https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon

Unnecessary downvoting is ruining the forums

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Dear all,

When I write on this forum I am filled with apprehension at the inevitable downvotes that come. I receive downvotes when I ask for more content for the French course, which I last did today (in a thread that I have now deleted because it descended into arguing) and again six months ago.

It puts me on the defensive and sours the mood. When people say they have stopped using Duolingo for a long time but wish to use it again then people should be interested to hear why, not downvote because it has said something other than Duolingo is marvellous.

Of course, Duolingo is great, but it doesn't mean it can't be improved, especially for non-beginners in a language.

Best regards,

Eddie Sammon

1 year ago

32 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

But you need downvotes for spam. And the most helpful comments can be sorted to to the top.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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There's been quite a couple discussions about this topic, here, here, and here.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
Eddie_Sammon
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Thanks. Out of those the last proper discussion about it seems to be nine months ago. The problem is still here. Some seem to think the majority of down votes are fine, but I don't think it's the case. Of course spam and stupid posts should be downvoted, but at the moment constructive criticism is regularly downvoted and I don't think it should be if the aim is to improve Duolingo and widen its userbase.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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How do you suggest Duo should eradicate this problem?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
Eddie_Sammon
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Possible suggestions:

  1. Get rid of downvoting and rely on moderation instead
  2. Attract a more diverse userbase through more challenging content
  3. Do nothing and allow us on the Duolingo forums to simply discuss these things, as we are doing now.
1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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I completely agree. I think (although I don't know enough about coding to know if this is possible) that perhaps implementing a new voting system in which only those that have certain language levels and/or XP can use the voting function would improve the situations. Voting ability can be suspended if one has had to have disciplinary action taken against them. Just an idea. =)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Deyan161
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I don't know what the answer is, but the immediate downvoting of threads like this is a serious problem

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jack.Elliot
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I also agree

here are some LIngots

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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Thanks!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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I like the idea of 2, but for 1, do you realize how hard the mods work already? Without downvotes, if mods weren't on, then chaos would reign on the forums. For 3, it would make all of the people who want to learn languages distracted, and any young children wouldn't be able to go on because there would undoubtedly be inappropriate content.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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Yes I agree about the content. :). For 3 I don't mean get rid of modding and downvoting, what I mean by do nothing is maintain the status quo.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stripedkitty
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My hypothesis is that sanctioning writers of spam posts by blocking them from participating will go a long way to improve the spam downvotes.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

I agree Duo would get better retention by adding content in languages where they already have regular users instead of adding fringe languages. At least personally I know I'm not adding Inca but I would do an advanced German in a second. Right now I spend half of my language time outside Duo because my tree and reverse tree are gold every day and the percentage on Duo is dropping

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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I don't have a problem with fringe languages, only Klingon and any other non-serious made up languages people might be promoting. Some talk about teaching it to their child. The course should be removed. Of course, Esperanto is fine and a good addition to Duolingo.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

I don't object to fringe languages, I'm just not personally going to add any. If Duo doesn't expand German by the end of this year I will be doing all of my language learning on other sites. I'm betting there are a lot of people only interested in one language.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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I'm in the same boat with French. I've spent the last year learning from newspapers and videos. Hard to stay with Duolingo once you are at the intermediate level but I'm giving it another bash! I'm learning some words and word genders with it, so it helps!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lushberry

I only downvote things that are dumb, like people asking lingots from people for a course when they already have 1,000

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lushberry

by the way I upvoted this :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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Thanks :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lushberry

haha

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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You should also understand why you got down voted. More content is something most people want and it's something that is brought up quite frequently.

I also completely agree that more content would be nice, but I also understand why some people will downvote you for it: because of how frequently it is brought up and doesn't really add a valuable discussion since Duolingo and everybody else already are aware that those who finished their trees would like more content for those languages.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
Eddie_Sammon
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I don't agree. Topics such as "I've finished my tree" and "isn't Duolingo wonderful" are brought up every day and they are upvoted, so I don't think it is really to do with the repetitiveness of the posts. Oh and posts requesting new languages are upvoted all the time too.

Regards

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HeyItsKayliKat
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Agreed.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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thanks!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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upvote

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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Thanks!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EvelynOlson0
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Well said.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IanShales
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I upvoted this!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
Eddie_Sammon
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So I check out how this discussion is doing today and I see it is on -6 due to downvoting, which I think is more evidence that we have a problem.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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Playing devil's advocate, the down votes could be simply mean that the forum participants are tired of seeing posts about spam and down votes, or it could be that the forum participants do not think that this post contributes to language learning.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eddie_Sammon
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There's lots of posts that don't contribute to language learning which receive upvotes. Usually people just saying how happy they are with Duolingo. If they get upvotes then constructive criticism shouldn't receive downvotes. I did a forum search and couldn't find anything discussed recently on this topic. The search tool needs improving.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bacalaoist
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Duolingo should limit down-voting to a few categories: 1) discrimination, 2) bullying, and 3) dumb phrases that don't make sense.

1 year ago
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