https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi

Abuse of the voting system

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I've been taking a break from Duolingo for a while, but since I've come back I have noticed that there is a real problem with abuse of the voting system. I am not talking about giving spam or abuse negative votes. In fact, Duolingo is one of the only sites that gets rid of hate so easily by us deciding what should disappear (instead of waiting around for a moderator).

All that being said, I am seeing a lot of helpful discussions with -6 or more down-votes. Sometimes the discussions aren't helpful, but simply someone asking for advice they can't find elsewhere. When I shared my Duolingo story (in the Share Your Duolingo Story forum), it received something like 10 negative votes. And it was just me sharing my personal story!

I am not writing this to complain. I am writing this because I think the voting system is no longer effective on Duolingo. A person can no longer tell by looking at votes what is going to helpful and what is not. It's more of a guessing game. Does anyone else notice this problem?

I know Duolingo has had a problem with "down-vote trolls" for a while, but this has really gotten out of hand.

I bet this thread will even get a ton of down-votes.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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I agree. I think that maybe only users who have gotten on or above level 8 in a language or level 5 in two languages should be able to up or down-vote stuff, or users who have been on Duo for a couple of months should be able to vote. This would prevent people from making spam accounts, which is part of the problem.

Edit: Wow! I just got back, and checking on this comment, it got 13 downvotes in the past two hours!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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That's an excellent idea. People with higher levels are more likely to be serious users and would actually want to see more helpful and advice-related discussions. Someone needs to pitch this to the higher-ups. I hope that someone at the top sees this.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SusanS1

I agree with this 100%. The ability to vote could be an achievement that they earn. The big problem is that this sometimes gets truly helpful comments hidden.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quinnine

That sounds like a brilliant idea! I, too, am fed up with trolls but there's no way for us users to get rid of them at the moment. It's Duo's turn.

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https://www.duolingo.com/fractal_shadow
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100% yes!

Maybe it could be something you could use the lingots for.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MacIomhair
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It's the people who spam who are then upset that their tripe is down-voted who in-turn down-vote the real discussions. The spammers tend to have multiple accounts and go a bit mad with the down-voting. They'll stop soon enough when their mothers make them leave the basement for a half-hour to change the bed and do a bit of general tidying. And their short attention spans probably then will make them move on to the next thing - probably tweeting abuse to a random star's sister.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Portofan
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There are a few (or one) persons with lots of accounts who are downvoting everything on a large scale, in an attempt to make the forums unusable and to harm Duolingo.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PolyDuoCat

Abuse suggests they are doing something that isn't allowed. What you are describing sounds like the problem is with the system that Duolingo has chosen.

I don't understand why they have chosen this system instead of one with a "Report Abuse" feature. I would guess that the forums are not a priority to this company.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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While in a technical sense, you're right that they are not doing anything that isn't allowed, they are misusing the system. Duolingo Staff used to encourage people to not give negative votes for (what they considered) petty reasons. The vote system was created to increase views on helpful posts and comments and to remove abuse through a democratic process. It is not being used for that (intended) function.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

1) I don't see a share your successes forum. Maybe we need one specifically to post streak tree ad other inspirational stuff. 2) I like the idea of limiting who can downvote but I think the easiest way to limit it would be to change the minimum XP needed to join anything but the troubleshooting forum upward Duo should only need to change one value not add code 3) it would be nice if the people who downvote frequently edited the list of forums they see

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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Excellent points. Thanks, KenBookmye!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aria487
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I notice this, I've seen very useful posts or genuine questions getting downvoted. One of my own posts was downvoted for no good reason. The thing that bothers me is that the staff knows about this problem (and others, like trolls) full and well, they just don't do anything about it. :-/

(Minor edit)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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Now that this thread has a -3, it seems there is little hope of the admins ever seeing it. T_T

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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The worst part is some of the really helpful comments that were near the top are also now missing. The suggestions were excellent ones too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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The main problem is IMHO the down-vote feature from the search result list.
Any user can down-vote without even having to open the thread / reading it.

Yes, it hit me multiple times on several created threads.
Although there are so many crappy (not down-voted) threads in the forum, but even the normal (well written) threads are down-voted.

Latest one:
"Memrise: How can I best repeat 548 words and suppress incorrectly answered words in a session?": https://www.duolingo.com/comment/21758481

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https://www.duolingo.com/Lea.1717
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Unfortunately this is a huge problem here. We can always begin to show our appreciation with lingots (while upvoting), so people won't get discourage when a helpful/harmless discussion gets lots of downvotes.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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I am totally for giving lingots to positive threads and comments. The only downside is that if a troll down-votes enough times, then the thread will disappear whether it has lingots or not. :/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SarahK7174
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I up-voted this too...I hope a lot more people follow your advice.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MikeNolan6

There are ways to solve the downvoting problem, but it remains to be seen whether Duolingo is committed enough to the concept of having discussion forums to implement any of them.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PJMCD
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I have begun to stop posting anything, because anything I make gets hidden within a couple of minutes. It's disgraceful.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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one upvote from me

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https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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Is anyone here in favor of creating a petition to Duolingo about the problem? Normally, I would not be for it, but the Duolingo staff encourage us to contact them "through the forums". While this does have 7 upvotes (currently, it may change), the staff may never see it. A petition would be harder to ignore and impossible to give a negative vote.

I would love to include the brilliant ideas that all of you helpful people came up with as suggestions in the persuasive pitch that we would write for the petition.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Snotgirl

I am so glad someone brought this up. I've only been on Duolingo for a couple of months but I've seen so many down votes on what seem like harmless or even helpful threads. It makes me a little sad to see it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Captain_Duo
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i'm upvoting this. unfortunately, people just down vote to be trolls cause they think it's funny. it's horrible, i've posted stuff asking for help with my Italian and French and they both got like -10 votes. i hope the trolls with stop

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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Thanks everyone for your input. I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed this.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LanguageLover.

What is the "Share Your Story" forum?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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There is a forum on Duolingo (I forget where) called "Share Your Duolingo Story". It is just for fun really, and a nice way to get to know about other users and how they benefitted from the site.

I shared my personal experience about how I used what I learned from Duolingo to teach my mom Spanish and German, so she could use it as a nurse.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asko904430

Does this system delete every votes that deactivetad users has been given? Well, if it is not the case system should be changed to do it. This way troll couldn't make much damage because all of his votes would be deleted after deactivating his account.

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https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
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Now that is one brilliant idea!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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I second that. :-)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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brilliant brilliant!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Parislover1217

People have been down voting for so long now too many spam accounts! I think Duolingo should do an email confirmation policy to reduce spam

1 year ago
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