https://www.duolingo.com/MFJaraba

Indigenous American Languages

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Hello! I know that the priority-setting for new languages is focused on other ones now, but I would absolutely love it to learn indigenous languages! I already saw that Guaraní for Spanish speakers is going on, which I find amazing :) Any more people interested in more languages? I was thinking about Mapundungún or Quechua, for example...

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany
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I am Brazilian, so I would LOVE to see Old Tupi (Tupinambá) or Modern Tupi (Nheengatu) for Portuguese speakers in Duolingo.

Tupi was the most spoken language in the current Brazilian Territory before the Portuguese arrive here (Brazil was called "Pindorama" by the native people at that time).

It also would be good to see Guarani Kaiowá for Portuguese speakers, one of the most spoken forms of Guarani in Brazil. Many words in Brazilian Portuguese come from both Tupi and Guarani, such as jaguar (jaguar), piá (boy), guri (also boy), perereca (tree frog), pipoca (popcorn), pipoco (explosion), mirim (small, children related), açu / guaçu (big).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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It would be fascinating to be able to learn more about the Tupi–Guarani languages here! Wouldn't mind if they scrubbed some of the excessive Spanish out of the existing tree, either :) Maybe once it gets of beta... if it ever does get out of beta.

Looks like Kaiowá vis à vis Paraguayan Guaraní is something akin to Danish and Swedish: maybe inter-comprehensible, sort of, if you try hard enough. It'd be really interesting to compare! Unfortunately it only has 18,000ish speakers it looks like with extremely low literacy.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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I would love to see a Nahuatl or Mayan course.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MikeNolan6

Or Navaho

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

Navaho, Navaho! Sorry, that's from a movie I watched...but, that'd be really interesting.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jack.Elliot
Jack.Elliot
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Here is an indian word adopted

http://jackelliot.over-blog.com/search/pow/

Another is

Raccoon is a loan-word taken from Powhata

http://jackelliot.over-blog.com/2017/02/the-raccoon-by-zzzzz.html

.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swingbeatnik7
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We're supposed to get around 5 'minor' languages this year, and we might see some other languages. I'm guessing because of the interest in NA languages that perhaps we will get at least one (I hope). Does anyone have the website for all the plans for this coming year? The Q&A with the co-founder of DL? Thanks. MFJaraba it'd be really cool to see one :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
scilling
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The recent Reddit AMA can be found here.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AKicsiMacska
AKicsiMacska
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It would be cool to see osage, and/or whatever language the Missouri tribe spoke

Because that is partially where i'm from :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

Cool! I suggested Cherokee 'cause I'm a quarter Cherokee....and some other Indian tribe that I can't remember. XD

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AKicsiMacska
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interesting!

Actually I'm going to be completely honest, I have no idea what tribe i'm from,

but my family history is mainly in Missouri, so I took a guess xD

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

xD That's okay. :) By the way, I love the quote you posted in the Quote Challenge.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AKicsiMacska
AKicsiMacska
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Thank you xD

you know, there's a native american language called fox! (and also one called crow)

if only there were one called cookie....

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

There is? I didn't know that...mmmm, cookies...those sound good right now...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AKicsiMacska
AKicsiMacska
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Do you like music? cause I was making a reference to a song...

and yes there are languages with those to names!

I haven't looked at crow, but fox seems to be very difficult!

the song is Right here!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

Ah, oops...yeah, I do like music. Mostly country and some pop. I also like some 80s songs (Bryan Adams, anyone? Toto? Journey?). Let's see....um....yeah. Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift (country TS), Adam Levine, Blake Shelton, etc. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AKicsiMacska
AKicsiMacska
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oh no! I HATE country music!!! haha

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

Luckily, I listen to other types. ;D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AKicsiMacska
AKicsiMacska
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haha like what?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
hughcparker
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You've ended up talking about music instead of indigenous American languages. We're all getting email notifications about your choice of music :)

Could you take your conversation to your activity streams?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

What about Cherokee or another Native American Indian language? That would be really cool. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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Doesn't "Native American" refer to all the indigenous people of the Americas?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
piguy3
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It's not really used in Canada to refer to the groups living there... for obvious enough reasons, so in a way the answer is no I suppose, even apart from the fact that I'm sure just about nobody in the U.S. is thinking of the Mapuches or the Guaranis when hearing or using the term.

It looks like dictionaries differ on the point. Here's one take: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/native-american

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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Huh, I had always thought of it as a replacement for "Indian" because of that word's plentiful faults. Given that our current National borders have nothing to do with any of the First Nations' cultural divides it seems a little silly to categorize them that way, but having a North South America divide makes some amount of sense.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/L.Duke

....well...yeah, I guess so?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/susanstory
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In Canada, the government calls them "First Nations".

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Der-Michael

Or simply "Aboriginals".

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MFJaraba
MFJaraba
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So nice to have feedback on that :) maybe we could connect interested ones and already existing groups under this platform? In case anyone knows more...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IsakNygren1
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I'm actually surprised that Guaraní came here before Quechua. I don't know so much about native languages of America, but isn't Qechua a more widely used language than let say Guaraní? I would like to see as many languages as possible here on DL. But it would be interesting to have Mayan here to be one of the first native languages from America, after Guaraní.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany
vegjjany
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If Quechua were only one language, it would be a language more spoken than Guarani, by a small margin. But in fact, Quechua is a very diverse group of languages, making Guarani more spoken than any Quechuan language (even though some Guarani varieties can be different enough to be considered distinct languages, and Guarani is anyway also very diverse, not like the Quechua group is, but it is).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IsakNygren1
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Thank you for the information!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Here's a good video on Quechua if you haven't seen it:

Here's a bit more on the divisions between the Quechuan varieties.

I'm sure there are many people with the linguistic knowledge to construct a Quechua/Spanish course. However, I think the bi-lingual + fully bi-literate situation is probably better for Guaraní (so even outside the Peace Corps factor, one can posit reasons it would have come first just based on number of potential volunteer contributors). It's probably not inaccurate to say that Guaraní is a mostly-spoken language, too. But there is definitely literature (some info in Spanish), including words by quite notable recent cultural figures. And since even non-indigenous people in Paraguay speak Guaraní (a very unique situation in the Americas), books etc. published in it can much more broadly inform the national consciousness than can things written in Quechua (in any of its varieties). Hopefully the decline of Quechua can be reversed! Maybe one day it can attain the cultural role in Peru, Ecuador, etc that Guaraní has in Paraguay (even if that really isn't exactly one of equality with Spanish).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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The Duolingo staff and moderators have asked us to keep to only a single post for each language that's suggested, to keep the forums manageable. Have a look at this post about how to suggest a language course: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/15014194.

All of the languages you've mentioned have already been suggested and added to that page. If you want to add your upvote to the calls to add those courses to Duolingo, that's where to do so.

[edit] Cherokee and Navaho are both also on there.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MFJaraba
MFJaraba
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Thank you Hugh, I'm gonna vote right away! :) Nevertheless, I opened this discussion to have a general talk about it and maybe get some recommendations for other language courses, too!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Which you have every right to do. This clearly wasn't a generic language request thread. Chilotin has mentioned starting a Mapundungun mini-course in the forums. Unfortunately, I don't think the language is doing all that much better vitality-wise than most North American languages. In a way I wouldn't be surprised to see Quechua as the second Americas language on Duo just because of the much larger number of speakers, from among whom a vaunted handful might arise with the wherewithal to construct a course.

The lack of attention to the Guaraní course on the part of its creators leaves something of a sore taste in my mouth, but that I'm sure mostly has to do with them being paid by Peace Corps for the effort, and Peace Corps presumably not realizing that just building the course is only the beginning. It actually has to be maintained and all the many errors/omissions ameliorated (oh, and learner questions answered in the discussions! but now I'm just asking for unicorns). And now with the sentences tab off, there's no way for even the handful of Guaraní speakers on Duo to help answer questions in any straightforward manner. And that handful is from a population of millions of bilinguals, something most American languages certainly don't have. So whoever steps up and is accepted in this task will have a lot of work to do. Not only will they have to build the course but be pretty much the only ones to answer the stream of questions that are inevitable learning languages with very different grammatical structures.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelinaBria

earthling scum

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