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Please Duolingo, decide if you want these kind of sentences to be translated as a present perfect (He/She/It has done) or as a passive voice (He/She/It is done). I think you shouldn't mix the things, because these lessons are for studying the present perfect (passato prossimo) in Italian, not the passive voice. Don't generate confusion please.
very true. DL has general problems to distinguish between passive voice and present/past/future perfect. The entire future perfect section is full of examples
If it were meant to be the present perfect "He/She/It has done" it would use the auxiliary verb avere, so it would be "ha fatto". However this is the passive voice using the auxiliary verb essere with the past participle (which has to agree with the subject).
Yeah, but... people... you know, in Portuguese we also say "está feito" more in the sense of "it's done", as an idiomatic espression
Could this be translated as "It has been done"? This was rejected but it looks a reasonable answer to me.
Yes, why not. 'fare' means both to do and to make. I would just say that, although possible, 'it is made' would be very uncommon in English in favour of 'it has been made'.
In English, "done" can be used in various ways as a verbal adjective:
- The hamster was eating. It is done. (It = the hamster)
- He was cooking the rice. It is done. (It = the rice)
- You asked me to feed the fish. It is done. (It = the action of feeding the fish)
Is the same true for "È fatto."? If so, could "È fatto" also be translated as "He is done."?
In case you are wondering why I don't mention passive voice and what I mean by "verbal adjective":
In Tips and notes for passato prossimo, Duolingo indicates that the past participle can be used as a verbal adjective (and as such can be declined in gender and number). The past participle can be used as an adjective in English as well, resulting in constructions with the same wording as passive voice but with a different meaning. Consider the following examples:
- "In this recipe, the rice is cooked in an oven."
- "The rice is cooked, so let's eat."
Example 1 uses passive voice and simple present tense. It could be paraphrased as "In this recipe, one cooks the rice in an oven." The simple present tense is used because the time of the action is indefinite. In example 1 the verb = "is cooked."
Example 2 uses "cooked" as a verbal adjective. This kind of adjective describes a state or quality that results from an action. In this example, the cooking occurred in the past, but the sentence is making a statement about the present condition of the rice. In example 2, the verb = "is."
The above examples show that "is cooked" can be either (A) a passive verb in present tense or (B) an active verb in present tense + a past participle acting as an adjective. The same is true for "is done." However, given the sentence "It is done." without context, most native speakers will understand "done" as a verbal adjective. With a bit of a stretch, I can produce examples using the passive voice "is done":
- "Should I go to the wedding wearing these clothes?" "It is done."
- "Should I go to the wedding wearing these clothes?" "It is not done"
Although grammatically allowed, such use of the passive voice would be atypical for a native speaker of English -- so atypical, in fact, that a native speaker might interpret the reply in example 3 to mean "The wedding has ended, so the question is irrelevant." rather than "Sometimes people wear clothes like that to a wedding." The use passive voice is perhaps more obvious in example 4, particularly if we imagine the response being said in a haughty voice.
It is the passive voice - look here: http://tutorino.ca/grammatica/2007/7/17/the-italian-passive-voice-la-voce-passiva.html
Italian use two verbs to form the present perfect (''essere'' and ''avere''). So, this sentence is not in passive voice, but in present perfect.
No, that is not correct. You might want to have a read of this: http://italian.about.com/od/verbs/a/italian-verbs-auxiliary.htm
It helps you choose the right auxiliary verb in order to form the present perfect.
Transitive verbs take ''avere'' to form the present perfect and intransitive ones take ''essere''. I just know that and it was exaclty what I was to explain to you above. So, why do you send me that link?.
Some intransitive verbs are conjugated with essere, some with avere, and some can use both
Is it possible fatto could be looked at as an adjective.
Or it's an intransitive verb with no object that needs "essere". I noticed L'ho fatto means I did it and uses avere because it has an object.
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Past participles (like fatto) do behave like adjectives (they agree in gender and number), but they are the main-verb part in constructions like:
- avere fatto (passato prossimo)
- essere fatto (diatesi passiva)
Outside of such constructions past participles can be used like normal adjectives:
- un lavoro fatto
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"It is done." Sounds like something said once the body is hidden... In the lake.... With the pesce
I keep putting 'It is done' and it keeps telling me I'm wrong. Cant move on. So annoying!
I translated "È fatto" as Ït is done"which was marked correct. However, I am confused because the Duolingo tips say that when passato prossimo is used with essere, then it must agree with the subject.. So wouldn't that be "È fatta"?
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I told you to stick it in the ground! It is in the ground! Outside! This was your idea!
I answered 'It is done' which was marked correct although my Caxton book of Italian verbs has 'Ha fatto' which would translate as 'It has done' Is there no set rule about using essere or avere just whichever makes sense ?
I was hoping to find a funny remark here about the maffia or something like that.
Many mobile phones cannot indicate accent so e' is marked as wrong & you cannot pass that point
