Why do people like memrise ?
Personally i don't like it, you learn 2 words and then you go over them 50 times. Its slow and kinda boring, why do so many people like it ?
There are some settings that let you choose how many words to learn in one lesson and other stuff like that, maybe you should check them out. You can also exclude stupid words so they don't bother you. As for repetition, please let me know how can you possibly learn anything without it.
Memrise has a lot of courses and some are good and others not so much. I like Memrise, because I think it is very effective to learn. I also like the different voices. In German (official course) the sentences are more complex and useful than in Duolingo. I think that Duo and Mem work very well together. Many courses are just like flashcards and they help to remember vocabulary.
We could ask why Duolingo throws words at you that you have to order around a good 120-160 times before completing one block of a skill.
Oh wait. It doesn't. Just as Duolingo doesn't make you do 120-160 exercises for one block (15-20 is a more accurate estimate), all of which are ordering, Memrise doesn't give you two words to review 50 times (you go over the word 6 times). Here's a lingot if you notice how the math checks out.
In fact, I'd say that Duolingo is far more long and drawn out than Memrise. Fortunately, this isn't a concrete statement; it is subjective, just as your post is. However, misrepresenting Memrise by claiming that two words are displayed to you, which are then reveiwed 50 times, is simply false.
The reason people use Memrise is for a variety of reasons. Languages have to be tackled at a variety of different angles that train, either generally or exclusively, your listening, reading, writing, and speaking skills. Vocabulary just happens to be an incredibly vital aspect of a language that, just as everything else, needs to be attended to.
Perhaps people appreciate the customization; not only do you have thousands of courses to choose from, extending even beyond language, but there are official courses to choose from as well as community/individual made courses. You can choose how many words you would like to learn per session, how many you would like to review per session, how you would like to review these words, and that in itself allows for a variety of different ways to space out your learning. In fact, Memrise can't display just 2 words to you. The minimum is 3 per session.
Maybe some appreciate it as either their main way of language learning or a supplement to other forms of media, including Duolingo. You'd be surprised at how well they work together.
You have to understand that Memrise and Duolingo approach different aspects of language learning. Memrise is hard to beat as an SRS that will stack your vocabulary to the brink. Duolingo is captivating in the way that basic/intermediate grammar and sentence formation is displayed and taught. They both work great together.
Use both and round yourself out. You can't go wrong.
I enjoy its variety of courses and presentations of all the knowledge. If one doesn't like the way in which one course presents a certain type of material, chances are that there are several other courses that present the same material differently. I find it best to experiment and check around until one finds a course suited to one's preference. Happy learning
memrise is a godsend for anyone wanting to learn a foreign script. i did several alphabet courses for hebrew, korean & russian. also used it to drill the japanese kanas.
as an auditory learner, i would have gone exactly nowhere with duo's hebrew tree if it wasn't for the memrise complementary course supplying much needed audio for individual words.
instead of laddering russian i am currently doing the regular & the reverse course simultaneously, something i wouldn't be able to do if there wasn't a wonderful memrise course teaching the words from both trees.
last but not least memrise made me realize that the duo learning format kinda holds me back. i love duo, but i joined in september 2014 and only have completed one tree. whereas i joined memrise last june and already have over 11K words under my belt. not having to do the lessons in order REALLY works for me. i understand why duo doesn't work like that but i'd do much better at it if it did.
You can go through Duolingo lessons as fast as you please. Then you can go back and target the ones that interest you. I've sped through every tree I've done with the sole exception of Hungarian (which is in part an experiment just to see what not going fast feels like).
Or if you really want, you can just use direct links to the skills and bypass Duo's gatekeeping. Here's the 5th to last Swahili skill for example: https://www.duolingo.com/skill/sw/Conditional-Past Most of the links are guessable, but I'd be happy to give you any for Russian or Greek if need be.
Don't you need to
Be enrolled in the language course
Have unlocked the skill level
before you can access the lesson/skills page? It's been my experience that those two factors are a requirement. For example, when I tried to access the link you provided above, it just takes me to the skills page for the course I last took a lesson in.
Re: pt. 2 Under the old website no. Under the new one, yes, does seem to look that way. Re: pt. 1 This may have been the case.
Interesting. I learn something new every time I visit Duolingo. Thank you for the reply, piguy3.
I'm not sure which courses you are doing but I learn way more than 2 words at a time. Every course I do I can choose how much I study a word as well. And you can choose what kind of exercise you want to do.
I like the Listening Skills and the Meet the Natives feature which feature real people and real voices. I like their Speed Review which is available on the app. I like that they are actually working on making the app more useful, unlike duo that keeps dumbing down their app.
I also like the variety of courses they have. I'm not just doing languages on there and there is so much variety. There is also so much variety in quality so you do have to be careful with that.
I like that you can make your own courses so you can study exactly what you need.
My learning sessions are set to 20-word blocks and I do five a day. It's far from boring. :)
People like it because spaced repetition is by far the most effective method of learning vocabulary. As for repeating words fifty times, that's not quite accurate. Get a word correct five times in a row, and Memrise will class that word as learned. It will then test you at increasingly longer intervals on that word- the more often you get it right, the less frequently you get tested.
To see a word fifty times in a short period would mean getting it wrong over and over again.
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening for me. I'm trying out memrise, out of 124 words so far for 4 days, "la razón", "tener razón", "asqueroso" & "el genio" are actually new words it's taught me. I haven't got anyone of them wrong yet once, been hammered by constant speed reviews, the words it decides I have difficulty with are mostly a consequence of speed reviewing and their long winded description of words like eres - you're (singular, permanently), then you're faced with decoy options like estás, te (described by them as you, your, yourself (singular)) as if they TRY to confuse & trick you.
been hammered by constant speed reviews
Just don't do them. I basically never do. The standard review works just fine.
You can also ignore any words you already know, obviously especially useful as you're just starting a given Memrise course to avoid wasting time with things you already have firmly locked down.
Can you read German language well?
I have written a longer post (in German) how I use Memrise and with what user scripts I further improve the sessions, which thread I could link later.
You can improve Memrise with those pretty much - all credits to the developers who programmed them.
The "Memrise Audio Provider" plugin e.g was even THE KILLER for the www.50languages.com Portuguese (non-typing) course; it also helped for missing audio recordings for some words of the Memrise-Portuguese course, where it dynamically polls the audio from e.g GoogleTTS for the given text on-the-fly.
You also can learn on Memrise one complete course level of ~60-70 words in one big batch (if you like). The same is for reviewing 100-200 words in a single session.
There is another script where you can further "kick back" words for the next review from the standard Memrise SR interval, if you do not review your Portuguese course on a daily basis (ill, vacation, busy, etc.).
DuoLingo in contrast is IMHO more slow, as I can not remember the words quite often after a 10-20minutes learning session 8-12h/24h later.
DuoLingo throws new words on time in orange (or not highlighted) into a learning session. That is IMHO not enough for a quite effective learning?!?
How should I have learned e.g all the infinitive verb phrases without the Memrise-DuoLingo PT BR course? I would have no idea...
Neither of both will be much effective, if you compare them to a different system with a better context / story telling like www.Lingvist.com, providing real-life phrases, etc.
I just got into Memrise at the beginning of this year, and I'm loving every bit of it!
First off, there are a ton of amazing, detailed courses on Memrise.
Secondly, they aren't all just single-word courses. Some of them are very advanced, allowing you to practice complex sentences over and over again, and some offer great opportunities for developing better listening comprehension as well.
Thirdly, the courses aren't just limited to learning languages! There are so many different subjects to choose from.... arts and literature, entertainment, history and geography, math and science, memory training, professional and careers, standardized tests, the natural world, and.... trivia!
There are more courses than one could possibly ever take. I've collected every Spanish course I can get my hands on there (many of which I haven't even started yet) and I keep finding more really good ones every day!
Finally, if you want to practice often and set goals for yourself, it's good to have other people to keep you focused. That's where the leaderboard comes in.
Follow people who have the highest weekly xp totals on the site. There are also leaderboards for individual courses, so pick a couple courses each week and try to be the leader there, even if you can't on the main leaderboard! It's an immense challenge to keep up with the highest earners on Memrise every week, and you will find yourself studying and getting a lot more out of the courses than you ever would have otherwise!
Good luck, and have fun! ^_^
Duolingo and Memrise take different approaches to learning a language; each website works for some people and not for others. Personally, I find Duolingo is a better learning approach for me, but I use Memrise to review vocabulary words from time to time. Also, Memrise doesn't just offer language courses. There are many other types of courses which are not exclusive to language learning. Memrise may also offer a variety of languages that are not available on Duolingo at this point. Honestly, it just depends on which platform is better suited for your needs. If you aren't satisfied with Memrise, don't do it :D Best of luck!
You can change the amount of words you learn per session and the amount of times you review them. I prefer the mobile version because there are shorter sessions and it doesn't time you on any question. I like Memrise because it is a sh*t load of knowledge if you look for the right stuff (Please excuse my language). It is much better than looking through a dictionary of English to German or something like that... By the way, I personally don't think that spending money on Memrise pro is worth it, though I have never tried it, Memrise is perfectly fine without spending any money.
I am unaware of a setting I would describe as "chang[ing]... the amount of times you review [words]." You can choose to not review words that come up for review. You can choose to review words that haven't come up for review. Is that what you meant?
I also like the mobile version (although both sides have their advantages and drawbacks, and both provide something the other doesn't), but since you can set session lengths on both platforms, and I think the minimum is 5 on either, I don't think it's the case that app sessions are shorter, although I guess in time it depends on how well you know the words and how quick you are typing on tiny keyboards / using speech recognition in your target language.
The settings allow you to change the number of new words you learn per session (3, 5, 7, and 10) and the number of words that you review (10, 25, and 50). The number of words that you review is only for the words that are in one "lesson", for example if there are 13 words in the first circle/planet/lesson thing and you set it to review 25 words then it will review all 13 words. I hope this helps!
Hmm, maybe it was a wording thing. E.g. I have my review set to 50 words, but the number of words in a lesson trumps that. If there are less than 50 it'll just give me each word once, not keep going to reach 50 total. I think that's what happens for you, too?
Nope, 50 would be the total amount of different words that it can throw at you. If there were 300 words in one of the lesson/cirlce/things then it would review 50 of those words 1 time each.
Agreed, based on my experience with it until now (Romanian). Too much repetition of the same and simple words. Also the repeated very often occurring speed tests.
But it is a rich resource of natural language information, at least something like 100 different ones there. And nicely presented. Also usable in combination with Duolingo.
You are not required to do the Speed Reviews. That is one of the main advantages of Memrise - you can choose exactly which exercises you want to do. Also, you can add or remove words to the Difficult Words list and only review the ones you are having difficulty with.
I just checked it out. It looks nice(r) now (at least the Romanian course), with pictures and (at least for some of the words) pronunciation by native speakers (I have a paid subscription already for some years it showed, so you get then native speaker pronunciation).
But the speed review (this kind of reaction games) are still there and frequenlly offered.
I do not see a global option to switch them off. So at least they are appearing all the time and a 'Next' button is shown. You can circumvent by going to a global menu, but then you have make choices yourself instead about with which part to continue, instead of letting the Memrise program decide that for you automatically.
Whenever I am offered a speed review, I push the button on the left and choose "learn new words", it is as good as automatic since I got used to it :)
OK, I also press the button on the left. But then had the tendency to choose 'Classical review' from the 9 options in the menu offered instead. But choosing 'Learn new words' is after rethinking probably a better choice in order to progress. Thanks for that.
I forgot Difficult Words is Pro.
(Full disclosure I'm not a paying subscriber, I won a year of Pro so I sometimes forget about that.)
Even if you do not get the Pro version Memrise will still mark the words you struggle with. So when you look at the words list you can see them and either just review them that way or make your own cards for the ones you need more help with.
I'll just concur that my first go-round last summer I didn't like it much. I was focusing on Russian, and learning vocab outside the grammatical structures needed to use it seemed distinctly suboptimal.
But now I'm using it for Latin, which has a greater diversity of courses (and in which I read much more easily so I can see grammar elsewhere), and I'm liking it more. I prefer the app version (in marked contrast to Duo) because it's easier to review massive numbers of words quickly. I set it to 25 or 50 word recall bursts, which I can probably do in 5 minutes. And you can turn multiple choice exercises into active recall exercises more easily just by looking away from a smaller screen. I also like the app b/c you get through the over-long "learning" period for new words more quickly. I do wish there were a setting that wasn't "Ignore" but "I already kind of know (or easily recognize) this word, so answering 5 multiple choice questions involving it won't help me, but, yes, make me actually type it at regular intervals until I really know it."
For me, the greatest feature of Memrise is that when you see an incorrect translation or an unnatural phrase, you can push the "ignore" button and never see this item again. I wish Duolingo had this possibility too.
I like Memrise because there are so many different courses there. Something isn't right if you have to repeat the same two words fifty times.
It is much better than Dualingo where you cannot make any mistake and have to repeat this. Also the sentences used in courses on Duolingo are very stupid.
Yes! The sentences in Memrise are actually useful, while the ones Duo gives you are so random and useless
I use both beacuse they work differenty. I like memrise more than duolingo because I actually learn frases faster. In duolingo you do a lot of different frases and forget them and their vocabulary