https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Is Hebrew language easy or not? Lets find out and create a course!

Hey everyone!

My name is Ori / Je m'appelle Ori /Mein Name ist Ori / קוראים לי אורי.

That last sentence there, was in Hebrew - my mother's tongue. Since there is no Hebrew course for English speakers on Doulingo (at the moment), I would really like to help creating one.

Why? Because Im currently learning German (moving there is a few weeks) and I find it really helpful that native speakers participate and help out everyone else. Since I believe that when you receive, you also have to give (that rhymed perfectly...) I would like to help as well and contribute the same way, in my own language.

What can YOU do? If you are also a Hebrew speaker and would like to help teach the world this very special language - please volunteer here: http://incubator.duolingo.com/apply

And if you are not a Hebrew speaker but are curious about it, please comment below, and hopefully it might convince the Doulingo team to create a course! (maybe they are working on it, I really dont know).

Thanks in advance to everyone who can help :) Ori


UPDATE (16/7/14):

Hey guys - its been four month since I applied, and still haven't got ANY response from anyone in Doulingo. I must say its pretty disappointing, but I have just sent another application and attached a link to this thread. Maybe this time someone will wake up, up there :)

Do feel free to apply (again) as well, add comments here and/or send emails to Doulingo. If I get any updates I will of course post them here.

Thanks A LOT to all those who commented and supported this idea - lets bring it to life TOGETHER :)

Ori

UPDATE (2/2/15):

So... its been more than 10 months now, and I never got a single email or response from anyone at Duolingo. This is very unfortunate, but I will keep on trying to find a way to contact them and get some kind of response. Please continue to comment, this will help this thread stay relevant.

PS - there is another thread that calls to create an ENGLISH course for Hebrew speakers (my thread is about HEBREW for English speakers). Please support and comment there as well, because it might help speed up both initiatives: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/5767688

Good luck to all of us! Ori


UPDATE (3/4/15):

SUCCESS! Seems there is now a Hebrew for English speakers Incubator, right here: http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/he/en/status

I still find it very unprofessional that Duolingo never bothered to reply my emails or update me, but hey - I guess the important thing is that now people can apply and contribute.


UPDATE (2/8/16):

I just stumbled upon a Hebrew course, just like that. Its still in Beta, but its there. Here is the incubator link so you can see the progress: https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/he/en/status and if you try and add a new course, you can see there is a Hebrew one. Best of luck to everyone!

Ori

March 11, 2014

282 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I also want to contribute to the Hebrew language course. I applied for it but I thought that there wasn't anyone else to do it, that's why it wasn't going on. I'm so happy that there are other people interested in doing the Hebrew language course! Maybe we'll have one soon!

March 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/stecchetto

Thanks for applying. I think I remember a few other people saying they were applying for Hebrew so hopefully they'll have enough people to start the course soon.

Speaking of German and Hebrew, a Yiddish course would be pretty cool too.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eyal.horow

you're level 25 in Spanish so you may be glad to hear about Ladino. It's a jewish version of spanish and like yiddish it's nowdays spoken mostly by old people. Maybe Doulingo would help to preseve these caltural treasures.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeelOfShame

Just requires enough people to be fluent enough to create it, really.

Ladino's my current passion project offline, actually, in the Add 1 Challenge (as I'm taking a break from 'serious/useful' languages at the moment). I'd love to see it here, if only to lend a hand as it's developed.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

I actually speak Ladino to an extent as my grandmother still speaks it, adding it just like Yiddish would be wonderful as it is a beautiful language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

WOW! Can you apply to make a course? And ask the other Ladino speakers you know to contribute? I've been looking around for Ladino speakers because I think Duolingo could be amazing in helping to preserve and spread knowledge of this language.

(sorry to reply 9 months later)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Filho7

As a native Spanish speaker I second this motion,preserving endangered languages could be great in Duolingo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OlgaKleine

I can speak Ladino, too, and it would be great indeed to develop a Duo course for it!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

I was thinking that Yiddish would be awesome also. I hope all this comes to be!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/blohrding

ask not what duolingo can do for you but what you can do for duolingo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luke_5.1991

After 10 years of Hebrew School, all I learned was "Sheket Bavakesha." I can't wait to learn real Hebrew with Duolingo!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/richardliantonio

Speaking as someone who is teaching themselves Hebrew at present (i've done the entire Rosetta Stone, all of Pimsleur, Anki vocab, and am now working with a easy hebrew magazine called Bereshit, all in addition to having a Masters degree in classical Hebrew), while omitting the nikkud may be more appealing to purists, I believe it will significantly limit the amount of beginners who actually use the course. As has already been noted here, Hebrew is a very different language than English. The learning curve is very high. Omitting the vowels makes the learning curve much much higher, especially at the beginning. Introducing vowel-less reading on top of having to learn a new alphabet, read in the opposite direction, engage with and produce sounds that are not present in the English language, and engage in a semantic (trilateral roots) and syntactic structure that's totally different from English — it will be that much difficult for beginners to get off the ground. For that reason, I recommend including the vowel points, at least at the beginning.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CliffJonesJr

I reluctantly agree. Including the niqqud might make the Hebrew text look more formidable, but they don't really interfere with the shapes of words, so learners wouldn't become dependent on them. They would just be a pronunciation aid, sort of like training wheels.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I hope when the time comes DL uses furigana and bopomofo to indicate Japanese and Chinese pronunciation, respectively. The principle is the same, but in the case of niqqud, there is even less chance of the pronunciation guide getting in the way.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Hey guys - its been four month since I applied, and still haven't got ANY response from anyone in Doulingo. I must say its pretty disappointing, but I have just sent another application and attached a link to this thread. Maybe this time someone will wake up, up there :)

Do feel free to apply (again) as well, add comments here and/or send emails to Doulingo. If I get any updates I will of course post them here.

Thanks A LOT to all those who commented and supported this idea - lets bring it to life TOGETHER :) Ori


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lingolangs

Thanks Ori! I'm at a mid-beginner level in Hebrew and would like to use Duolingo to help me advance!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/X19K

I applied to contribute in the incubator in creating a course. I got to know duolingo just yesterday, and can't wait to the chance to give my bit. My mother tongue is Hebrew, and as an English teacher here in Isreal I'm well acquainted with the difficulty of gaining control of a second language that is so different from your own. I also got the feeling that someone is afraid to put owr flag and our language in the list of Duolingo, and I'm sorry for that. I previousely contrubuted to the effort of translating Moodle into Hebrew. It took a very little to get into it, I dedicated some hours and some hundreds of strings are in Hebrew now because of me (Yeah!). That's fun. I would be glad to help Doulingo help my daughter and my students get to English in a nicer way.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mishegas

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your help! I'm waiting for Hebrew to become available. From my experience with Duolingo in learning French, I've found it to be the best way to learn a language. Can't wait to tackle Hebrew.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zvisofer

I applied. אני מקווה שיהיה אפשר להתחיל לעבוד על הקורס בקרוב


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Toda. How did you type with Hebrew letters on here?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

If you have an iOS Device (iPhone or iPad) or an Android Device just download the Hebrew Keyboard. Also if you have a Mac just use the keyboard switcher in the taskbar and buy a Hebrew Skin to put on the physical keyboard.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Thanks for the info. I usually use my laptop for duolingo. :-/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zvisofer

simply used the windows hebrew keyboard


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Is that an app or something I can install on my computer or an actual keyboard with Roman and Hebrew letters?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zvisofer

You can add hebrew to you Windows operating system languages. After you done so, if your physical keyboard doesn't have Hebrew characters marked in, you can open virtual keyboard of Windows. No need for any apps..


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/richardliantonio

I would be extremely interested in a Duolingo Hebrew course!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Candace0

I'm in. I would like to learn Hebrew.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thepirategore

עשינו את זה!!!!! יש עברית!!!!!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

There it is! Well done everyone! Now, please, Hebrew speakers... contribute like crazy!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shelby-gabrielle

I would absolutely love a Hebrew course! Keep all of us updated on how it is going! Best of luck to you and everyone helping!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nasaka

Great idea Ori! <3


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

Great! Thanks for the Hebrew course!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Lets hope we can create one!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/msiegs

Definitely interested in learning Hebrew!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eyal.horow

I'm sure there are already more than enough Israelis in DouLingo's data base. It just a matter of time untill they'll finish with more demanded languages. And I just want to remind also that before that X to English always comes out first.

Some of the grammical concepts of Hebrew are shared with Arabic so I think it could be helpful to see how they tackle some issues (Arabic to English speakers would probably get out of incubation long before the hebrew course)

בהצלחה!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Toda! (to non-Hebrew speakers) this means "thank you" in Hebrew, and written like this: תודה


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Beachiano

Great idea with Hebrew!!!!!! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/schmili

I would love to have a hebrew course, since I'm jewish and travel a lot to Israel. Thanks to my Bar-Mizvah I can read hebrew pretty well but I can't speak nor understand the language... However knowing the letters should make it a bit easier for me to learn :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/atznj

Hi Ori - I just applied to help out. Hope this happens!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elen-ka

I was always curious, is Hebrew difficult to learn? Can someone share their experience?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

Hebrew is pretty difficult to learn because unlike any of the Romance languages, which always have their roots in Latin and Greek, and are always connected to each other to the point that if you know one, you probably know allot of words in the other, Hebrew's closest sister language is Arabic. Perhaps it is it's only sister language. The grammar structure and verb conjugation of Arabic is almost the same as in Hebrew. You would have never guessed though, because Modern Hebrew and Modern Arabic sound completely different on the outside. As I said in some of my earlier comments, Hebrew is a language that you have to love. You have to love the uniqueness of it, the actual fact that it is hard. I think with every language you have a point where you've almost given up, when you say to yourself 'why did I ever volunteer for learning this language!' but if you are really intent on learning the language, then it goes away without leaving any harm. I think that if you really want to learn Hebrew, you should definitely do it, but if you already have doubts about it, it's likely that you will stop in the middle. Allot of immigrants from all countries enter into Ulpan, the program for learning Hebrew in Israel, and they don't learn anything. That doesn't mean that Ulpan is bad, it just means that this person that immigrated to this new country doesn't want to learn the language, that this person wasn't prepared to have to learn it! So if you want to learn it and feel motivated, then learn Hebrew! And good luck on all that are trying! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elen-ka

Thank you very much, you comment is very'very helpful!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mishegas

From the little that I know of Hebrew, I find it interesting because via knowledge of the roots of the words, you get to understand all the words formed from that root - much more so than in English or Spanish (the two languages with which I'm familiar). Plus the fact that the numbers are from the letters, making it all connected in an interesting way. I think that would keep me engaged in spite of its difficulty.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I completely agree, the Romance languages aren't based off of roots, so they aren't as interesting to learn. Like if you read something in Hebrew even though you might not know all of the words, you find that you can often guess because of the roots. It's very interesting!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

I've already given a quick recap of my experiences with Hebrew. It is here, in the discussion, just scroll up a bit. If you want to know more details, I'd be glad to answer your questions.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tallguy007

As a native speaker, I think the grammar compared to German, French and Italian and even English is a joke, the high vocabulary took tons of words from Latin/Greek/Germanic/Slavic languages, for the common daily words you might need to read a bit but still it's a very easy language. It's not like German, the first two months are hard then it's very easy. I see the Hebrew vocabulary as heavily influenced from European languages. Anybody who is comparing it with Chinese is very wrong. Ok, the letters do look different but there are only 22 of them.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

Haha- I do not compare it with Chinese at all, but you have to admit that all of the words taken from Romance language are modern words- like אוטובוס, for example- words that cannot be taken from Biblical Hebrew, obviously....


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/grubymis

That would be great! I sign the petition. זה יהיה נהדר.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mishegas

I'd also be interested in Yiddish, Hebrew and Ladino. Misha


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnnieAllen1

I am dying for something like duolingo for Hebrew. Trying to teach myself has been incredibly difficult and I would love to see this happen.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/froindlir

היי אורי! אני חושב שזאת יוזמה מדהימה! אני אשמח גם להשתתף בבניה. שלחתי לduolingo בקשה, מקווה שיענו... are there any other people who would also like to build this course?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

תודה ליר!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/froindlir

יש לך דרך איך אני יכול לעזור?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tallguy007

אני שלחתי לפני הרבה זמן, נראה לי שהם מחפשים מורים עם תואר בעברית.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ducel

I would LOVE to have Hebrew in Duolingo. I currently live in Israel and study in an Ulpan, but Duolingo would be an amazing, amazing way to practice! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shadownose453

please put a Hebrew course on Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jbdyoni

Hi, I'd like to say that I would be very much interested in this as well. Hebrew is my first language, but I have been living in Australia for more than 10 years now and I am slowly loosing my Hebrew. I would have like to help teach it here, but sadly I can barely read Hebrew these days let alone write it, although I can speak it to some extent, so I'm not sure I'd be able to contribute much. But I think this would be a great course, Duolingo seems to be very good at teaching reading and writing skills early on (from my experience with the French course so far), so I think it would greatly benefit people in every level.

Either way, I would very much like to support this! I think this is a great idea.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Keylla-

Hello! Please Duolingo create a Hebrew course, I will love it


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mazal.raha

I speak Hebrew too!! I hope there would be a new Hebrew course soon, so I can be a part of it :-) It would be odd and yet so wonderful if people from all over the world start speaking my language!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bar_an

Suddenly everyone wants to learn Hebrew. I didn't know my native language has so much demand :D. I would like to see you guys failing to conjegate verbs in Hebrew ;) ... I'm kidding, but that's probably the hardest thing in Hebrew. Well, I've just applied tofor Hebrew for English speakers course, and I will gladly help to create that course. Let's hope it will be added to the Incubator soon.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

I think the desire has been there but there aren't resources and the ones that are available don't make it easy. I would think there would be more demand for Hebrew than a lot of the other languages on here. Jewish people would want to learn for culture, religion and travel. Some Christians are curious about Hebrew for religious reasons and for traveling. I'm sure there are many that would sign up even just to learn another language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Peterhast

It is disappointing, considering you have not even heard any response... makes me wonder if it is simply not a concern for Duolingo to have Hebrew... that's too bad.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

I was informed by another user that there will be a poll this month for voting on courses to be offered. So if everyone that is showing interest votes on Hebrew or fills it in for other if it isn't listed we may get it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Peterhast

If you remember, and the poll is posted, can you come back and paste the link here. Thanks for the info, I hope so...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

You're welcome. I will definitely remember. I really want Hebrew.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

That's great!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

Great! Thank you for letting us know. We all need to promote this poll as soon as it's released so that we may get as many votes as possible.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Yeah, really that would be great. Please post more info here when you have it. Thanks!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

The poll is now here. Hebrew is on the list! The rules are each person can only vote for one language and only vote once.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3828277


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

Everyone please vote! Spread the word!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Thanks so much for posting this candentlion! Everybody vote!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

You're welcome. I'm trying my best to make sure it happens.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/noamshemesh

My girlfriend and I have applied!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/megan1505

I voted for Hebrew in the survey! I am among hundreds (if not thousands) of Duolingo users who would love to learn this beautiful language.

And a huge thanks to everyone who would be willing to work on a Hebrew course! I can only imagine how challenging it must be to create Duolingo courses--the level of passion and commitment incubators have is mind-boggling.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

UPDATE (2/2/15):

So... its been more than 10 months now, and I never got a single email or response from anyone at Duolingo. This is very unfortunate, but I will keep on trying to find a way to contact them and get some kind of response. Please continue to comment, this will help this thread stay relevant.

Good luck to all of us! Ori


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

Hopefully we'll hear some good news soon.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

You can post a link to this thread in your own thread, so people who are interested in Hebrew for English speakers can support that too. I will post yours in the description :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

Yes! There should be a Hebrew course! Hebrew's awesome! I support you, origosh! Here's a lingot!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Thank you my friend! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

Don't mention it. You're the one who started all this. You're awesome!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

I've just been informed that Yiddish is in the incubator. I can't believe this. Yiddish before Hebrew? Really? Many more people speak Hebrew than Yiddish. And Hebrew's a beautiful language! Come on, Duolingo……


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MaxPauzner

I am voting and voting for Hebrew! more than 5 times! it's not on duolingo!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

yea, they are "working on it" for ages now. Im guessing end of 2015...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

This is ridiculous, they should have had this done a while back...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ori460

Thanks, man. It's a great thing you are doing! I am also speaking hebrew.. and guess what? My name is Ori too. I'm currently studying spanish. I just found this site today, and it's very amazing site.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Hehe, nice to meet you Ori :) Now they added it to the Incubator, lets see how long it will take until there is a course!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/evilmeow

How well should a person know a language to be able to help the incubator? I'm a native speaker of Hebrew but I moved away from Israel in my teens, so I feel like I wouldn't be able to help with grammatical nuances. I'd love to help if I can though. Also, how would the nikud be taught?? I know for sure most of us don't know the rules for its proper usage.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

Well I'm not a native or even a fluent speaker. But I'm recent victim of "ulpanim" system of Hebrew studies. And I'll tell you this: teaching nikudot (vocalizations) at the basic level is a crutch. Most students lean on this crutch so hard they get a leg atrophy, if you forgive my metaphor.

So, yes, this is a serious point that needs to be decided upon right from the start for a Duolingo Hebrew course. Solutions are numerous: stick to the known path and lean on hard; teach nikudots but withdraw them as soon as possible; be bold and skip them entirely, teaching the REAL reading from the start.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

I personally think that Nikud is not needed and as you said, could be skipped. There are some basic Nikud rules that are nice to know but usualy no one hardly uses them :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eyal.horow

What's great is that here if you don't know how to pronounce a written word you can just click on it and hear how it should be said. Nikud should only be taught as an extra skill to those who wants it, It can be helpful but one can manage without it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/evilmeow

I have no idea what it's like to learn Hebrew as a foreign language, so here are some potential problems I can see for teaching while disregarding nikud:

How would someone learn the special use of a patach in words like ירח, צומח, ריח? without nikud they look similar in structure to צורך, ירק ומין - but they sound so different!

Also, I have no idea how someone can read a word properly without a native speaker's intuition.. I mean.. חתול looks like hetol, hatol, hetul and hatul. Of course, to me, only the last one comes to mind, but that's because I know the word already.

tl;dr - I think it's possible to teach SOME Hebrew by relying on the learner's eventual intuition and memorization, but it might be very frustrating for an absolute beginner... or maybe I'm not giving people enough credit in being able to figure stuff out for themselves, I don't know :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I agree with you evilmeow, because it will be much simpler to learn with the Nikkud that without it. It should be used generally with the tasks and there should be an option to take it off. Maybe they could even make you redo the same task without the Nikkud. If there is no Nikkud I cant see how people will be able to do it- unless they are completely relying on the duolingo voice, but I think that they should be able to read for themselves. Learning without the Nikkud should be something that they graduate to, not something that they are forced into.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

The whole idea is that Duolingo will pronounce the words for you. So you will learn all the intricacies through repetition.

Regarding the specific case of patach having its vocalization pronounces before itself instead of after. I do not see how nikudot help to teach this. Patach has its nikudot written as normal with no indication of special treatment.

And if you mean the problem with homophones in Hebrew - that is, letters pronounced the same or very similar - then, again, nikudot are of little help.

So my point is: there is no other way, just memorization. And frustration of course.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Usagiboy7

@soratami, I'm not speaking as a knowledgeable moderator here. I'm speaking as someone taking a course who has made some observations. I don't think the automated voice is here to teach us pronunciation. The Italian course is a great example of that. But, while that is the most stunning example of bad automated pronunciation, the voice isn't all that good elsewhere in general. However, it does get us used to hearing someone saying Spanish (in my case) words with a vaguely Spanish accent. But, it's largely advisable to go elsewhere for the pronunciation tutorials (like youtube, etc.).

I'm not promote one system of learning over the other. That was really the only point I wanted to engage. I don't speak any Hebrew and i don't even know what a nikudot is. But, I'm hoping that by saying what I did, it can help encourage folks to explore and discuss several options while problem solving. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kingthatcher

I agree. I study arabic, and way too many people get so used to the vowels that once they try to read something without them (i.e. real-world material) they can't. I however don't use vowels to learn Arabic, I learn the vowels with romanisation and then learn the arabic-script version along with it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bar_an

In tanslation from English to Hebrew exercises you won't have to use "Nikud" (99% of the israelis wouldn't do that correctly either). But I think it's important to know what sound makes every sign, and therefore whoever that will create the course should put "Nikud" in every word in the course vocabulary.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

I can't for all of this to happen. :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nateVONgreat

I also speak Hebrew, and I think it is a easy language to learn IF you learn it from a similar language (like arabic). I think it is easy to understand how the language works and is built, but there are SO many rules and SO many exceptions to those rules, that it can make someone go crazy.
I haven't applied yet for the Hebrew from English course, because I am just too busy. Maybe some other time. A while ago I applied for the English from Hebrew course, but I got an email saying they are not interested in making that language course yet, I guess because I was the only one to apply. But I am glad because as I said, I am too busy.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/yoni393

I sure hope this will happen eventually! Though the main enemy is probably transliteration (should ח be matched as h, kh or ch?)

Either way, בהצלחה לך, גם פה וגם בגרמניה!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/yoni393

And don't get me started about that unless you're a native, you're almost forced to guess how most of the words are being pronounced.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

Maybe they should make the first task instead of basics should be pronouncing the letters- or maybe as a bonus task! I think that ח is usually matched with ch,I live in Israel but Hebrew is not my mother tongue! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ohail

I would love to see Hebrew on here


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S33v3rs

I Used to be fluent in Hebrew and am looking to Learn. I would also like a course in Arabic as they are so similar. I hope someone can make it happen!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nateVONgreat

what is "used to be fluent"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

Thank you Ori for thinking about us. I have been wanting to use Duolingo for many months to get my hebrew better, but it is not available here yet. Hopefully soon they will be able to add it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShainaKirs

I also want to learn more of it. I know a lot because I have learned it for so many years, but not as much as I would like to. It would be awesome if duolingo could provide a hebrew program.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MichaelErlbaum

Here Here, Duolingo Hebrew soon please.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnetaSamko

I would like to learn Hebrew too! Thank you so much for volunteering and putting it all together!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

I am definitely also very interested in a Hebrew course. I moved to Israel 3 years ago and I've managed to live and work in an English-speaking bubble, only really using Hebrew to order food and put more money on my bus card. I made great progress pre-aliyah doing all 3 levels of Pimsleur Hebrew on my commute to work, but alas it turns out people here don't speak just Pimsleur Hebrew. I progressed a little bit in ulpan, but not enough. There's some good vocabulary stuff on Quizlet. I'm very hopeful that we'll get Hebrew added to duolingo. Thanks for starting this thread!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VanessaBaran

Hebrew, s'il vous plait!!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kracit

I would love to use Duolingo to re-learn Hebrew and then help teach it (I lived in Israel for 6 years but it was a long time ago!).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

So, what's the story? This thread has been around for a couple of months and clearly there is interest from both learners and teachers. Ori, have you been in touch to follow up on our "application"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

I opened a ticket on May 22 to ask what the status is. I still haven't received a reply.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Perhaps the issue is right-to-left support? I see there is an English course for Arabic speakers in the incubator. Aside from that I did not find anything else in Hebrew or Arabic.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

I would say that the problem that prevents Hebrew from being added to Duolingo is the lack of demand. Yes, you heard me. All of us here in this discussion thread are passionate, but... we are how many? A couple of dozens?

Consider this: a maximum potential audience for "X-lang for Hebrew speakers" courses is 8 million of said Hebrew speakers. Compare this to current (!) enrollment for English-Spanish courses: 14 million (each direction, so 28 million total).

As for "Hebrew for English speakers", the potential audience is so small it is almost zero. Most immigrants in need of learning Hebrew are speakers of French or Russian, with a poor knowledge of English. Yes, a few of them come with an English background. Yes, there are a few enthusiasts who would learn Hebrew out of curiosity. And no, they are nowhere close to even ten thousands.

So it is not a technical problem. Just supply and demand. Alas.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

One other thing to point out is that the incubator has an Irish for English Speakers course in Phase I with just 3 contributors. That's got to have less demand than Hebrew and yet it's been "approved".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

Well, weird thing, I agree. Looks like my supply-demand conspiracy theory is wrong. Or they factor in the demand for the translation services, which we cannot ever see or predict. But this, again, is a guessing game.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

I agree, we have so much people interested that there must be at least something available for us all already.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

I guess my disappointment there would be that they seem to have the infrastructure to add new languages at this point, so much so that I bet adding an additional language is not a massive amount of work for them. After all, the content is mostly crowdsourced, right? So if you've got a bunch of interest then WHY NOT add a language?

It would be cool if the whole thing were more DIY, where they give the tools to create the language and if there are a bunch of motivated people around they can just create it without this needing to "get permission" from a not-that-transparent authority.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

As far as I understand, Duolingo is not a 100% community effort. It gets the funding by selling (crowdsourced) translation services to internet media. And thus some standard on quality has to be upheld. But, well, that's just a wild guess.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luis.A.Castillo

I want to learn Hebrew in the near future. I would love to practice it here on Duolingo. Eu quero aprender hebreu no futuro. Eu adoraria praticar-lo aqui em Duolingo. Yo quiero aprender hebreo en un futuro cercano. Yo amaría practicarlo en Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pie15

Please add Hebrew! I can't wait


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jeboulet

Hebrew would be fantastic


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/qlam

Would love to learn Hebrew using Duolingo. I was secretly hoping it was available. My fiancé is Israeli and would love to argue with her in the native tongue (lose proposition I know).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/l.graveyard_yea6

I like to give more a try's , I alway have to say grace before dinner Baruch Haba bin Chen Yahweh . In writing I may misspell , as to say in voice , I am close . Yea , I want to trys


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

I really hope this course become available. I can read Hebrew and know some words but I want to be fluent. Please include vowels though in the teaching course. They make all the difference in the world for non-Hebrew speakers!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zari_Horowitz

That would be amazing! Thanks for posting


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Caoidh

Thanks for applying Ori! I would love to learn Hebrew on DuoLingo - it would be brilliant!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/J0W3x

Woaahhh !! Hebrew looks awesome :D especially when it comes to writing. I'm a native french speaker. I'm passionate about languages. I do not know a lot but it's so fun to learn few words here and there. Please let me now if any course come up ! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

I heard that there are similarities between French and Hebrew. Do you know if this is true? I was informed by another user that there will be a poll this month for voting on courses to be offered. So if everyone that is showing interest votes on Hebrew or fills it in for "other" if it isn't listed we may get it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zari_Horowitz

Hi candentlion, unfortunately the only real similarities between French and Hebrew (I know a decent amount of each) are the way they pronounce their r's and the masculine/feminine noun thing, which is very common in any language, English is just odd in the way that we don't make the distinction. But knowing so many other languages (nice streak :) ) probably will make learning Hebrew a bit easier if Duolingo gets it-fingers crossed. Go Hebrew!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Thank you for your comment on the streak. I didn't see notification that you replied. I'm hoping that my knowledge of other languages mixed with being able to read Hebrew will help me learn Hebrew quicker.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/J0W3x

Really :O Wow that would be so awesome ! I don't know for Hebrew but I can say that, so far, there are some similarities between French and German concerning some vocabulary & the article in front of nouns. Hope it helped someone ! :P

Please let me know about this poll when it will be online, thanks ! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bigtex1990

I would very much like to learn Hebrew. I find it fascinating and it is something I would very much like to pursue. I've just started learning Spanish on duolingo and have enjoyed my experience. If duolingo can please offer Hebrew I would be very grateful.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AndrewStoc4

I'm taking Hebrew this coming semester in college but I really hoped to find a course on here because the method makes it feel so natural. I'd be glad to contribute when I can but I'm sure I wouldn't be much help yet. Modern Hebrew is seriously either mislabeled or outdated on the internet and in texts, or when I find a good resource it's extremely limited!

Duolingo would be a wonderful way to make an ACTUAL resource for people like me who love the language but need better resources!

תודה רבה!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Make sure you vote then to get it on here. The rules are each person can only vote for one language and only vote once.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3828277


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Canvasian

I'm quite interested in both Hebrew and Arabic. I'll head over to that poll now--how fortunate that I should find this thread in time!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Nice showing for Hebrew in the poll! https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3929509 Way to go everyone!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Yeah but it seems as though the voting didn't go the way they want it to and then are discrediting it. What is the point of holding a vote if they're only thrown out?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeelOfShame

I think there's a difference between 'not going the way you want' and 'looking for fraud'. My reading of the data and the explanation would point towards the latter rather than the former. Just too many abnormalities.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Read his statement he tells people to vote again in September but to vote for popular languages. This is not the first time the polls came out with strong support for Hebrew to be discredited.

Read this discussion people are contacting DL that are fluent in Hebrew and English offering to volunteer to do the course. They never hear back. Yet some how there was enough support to make an Irish course? We have shown a lot of support for wanting to learn Hebrew on here. Probably more so than Irish was ever shown. No one hears a thing except the polls are being rigged.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

Drat. That's really annoying.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Peterhast

Yeah, I think that it turned out good, we actually came in #1 on the fixed poll, but it looks like some were spamming the votes for other languages...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SarahElizM

Yes, duolingo, please add Hebrew!!!! And Greek for that matter.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marytal

I would love to learn Hebrew on here!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/deckersdan

I really wish that duolingo would add hebrew... Especially biblical hebrew, there's so much history


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AndrewStoc4

I personally think Modern Hebrew should be added first because there's plenty of robust resources on the internet for biblical already, plus people like me are trying to use Modern Hebrew to communicate. I took Latin which is now only written and you can learn that from a textbook grammatically if you're just reading and translating. Communication requires more immersion.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Hebrew is coming. I was informed that they are working on obtaining audio for it now.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

B"H! Thank you Avi for letting us know.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mishegas

Great! Thanks for the heads-up!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Someone from doulingo told you that as a response to your applications or you actually know someone there? :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

One of the mediators responded to a post in reply to my response to the poll that was released.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Any idea what the status is? ETA for getting Hebrew into the incubator or whatever toolkit is used for creating the course?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heythereneighbor

I would LOVE to learn Hebrew. I already know a bit of it due to years of Hebrew school. But I know so little conversational Hebrew. I really want to learn it though!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nisi1234

Duolingo. I would really love it if you could create a hebrew course for English Speakers. I really aspire to learn the language. Duolingo is a GRRRRRRRRREAT way to learn a language. I am currently learning spanish. Si tú pueda ve. That's if you can see. Please Please please at least think about adding hebrew. Thank You so much


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LilMissCriss

I REALLY want to learn Hebrew, I would be so grateful if Duolingo would create a course to support this!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CharaPembr

I am very interested in a duolingo course in Hebrew! I took a few years of it in college but that was quite some time ago and I would love to brush up on it. I do think there would be quite a bit of interest, I am hoping it's in the works!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eylon.saadon

Hey ori. and Hebrew is also my mother tongue.

I really think that is a great idea! I've just submitted a request to contribute to to this course. hope it happen


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hurricanechild

For what it's worth, I would be very interested in a Hebrew course. In fact, if it had been available here it would have been my first choice. I've looked for it before and all other websites that offer courses are either paid, require prior knowledge or seem a bit dodgy/difficult. I'd absolutely love to learn Hebrew on Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

FWIW, there are some very good courses in Memrise which are free and quite fun to work through on your smartphone. For while we're waiting for Duolingo to throw us a bone.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hurricanechild

I'll check that out, thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thepirategore

Im with you Ori! People commented here: ''There is zero connection to any european language, its too hard'' Thats EXACTLY THE POINT PEOPLE! Languages are hard! that's why you learn them! I mean, if you want to learn a language, you've got to expect its going to be hard, its a whole new language to learn! Of course its going to be hard, russian is hard too, and still, they made a course for it!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HebrewLearner

I know this was created a year ago, and maybe nobody will see this but I just wanted to point you guys here : https://www.duolingo.com/comment/7677659$comment_id=7680230 . This person says that Hebrew could be the next incubator language, and it could come tomorrow. I think this for a few reasons. 1.English for Arabic speakers is still in beta 2.This comment 3.Around a month ago(when Yiddish came to the incubator) a person working at Duolingo(a_david)(https://www.duolingo.com/comment/6913683) said that Hebrew would be coming soon

We'll have to see :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrider99

It's in the incubator now, so excited


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

UPDATE (3/4/15):

SUCCESS! Seems there is now a Hebrew for English speakers Incubator, right here: http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/he/en/status

I still find it very unprofessional that Duolingo never bothered to reply my emails or update me, but hey - I guess the important thing is that now people can apply and contribute.

Thanks everyone for supporting, commenting and helping with this initiative! Happy Passover :) Ori


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heuvelinnes

Will you apply to contribute ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sol3terran

Whoop! It's recently become important to me I learn Hebrew and I figured Duolingo would obviously be the best way, I'm thrilled there's an incubator FINALLY I'm trying to convince my friend (a native Hebrew speaker with impeccable English skills) to contribute so the course will develop better :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mishegas

Thank you, Ori, for continuing with your efforts all of this time. I don't get why they didn't keep you updated. I've been disappointed with how they've handled this on several levels, but at the same time, grateful that finally the incubator exists. Pesach Sameach.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

I look forward to being able to click the "watch" button for Hebrew and Yiddish. I probably won't be able to start them for awhile, as I want to get a schedule down for all the things I want to learn. (German, Biblical Hebrew, Irish, Drums, Italian, Violin.) Thanks to Duolingo for giving us Hebrew and Yiddish.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

I have moved to Israel a year ago. And I'll tell you, learning Hebrew is hellishly difficult. There is ZERO connection to any European language, be it a Germanic group language, or Slavic group one, or whatever. No common vocabulary, a completely alien script and, most importantly, NO DUOLINGO.

All existing Hebrew courses and textbooks are massively outdated. Like, if you got a course from 90s then consider yourself lucky, you've got the recent one. Refreshing this stagnant pool with a modern-era technology (read: Duolingo) would be a breakthrough. And no, I'm not exaggerating. Not even a bit.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nart.lauz

Hebrew isn't an European Language so it wont have any connection to European Languages. It's a Semitic Language like Arabic so it all depends on the background you are coming from. to an Arabic speaking person Hebrew will be easy. I myself think German is a much more harder Language to learn than Hebrew or Arabic(I studied both but fluent just in Hebrew.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tallguy007

In theory you are right, Hebrew is not a European Language but Semitic but, the Hebrew that you studied hence modern Hebrew has a special case. You need to understand Hebrew hasn't been used rather for prayers for years since the Jews went into exile. The result was the Jews spoke different created languages in Europe, from which the Yiddish, Ladino and Jewish arabic took over after several generations and continued to developed. W'hen the Jews started to coming back to Israel a person called Eliezer Ben Yehuda decided to relive the Hebrew language and created what is today Modern Hebrew. I really recommend you to read his life story, once of his son never talked till he was 5 or something, very interesting story. Since old Hebrew lacked tons of words, modern Hebrew had to get them from somewhere and that's how so many Yiddish/German/Latin/Greek/Russian/Polish and even French and English found their way into what we talk today which is modern Hebrew. All of the scientific words and words like project which is pronounced in the German words derive from Latin/Greek/German/Russian/Yiddish. Like I mentioned above tons of modern words came from German or Yiddish. Some of them got translated in the Hebrew version like Schreibtisch - שולחן כתיבה. In this sense Hebrew is a bit like English. English is a Germanic language but when you look at the vocabulary since so many words were taken from French and Italian it looks more Latin.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nart.lauz

Dude, I'm from Israel trust me I know what I'm talking about. its true that some there are some loaned words from European languages but it's not close to any European Language. Knowing German wont make studying in Israel much easier. but if you know Arabic or Ethiopian It can help you a lot. because they are Semitic Languages and the grammar and words are the same. English has some Arabic root words like pants or alcohol knowing Arabic doesn't make it easier to study English. just like knowing European Languages doesn't help at studying Hebrew.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I think I've remarked this before, but I'll say it again. The percentage of words that were put into Modern Hebrew from Romance Languages is tiny. And the Hebrew that was being spoken by Ben Yehuda and his colleagues was very different from the modern Hebrew being spoken in Israel today. The Israeli people, over the years, produced the Hebrew that you will hear if you go to visit there. The original Hebrew that Ben Yehuda categorized was actually much more biblical. Also, it's a mistake to say that Hebrew is like English. Quite insulting, actually.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tallguy007

I totally disagree, the percentages of words that were taken into Hebrew is huge not only from the romance languages but much more from the Germanic and Slavic languages. telephone is telephone, fax is fax, televisia is televisa, email is email, pizza is pizza, museum is mozeon, history is historia, bank is bank, student is student like you say in German, all the months are exactly like the German months, bus is an autobus like in German, sport is sport, all of the names of the countries besides France Spain and Greece derive from German or Slavic or Latin languages, chocolate is shokolad, toast is toast, supermarket is supermarket, consert is konzert (used only for classical music), music is mosika, doctor is doctorm opera is opera, internet is internet, thearte is theatron, tribuna is tribun, to present something is lehazig like zeigen in German, radio is radio, aluma is a falsh friend of alume in French which is to light, traktor is traktor from russian, to snack is lenashnesh from nashen in German, vintelator used to be vintelator like in German and French, university is oniversita, sugar is sukar, rice is orez like in romanian which is a latin language, esel uren in german is translated to oznei chamur in Hebrew, other verbs that were mentioned all came from German, nudnik comes from nudne which is boring in Polish, stadium is like stadion in german which is itzadion in Hebrew, himnun in hebrew is like himno in Italian and himne in German, coffee is kafe like in German, tea is tee like in German, mess is bardak from russian, project is proyekt like in German, batterie can be bataria in Hebrew, architect can be the same, folder or classer is French is the same in Hebrew, vitrina is vitrina like in French, all of the subjects derives from Greek or Roman, biology = biologia, cigarette is cigariya, tzupzik is the same like in Russian. In other words you need to learn all of the basic verbs and the basic words that a 6 years old knows like chair, table, book, I eat, I drink, warm, hot ect... and them you could understand tons of texts if you master the European languages. hit (in music or sales) is lahit ;) miror or miroar = maraa and from this lirot... Auto from German otto or mechonit in Hebrew, boss is boss... Hebrew is also easy because we take things in a simple way. wood or a tree is the same word : עץ money or silver is the same word: כסף way or through is the same work: דרך call or read or name somebody: לקרוא


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Peterhast

Tallguy,

Most of the words you mentioned were western/latin inventions... so it would make since that the words would stay similar to their origins... but I don't see your argument for words that would be directly associated with Hebrew culture and language, because honestly, I have seen more correlations between Arabic to Hebrew than what you listed here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

You probably just listed most of the words in Hebrew that are derived from Germanic/Slavic/ Romance languages. That was your intent, right? So it's a pretty small amount, for a language. Also, all of these things are modern, therefore there was no other alternative, so I'd say that Ben Yehuda wasn't a creator of a language, but rather he was an organizer. He wasn't about to come up with Hebrew names for modern things. Here are some corrections: Student is more often referred to as Talmid, Names of countries- what about China and India? And Artzot Habrit? Doctor is Rofeh, The Subjects: Azrachut- from root Zerach, Sifrut from Sefer, Chesbon from Choshev, Toldot is History. Also, if Hebrew is your native language, I don't think it's fair to say that it's easy to learn. Just pointing that out.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I rarely hear people refer to university students using stoodent, but anyway... I live in Israel, and have lived here a few years already. I'm fluent in Hebrew, and my native language is English. I found Hebrew very hard to learn compared to Spanish, and even Russian. Most native speakers don't use the language properly, they don't use all of the Poalim, and they don't bother with the sophisticated verb structure. I see you have done much research on this, so I don't think you would be guilty of it, but I know few native speakers that actually speak Hebrew beautifully and correctly. They are the ones that use the original words instead of the integrated words from other languages. And about the words being very clear, you realize that your mouth has been trained to speak those words since you were born, don't you? Polish people have no special training- they just speak it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tallguy007

hehe, well Sin is china and that is from French. Ok India another country. By student I meant the one who studies at university. Nobody uses the word Toldot unless it's an exam and you want to write in a nice way. Hebrew is my native language but I have been studying different languages and I can see the Hebrew grammar is very easy and also tons of Russian and British Jews told me they think the same. With no cases and just three tenses it is an easy language. chesbon is a word you use when you are in primary school :) and btw it comes from lechashev (to calculate) and not from choshev. Which is parallel in German rechnen and rechner, machsev and lechashev. We don't have verbs that split like German, we don't have 100 ways with no hearing words to ask questions like French, all of the sounds you make are very clear unlike Nordic or Slavic languages. I'd say Hebrew is at the same level of difficulty of Spanish or Italian but again we have no cases so it's much easier. If you really want to learn it you should volunteer in a kibutz for 2-3 months in the summer. Actually there are much more than that... Creme is Krem, Shampoo is Shampoo, Savon from French is sabon, tush is douche from French/German, bagade of a car is from French with a different meaning, sack is sack, shakit is like a small sack which is from French, and I can go on and on....


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tallguy007

I don't know where in Israel you have been living. סטודנט is the only word to describe somebody who is attending university. תלמיד Is somebody who is doing his living cert in school.

btw I forgot to mention tons of people don't even say artzot habrit but they simply say America referring to the USA, especially the young adults.

I was discussing the pronunciation from a foreign speaker point of view. You have been living several years in Israel, well I have been living several years in different European countries and the USA. There are several languages that most foreigner agree that the pronunciation of words is much harder. Languages like Polish, Russian Hungarian Chinese ect... are much harder to pronounce than languages like Hebrew , some of German, English, Italian and French. I am talking of course about the general sounds. Hebrew is very distinctive in it's sounds... It's more like Spanish. You have languages that you can hear one word and think it's a total different one. About the way the Israeli speak... well 99% of the people are not pronouncing the words right, they use more of a French/Spanish base instead of the original Israeli or what they call Yemenite nowadays. You know why? because it's easier that way. You complain that people do not use the Hebrew words when as a matter a fact as a native English speaker it should make things easier for you... I didn't get that. Many people find the Hebrew weird because unlike the European languages it is " an impolite language" and I think this is something you find it hard to get used to, the fact that we do not use words like see you tomorrow and tend to use more of the simple Hi and Bye. You are not alone there, tons of French and Russian thought the same till they get used to the idea. When you think about it , it also makes it easier when you don't use all of those extras. This is culture based and got nothing to do with not using the language. I guess it can be a bit disappointing to learn many words and then not to use them ;) . For one thing no dialect has been developed in Israel. Go to the German countryside, they themselves can't understand each other, same with the south of Italy. So I think the Israelis are doing pretty good.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

You shouldn't say that. I moved to Israel a year ago too, I can speak fluently already, and I love the language! If you take it in a good way it can be learned instantly, and most importantly, you have to love it. You are completely right about it having no connection whatsoever to any other language, except Arabic, which is very hard in itself. But if you are motivated, and you believe in it, you can learn it. It is just like that with every language. If you have no motivation, you just wont do it. I think that it's very special to learn a language that is nothing like anything else. And nobody should get their hopes down just because people say it's hard. Good luck! :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soratami

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Motivation is the key. I have seen a lot of people around me fail their Hebrew studies for that very reason: lack of motivation.

And Duolingo could help here too. Gamification and competition with peers both help to drive the motivation. So I'll keep stressing that. Hebrew IS a hard language to learn. And it DOES need to be added to Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

It sure does! I really hope that it comes out soon. I agree with you that there are only very old textbooks for learning hebrew though sometimes they are oldies but goodies. But learning online is much less difficult in certain ways so it would be really good if people could finally get a great online Hebrew course! Doulingo, you're the best!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Hebrew is actually only considered to be a medium difficulty language for English speakers to learn the same as Russian and Polish. Arabic is actually considered hard level. Meaning it would take longer to learn Arabic of an English speaker than the other three.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jared_Buttle

Hey I'm now learning Hebrew and am serious about it. How did you do it what resources and methods did you use to learn the language?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

I hear ya :) Hebrew, as you mention is not like anything you know. The only thing that might resemble it is German actually, because many slang words (or even some "regular" ones) came from Yiddish. I recently found out that ALL the names of the months in German, is THE SAME as in Hebrew. SAME! So, there is still hope ;)

But I agree - having an online Hebrew course (may it be Doulingo or any other) could be very helpful. Im sure you already have contacts by now, but if you need any help, contact me directly.

Good luck!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/safelone

Hey Ori. My name is Mahmud and I'm Arab. I do have to add that Arabic and Hebrew might be even closer than German and Hebrew. (I'm fluent in both Arabic and Hebrew, so I should know). And though both languages are completely different, you'll be amazed by how much they can resemble each other. for instance: "lo" in Hebrew which mean "no" is "la" in Arabic. Donkey is "khamor" while in Arabic It's "hmar". "breikha" which means pool is "birka" in Arabic. and there are so many words like these. I wish you all the well :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I totally agree with you! The Hebrew relation to German is nothing at all compared to it's relation to Arabic. It seems as if Arabic and Hebrew are the same language separated for a thousand years, they have totally different accents and ways of talking, but their grammar structure and most of the root words are exactly the same! There are only about five Semitic languages that are really spoken today, and it is clear that Arabic and Hebrew are sister languages without a doubt. If you know Hebrew and are learning Arabic, the first thing that you might learn is how to say a formal welcome. And you find that it is 'As-Salaam Alaykom'. The first thing that comes to your mind is, of course, 'Shalom Aleichem'! I know Hebrew, and I hear Arabic allot, and although I know quite a few words already, I hope to really study it one day!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/safelone

You totally should learn it. Even though the language is a bit difficult, it's quite a beautiful langauge :D.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

An interesting thing that I noticed is that most polyglots- I mean geniuses like hyper-polyglots- tend to fall in love with the hardest but most beautiful languages! For example allot of great polyglots like Arabic. It is such a rare but beautiful language. I am a native american-english speaker, but my favorite language is definitely Hebrew! I feel so much more elevated and happy when speaking it! It's so old that it actually feels like you're bringing something beautiful back when speaking it! Sorry, I just love Hebrew... :P (BTW I speak Hebrew fluently, if you didn't know that already...I dont know Arabic but if they had an Arabic course on Duo you bet I'd be learning it..)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deutschland1053

It's definitely a beautiful language, which is sad because only 7-8 million people today can speak it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heysoos1

Ahavah13, you just called the fifth most common language in the world rare, lol. Though to be fair, it has a ton of dialects that aren't always mutually understandable so... I've been trying to study Hebrew and Arabic for a while but I can't find enough practice. Hebrew is my favorite of the two, even though Arabic sounds cooler. :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mishegas

And Shalom aleichem - Salaam aleikum, aba for father is similar in Arabic, and probably there's some more. Misha


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kingthatcher

Here is a video highlighting the similarities between Arabic and Hebrew: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s95yAJye36w


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

Haha Tim Doner- he's the one that made me pursue language learning. I pressed the link, waited until the add turned off, black... hey, thats familiar! haha! I was so inspired when I heard of him that I made a list of about 30 languages I wanted to learn- that was two years ago and I've only learned one:)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kingthatcher

Yeah, he's pretty inspiring. I have since watching his videos learned Croatian, Chinese, and Portuguese to a reasonable level (levels from best to worst in that order). I am learning Arabic and German now, and hope to learn Hebrew sometime soon as well!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Who is that? It doesn't sound like Hebrew necessarily. The Arabic influence gave it a familiar sound but not to where I could pinpoint.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

(to kingthatcher) Wow, that's amazing! I've learned only Hebrew since I've watched the videos but I'm coming in on Spanish... hopefully I'll be finished the tree soon... I still cant say I speak Spanish though. How far are you in those languages?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deutschland1053

Tim Doner is awesome, he's the one who made me chase after languages in the first place


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

Such beautiful languages. It is amazing to hear. I recently had an experience where I heard someone speaking and I couldn't figure out why it sounded familiar but I couldn't really understand it. I knew it wasn't a language I knew. It was Bengali. The guy told me that it had Arabic influence. I don't speak Hebrew but I hear it quite often and I know some things and because of that the some of the Bengali sounded familiar in a way. It was pretty cool.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

Bengali? That's very interesting... I had no idea it sounded the least bit like Hebrew!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ahavah17

I cant really reply to you there, but... Tim Doner is 17 or maybe 18 by now, I don't know, but by the time he was 16, in over 3 yrs, he knew 23 languages!! Ah, I thought you meant it sounded like Hebrew...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

It would be nice to have an English to Arabic class as well.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Offerlingo

In the moment that an Arabic-Hebrew and a Hebrew-Arabic Duolingo courses will show up, great things will happen in our region :) Whoever speaks both languages out there, please teach us! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nathan.T

Arabic is very similar to Hebrew as well


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

BTW - Im sure youve searched already, but maybe this can help: https://www.youtube.com/user/HebrewPod101


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AviAdventure

You are right in that it is so hard to find ways to learn Hebrew with modern technology. I can read Hebrew. To me it was easy and took about 10 classes I think. As long as vowels are included everything is phonetic. I would be more than happy to see Hebrew on here!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MichCOdel

I'm a fluent speaker of Arabic and Hebrew and more and i understand why an english speaker will find them hard but they're not.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/YanivLevi

don't forget that Hebrew was before all of this, and It's a very very very ancient language (and it has only 22 letters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TTANTAWY

This might be a common question but here goes anyway, is Hebrew relatively easier to learn for a native Arabic speaker, giving that both are Semitic languages, or would that create confusion?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/evilmeow

It would probably be easier for someone who already knows a semitic language, because it's definitely more similar to arabic than to English, for example. Though, that being said, there are still a lot of differences, since the languages are quite far apart from each other (so I don't think it will create much confusion).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BobbieL

It's wonderful of you to want to help the rest of us learn :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LA3_xx

Fairly new to here, but I would absolutely love a Hebrew course.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jakerman

Really want a hebrew course!!!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShmuelKatz

Hi for all the readers, first, sorry for the English. Second I am writing from the Hebrew speakers viewpoint, I am a mother tongue Hebrew speaker, and as you can imagine I don’t know English as good as I want to know. I can tell you that most of the Hebrew speakers want to improve their level of English, and I do my best to introduce this site to as many people as I can. I know that it goes both ways, the minute there will be English to Hebrew speakers course, there will be Hebrew to English speakers course as wall. So if you know somebody that speak Hebrew and want to learn English, tell him about the website. Together we could manage to establish both courses. Thank you. שלום לכול הקוראים, אני מקווה שיפתח קורס באנגלית לדוברי עברית, אבל מדובר ביוזמה שעובדת בשני הכיוונים. ברגע שיהיה קורס עברית לדוברי אנגלית יהיה גם קורס באנגלית לדוברי עברית. כדי להצליח לכונן (לייסד, להקים) קורס לדוברי עברית, אנחנו דוברי העברית צריכים לעשות ככול יכולתנו שיוקם קורס לדוברי אנגלית, בכדי שזה יצליח, אני בטוח שאתם מכירים דוברי אנגלית שרוצים ללמוד עברית, לכן תשתפו אותם בקיום של האתר ותבקשו מהם להירשם, ברגע שנגיע למסה קריטית משני הכיוונים, אני מאמין שימצאו גן התורמים ושני הקורסים יפתחו. תודה. (Just to clarify, what is written in Hebrew is not the same as in English, although it calls for the same purpose).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/froindlir

did Duolingo answerd anyone about the Hebrew course?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrymaxm

Keep messaging them so that they may finally get this moving.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/X19K

They told me that in a "few weeks" there might be an answer about my request. A few weeks passed.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/froindlir

I got the same response. months ago...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

They have not responded to me.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

for months now - no. I will send them another mail before going with this to the Media. When press in involved, you wont believe how fast things happen.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeelOfShame

I don't know that "getting the press involved" is something that would grease the wheels here - it's not like we're talking about a public utility or even something we pay for, but rather a free (as in beer) education site online. Perhaps a petition to show the size of the body of interested users would be more prudent and effective.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/froindlir

I want to learn another languege... any suggestions? my first choices were German and Portuguese, but idk... I want something practical, something that will be useful for the future...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/isralfaro

I'm aching to learn Hebrew! I speak both English and Spanish (being this last one my native language). Please, please, help me out learning Hebrew!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thynctank

Definitely interested in picking up at least a tad bit of Hebrew at some point!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lolalilach

אני יודעת שיש מלא אנשים שניסו להתחיל קורס בעברית וגם לא קיבלו תשובה אני מקווה שתקבל תשובה כמה שיותר מהר ,בהצלחה :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mbl1221

תהיה עברית בסוף? אני מדבר אנגלית ועברית שוטף, ועכשיו סיימתי את הכיתת ספרדית כאן. שהם ישימו ערבית אני רוצה ללמוד את זה גם!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mbl1221

תהיה עברית בסוף? אני מדבר אנגלית ועברית שוטף, ועכשיו סיימתי את הכיתת ספרדית כאן. שהם ישימו ערבית אני רוצה ללמוד את זה גם!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

ראיתי את ערבית בincubator, נראה לי שיתחילו לבנות את הקורס עוד מעט


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Woohoo! It's about time!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

וואי הבנת חחח. כן גם אני רוצה ללמוד ערבית, שפה ממש מעניינת.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

Hebrew's in the incubator??? :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

What'd you say about the incubator? Is Hebrew in one?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

ערבית או עברית?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

+origosh

Sorry. I don't know Hebrew. I do want to learn it, though. But can you please put what you wrote to me in English, please? Thanks. ;D

I thought Hebrew was written right to left…


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

It is, Duolingo just formats it to look different :) It doesn't really support right-to-left writing. We were saying that Arabic seems to have been added but Hebrew hasn't been.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CinnamonBoy

Oh, okay. Thanks. I hope they add it soon!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

רק ערבית, לצערי :(. אני לא מבינה למה לוקח כל כך הרבה זמן להוסיף את עברית לincubator, יש לך רעיון?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

מישהו פעם זרק איזה רעיון מופרך של אנטישמיות. אני כבר לא יודע אם זה מופרך... הם אפילו לא עונים למיילים ולפניות שלי. אם זו לא אנטישמיות, זה שירות לקוחות ממש גרוע. הקטע שאנחנו בכלל לא לקוחות, אנחנו העובדים שלהם - אנחנו מתרגמים עבורם תוכן והם מוכרים את זה ומרוויחים כסף. קצת מעצבן


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

כן, ראיתי את השיחה על אנטישמיות לפני כמה זמן. גם אני חשבתי שזה רעיון מופרך, אבל אז הוסיפו את נורבגית, יידיש, וערבית לincubator, ועכשיו אני לא יודעת מה לחשוב. אני חושבת שצריך לדבר עם אלה שבונים את הקורסים החדשים, אם בנו את הקורסים בלי בעיות (במיוחד הבונים של קורס הערבית, כי גם ערבית משתמשת בכתב אחרת)-- אז אולי יש משהו לרעיון הזה.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

רגע לא--תראה מה מצאתי! כנראה שעוד מעט גם עברית תהיה בincubator, ישששששש. חחח אז אין צורך לדאוג על אנטישימות.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/6913683


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

I believe the lesson I've learned from this thread is that we should not do any celebrating until Hebrew is actually IN THE INCUBATOR.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Are we all looking at the same incubator http://incubator.duolingo.com/ ? I don't see Hebrew or Arabic.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

Hmmm, you're right, oops! Sorry about that. However I know that Hindi has made its way onto Duolingo, having seen the moderators post updates in Hindi and English, so I don't think that the different writing system should be a problem.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

Perhaps, perhaps not. But it has been confirmed that Hebrew is on its way... :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DanielZieg2

I want a Hebrew course. Is there some reason Duolingo doesn't allow the community to build courses in semitic languages? Why must people cry out for over a year to get a language project built? Cantonese is much more relevant than Mandarin, Chinese movies were made in Hong Kong. Drunken boxing, Snake vs. Tiger, Eagle Claw, The Man With the Golden Arm, 36 Chambers... oh, back to Hebrew. Memrise is just a fancy vocabulary site, Lingua.ly is more for those already familiar with a language, Anki Mnemosine Reppetitions Flashcard LanguageCourse Quizlet are all just fancy flashcards.

Hebrew,

Get R Done


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heuvelinnes

Oh my god. I have been watching your thread for over a year now and I am SO HAPPY to see they started the incubator process. Congratulations and thank you so much for this !

אני עולה חדשה ואני צריחה את זה. תודה רבה רבה!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

So it looks like the two contributors are Dvir and Mae and it's currently scheduled to be ready January 2016. Are Dvir and Mae on this group? They've made a couple of status updates here: http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/he/en/status It certainly seems like we have many more potential contributors in this discussion. Is it possible to get more people involved and speed up the timeline, or would that just be "too many cooks in the kitchen"? Should we keep the discussion here or would a new thread make sense so we can all be in touch? It seems like the incubator status page is more of a "contributors blog" without any back-and-forth discussion. Looking forward to helping however I can! Thanks! Adam


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/X19K

they say: It's really important to set rules about exactly how we translate things now before we get too far, otherwise it'll be a huge amount of work to make it all consistent later (this is part of the reason why we are not adding any new team members just yet (please, please stop asking...:)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

I wrote Dvir personally and asked how I can contribute, and didnt get a reply. To be honest, I dont how they got "in" to become contributors or how they managed to have someone from Duolingo contact them - but I don't care anymore. The purpose of this thread was to show Duolingo the need for such a course, and now that they saw there is a demand, and now that there is an incubator - the threads dont matter. If Dvir/Mae would be looking for people to help them, im sure they will find them, whether its us or not. Im not going to beg others to "let" me help them. We will just see how this thing unfolds I guess...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/loolitay

Look at the incubator update, there's an explanation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarkEChavez

I have been learning Hebrew for 2 years now practicing every day, and honestly I'm still not very good are there any suggestions or tips on how i can improve? The main thing I do is watch israeli tv shows with hebrew subtitles. Every time I come across a words I don't know I look it up. Its very time consuming. Do you think I'm doing the right thing?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/as128

Hi Mark, This is more of a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do, because I'm a lot like you but instead of doing that I do Memrise Hebrew vocabulary courses, and also it hasn't progressed me very far. When push comes to shove, the only real way to learn a language is to speak it with native speakers. Read up on Benny Lewis' stuff... here's an article he wrote for Tim Ferriss's site: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2014/03/21/how-to-learn-a-foreign-language-2/ and check out Benny's website. He clearly has the right approach, I'm just a bit too shy or something to have really implemented it. Hope that helps! Adam


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarkEChavez

Thank you so much. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Do the following simultaneously: 1. I find it is useful to just learn the vocabulary. Frequency list: http://www.teachmehebrew.com/hebrew-frequency-list.html Just learn 20 new words every day. By the end of the week, you'll know 140 words, 600 words per month. In 2 months, you'll know 1200 words. In 4 months, you'll know 2400 words and should be able to understand much of what you read.

  1. Use Study Flash on your phone. You can download flashcard sets from Quizlet or from a download code. You can also create your own flash cards. Your flash cards can include Hebraic sentences too. Bonus: You can add Audio to the cards too!

  2. Don't be overly concerned with proper grammar. Just use the words. When ever you are writing a note to yourself, write any word you know, in Hebrew instead of English. Write a journal entry every day using those words. For example (using transliteration) Hayom ani swam in ha pool. (Today I swam in the pool.)

It really helps to write out the words 10 times just to imprint the words in your memory. It also improves your spelling.

  1. Read what you find on the web. And, read it out loud. It doesn't matter if you don't understand most of it. Every time you read, you'll find more words you understand.

http://www.sabailan.com/ (Stories to read.)

http://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/ (Free, and includes audio)

  1. I'll listen to the SAME song or watch the same show (same episode) or movie, over and over again until my brain hears the words without issues and processes the meaning. I'll also write out problem sentences and, put that on flash cards.

Part 2: Once you understand most of what you hear in the movie or show, try to answer and react to what one character says or does but only use the new language.

  1. Take a book you want to read, and then write out flashcards for the words in that book, working page by page. Write out phrases, idioms and sentences on the flashcards too.

On the reverse side, you put the English translation for the first time the card shows up. But then you add English ideas to get you to come up with the Foreign Language sentence.

  1. Write out questions in New language on one side of Flash card, and then the Answer in New language on the flip side.

  2. Don't worry about mistakes as that's how we learn.

Extra: For those who have problems with spelling, find wordfinds online or make up your own using graphpaper.

Best Wishes!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Keylla-

i am also would like to know what is the best way to learn it quick...,. Hebrew is not easy for me


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BoycottApa

היי אורי, אם תצטרך עזרה בבנית הקורס אשמח לעזור


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

תודה רבה! לצערי אני לא ממש משתתף בבניית הקורס (או מעורב בו בכל צורה שהיא) אבל אני מניח שאם יצטרכו עזרה הם ידעו להגיע לדיון הזה ולחפש מתנדבים :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deutschland1053

I really hope that the course will soon be finished and everyone will be able to start. I have great interest in learning Hebrew. The first thing I do when I start learning a language is trying to get around the written script (if it has one) If it does have a written script and I get around it, it makes learning the language much easier.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

what do you mean by "written script"? :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deutschland1053

By written script I mean any type of writing script different from the Latin alphabet. For example a language like Arabic which uses the abjadi script instead of the Latin script


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/origosh

Just making sure you all saw the update - as of last month there is a Hebrew course :) Details are in the 1st post I wrote as an update. Enjoy...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dominic783658

I have been wanting to learn hebrew for quite a while now, thanks for mentioning it and I hope that there will be a duolingo course for english speakers.

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