The end of a long road!
Finally, after 294 days and 30007 XP, I've made it to level 25 in French. It is a good sense of achievement to have stuck with it and completed a personal goal. Self motivation was difficult at certain stages, I will admit. I am posting this to encourage others to follow through and achieve their goals too - it can be done :)
Thanks to the community at large and those who have helped along the way.
Time to set a new goal! :)
heh, you're right! I like to concentrate on one at a time, hence the lack of other languages yet. Not sure my brain could handle them all at once, so you are certainly doing well! :)
Congrats Jason! It surely is inspiring. I read in one of your earlier comments that you also use Memrise. Can you take some time and put in your thoughts on using Memrise and how it is different than Duo? Thanks already.
Thanks for the congrats :)
I try and use as many different tools / apps as possible in learning. Duo and Memrise are but two. Both are excellent in their own ways. I've always preferred Duo for the most part as it is a better tool for learning language structure. Memrise, as others have noted elsewhere, is good for building vocabulary. It also has a lot of native french speaking video / voices which helps greatly (for me) with listening skills. The listening activities on Duo have often frustrated me! Memrise seems very strict on the answers you can give - it must match the previously provided example no matter what. Duo is great in that you can translate an answer in many different ways (as in real life) and still be marked correct. Memrise lets you translate an answer one way only, using set words. I guess, in the end, don't just rely on one. Duo is great but other sources will also help you immensely. Try both, plus others :)
Books (including old language text books), language CDs, other learning tools (like Lingvist - though not too keen on that one), etc. Pretty much anything helps. I did a course years ago with the Alliance Francaise which was good, too.
Tres bien JasonGreen534670!
I've just picked up my French again (after being almost fluent about 20 years ago in college) so I am encouraged by your results. I'm hoping it will help me with my work as I am in a new job where I need to visit France and speak with French colleagues (though they all speak English! Ha!).
good job :) how confident do you feel in french now that youve finished it?
Well, a lot more than when I started ;)
Duo is great, but can't take you all the way. I also use Memrise, which I find more helpful with regards to listening skills. Overall I feel pretty confident reading and writing. Speaking is, along with listening, the most difficult aspect - I still need to think before I speak (which is never a bad thing).
In the end, learning a language is a continual process. At least we're all giving it a shot!
Oh yay! Now I know it will approximately take 300 days to achieve it... Congrats, and well done for doing it all in one streak too! I stated 49 days ago, had a 46 day streak... and missed a day, I keep on kicking myself for it! Anyways, I have done half of my tree and am able to have a basic conversation, so I'm hopeful that by the end of it I will be more or less fluent... I am also using a lot of other leaning tools of course. How fluent would you say you are now? How often do you practice French (I mean listening etc)?
Thanks for the congratulations :) Yes, it took me 294 days start to finish but I could have finished it sooner with more application. In the end, though, it is not a race to the finish. The trick is learning as much as you can along the journey. I wouldn't profess to be totally fluent. As I mentioned previously, Duo can't get you there by itself. I do practice every day - reading, writing and listening. However, it is not total immersion unfortunately. That's the ultimate way to learn. I do what I can each day to get myself to fluency. There's only so much you can do when you are the only one around you learning/speaking the language though :) Then it becomes all about self motivation.
Congratulations! How are your speaking and listening skills? My pronunciation is terrible and je parle francais comme une vache espagnole. My listening skill is also terrible. Can't understand a word people say :-(
Well, I like Spanish cows, heh. I'm certainly not 100% on either, but I'm still trying every day. Repetition is the key, no matter how boring it may seem. Keep up the practice and you'll get there (as I hope I will one day!)
Thankyou! Also, thanks for the Slow News tip - I'd not heard of it before
Thanks! It certainly does take a lot of time and effort. Unfortunately, repetitiveness is one of the main keys to learning a language. Once you get past the thought of the repetition, everything starts to stick in your mind more and more each time until you just know it.
It is a long road, but the journey is worth it. You'll get there! :)
Great job! I will agree on your one point about at some points it is hard to keep that self-motivation. Great job on pushing through though. I have started my French back up in the past couple of days. I am surprised it only took you 294 days. Good Job!
Thanks! Towards the end I set myself a goal of under 300 days. Early on it was slow going, but I got better towards the end stage.
Congratulations! This is quite an achievement!
But what's an XP point? I think I have only levels, lingots and percentages of fluency. Incidentally, how are percentages of fluency related to levels? I generally have the same levels of French and Spanish, but about 10% higher fluency in French (which I do know better).
Reg. discussion of oral skills in this thread, I joined mostly for the sake of oral comprehension, since I find that reading books helps build vocabulary the best, and once I click on "check" to move to the next phrase, I always take my eyes off the screen to listen, then type a translation if I can, and only then look at the phrase in the target language on the screen to check myself. If I translated it wrong or didn't get it, I click on the icon to hear it again, occasionally even more than once till I hear it clearly.
But for speaking, I find that writing diary entries in the target language is the best. I do it with both French and Spanish, and I find it much easier to think in these languages now. It also helps learn the words that relate to one's regular activities and topics of interest, as well as make tense usage and formation automatic.
The diary entries are a good idea. I don't think I could put together good enough sentences and would probably end up being one line like 'Aujourd'hui j'ai mangé du poulet. Bonne nuit' lol how sad. But yea, I might try that.
Thanks! You get XP, usually 10 per lesson depending on what you are doing, which add up towards attaining a new level. XP for each level:
1 - 0, 2 - 60, 3 - 120, 4 - 200, 5 - 300, 6 - 450, 7 - 750, 8 - 1,125, 9 - 1,650, 10 - 2,250, 11 - 3,000, 12 - 3,900, 13 - 4,900, 14 - 6,000, 15 - 7,500, 16 - 9,000, 17 - 10,500, 18 - 12,000, 19 - 13,500, 20 - 15,000, 21 - 17,000, 22 - 19,000, 23 - 22,500, 24 - 26,000, 25 - 30,000
"What are skill points, or XP?
When you learn on Duolingo, you earn points, and we call them experience points, or XP for short.
You earn XP any time you perform a task that improves your language skills. These tasks include finishing a lesson, practicing skills that are no longer golden, translating sentences, and rating others’ translations."
" What does my Fluency Score mean?
Fluency measures your mastery of the vocabulary and grammar of a language and your ability to understand and produce the language.
Duolingo estimates your fluency based on your progress through the skill tree and the accuracy of your answers. Because learning a language requires repetition, we also take into account how regularly you practice. Without continued practice, your fluency score will decline, based on our model of how the human brain forgets over time.
With Duolingo, you can achieve a fluency as high as 50-60%. Keep in mind that the Duolingo fluency score is solely based on your Duolingo activity, and does not take into account any external activities you may engage in to improve your foreign language skills."
Hope that helps :)
Good idea with the diary, but as EndieCee wrote, I've never been good with diaries :)
Hello there, Congratulations. How many hours did you learn French per day? I am only on level 4. I am motivated because my daughter is in French immersion school and i would like to help and support her.
Thankyou! I tried to set aside an hour each day, though somedays it was more than that - depending on what else I had to do! Somedays it was a lot less - 10 minutes or so - but even a little each day helps. The trick is to do at least something each day. That's where the streak feature kept me motivated.