratic TV shows with another relative. Both of them are extremely opinionated, and I get to hear both sides all the time, so I know the talking points of both sides.

Debo respetuosamente no estar de acuerdo con usted. Fui al "proyecto WH" y lo leí. De todo lo que he visto hasta ahora, los contenidos del sitio web "Proyecto WH" apoyan los puntos de vista del actual presidente de los EE.UU. Digo esto como alguien que mira los programas de televisión republicanos con un pariente y programas de televisión demócrata con otro pariente. Ambos son muy optimistas, y yo escucho a ambos lados todo el tiempo, así que sé los puntos de vista de ambos lados.

If people want unbiased news about the White House, then they should get their news from the BBC. If they want information about how the Executive Branch of the Government is supposed to function, they should get that information from b05aplmun.ca, at the website that she mentioned in her post above.

Si la gente quiere noticias imparciales acerca de la Casa Blanca, entonces deben recibir sus noticias de la BBC. Si quieren información sobre cómo se supone que funciona el Poder Ejecutivo del Gobierno, deben obtener esa información de b05aplmun.ca, en el sitio web que ella mencionó en su mensaje anterior.

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Well, yes, the project aims to translate the White House website, so the translation is going to reflect the views of the current president.

It's important that people can read what's published on that website, whether they agree or not. Actually, I'd argue that it's the most objectionable stuff that it's most important people should know about.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda_from_NJ

I agree. You're making a good point that people are, or should be, capable of thinking for themselves. What I find interesting is that, in the brief time I devoted to reading the WH project since this morning, the portal page has been removed. It had a translation of English into Spanish with the English references to Marco Rubio and another politician (perhaps Ted Cruz) omitted. No matter what anyone's brand of politics is, alternate facts are being bandied about here. It's possible to lie through omission or misdirection, and that's my main objection to this website. BTW, I fully expect to have this comment voted down. Although the tradition in the U.S. is to respect the "loyal opposition," arguments even for objectivity are suspect these days. I must submit, though, that I myself am uncomfortable translating writing that skillfully misdirects. However, it works the other way, too. Partisanship doesn't even have to be subtle when someone is translating. All that's needed sometimes is omission or the use of a synonym that skews the point.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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I'm as uncomfortable as you even thinking about the Trump administration's campaign of misinformation.

I can't help thinking about what happened to the British National Party, a racist political party in the U.K., when they were allowed onto Question Time, a high-profile national potitical TV program. People argued that these horrible people shouldn't be given a public platform, but they had a democratic mandate, and they were given a chance to speak. The result was that people found out what they thought and how they thought, and they lost almost all their seats on local councils at the following information.

Free speech works, broadly speaking. I want as many people as well informed as possible, and I'd rather they had the chance to find out first hand, rather than through the filter of Fox So-Called-News.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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It appears that I was sloppy in my original citation, which I will fix above It should have been: https://www.whitehouse.gov.

That will take you to the official White House site, complete with both the ideologically-slanted content of the current administration and more general information, such as the page about the executive branch of government that I accidentally cited previously.

There is no doubt that translation of the content of the website will include some material that many of us find objectionable. Nevertheless, it's important that that information be out there and accessible to people who are interested in what the president is up to, whether they want to praise or revile him for his acts and opinions and whether they expect to use it to work for him or against him.

Knowledge is power. If you want to take any action, such as, say, calling your congresspeople, it's useful to have as many windows as possible about what is going on in the world, so that you can base your opinions and your actions on fact, rather than rumor.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PERCE_NEIGE
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Since immersion is dead, we NEED more like this!

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