https://www.duolingo.com/bradleyrix

Double verb on same object.

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Hey, so this may be completely elementary but I can't get my brain to function on it.

So, do the subject and/or direct object pronouns need to be repeated when two or more verbs are being carried out on the object.

Eg. "Ils se sont unis contre le monopole maritime britannique qui les réprimait et dépassait."

Is this right or is repetition needed. (In a written format, I might add).

Cheers in advance

April 8, 2017

10 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Prenom.Pierre

Eh bien, tu en poses de ces questions, de bon matin !

« Je les aime et convoite... » cette construction n'est pas utilisée à l'oral. On entendrait plutôt : « j'les kiffe et les reluque... »

Néanmoins, ta question m'interroge, un auteur classique dans un théâtre classique mettrait bien une telle phrase dans la bouche de ses personnages : « Mon navire les emporte et mène vers les abîmes... »

Alors j'ai un peu creusé pour trouver cette pépite :

http://la-grammaire-de-forator.over-blog.fr/article-quelles-sont-les-ellipses-permises-dans-un-enonce-comportant-plusieurs-verbes-coordonnes-55112431.html

Pour finir, je te conseillerais d'être prudent, le tour n'est pas du tout commun, mais si tu as des talents littéraires alors tente ta chance.

Au plaisir...

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Prenom.Pierre

And if you have other very sharp questions of grammar, question rather this person (she is bilingual, her pen name is Choubine) she is of an exceptional erudition.

http://chouxdesiam.canalblog.com/

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/bradleyrix
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Merci beaucoup, je viens de me réveiller alors je vais lire ce qu'il y a dans le lien que tu m'as fourni.

Je sais pas si le contexte dans lequel je voudrais utiliser cette construction mérite la peine de tenter ma chance, mais qui sait.

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Prenom.Pierre

Si ce n'est pas un devoir de littérature, je pense que tu as intérêt à répéter le complément d'objet direct. Un historien ou un géographe ferait cela.

But I see you write already excellently well French. Moière has no secret for you.

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/bradleyrix
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Hahha cheers! Same for your English, it's at a very high level.

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/marcnu1

There is no rule. This process is used to make the language more fluid and remove words that aren't required for the understanding.

Your sentence is perfectly valid. It's up to you to add another "les" for the second verb if you feel the need.

You will get the perfect feeling of when it is required by reading lots of books. That's a pure style choice, choising between a light and heavy language, to produce different feelings in the reader's head. It's more a question of writting expertise than a question of French language.

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/bradleyrix
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Cheers, I've never been a reader of literature as such, but constantly read political books, articles and the like.

And that is the context in which I wanted to write it, a formal, academic, yet non-literary one, if that makes sense.

Thanks again for the input!!

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Sitesurf
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We tend to repeat subjects and objects more often than in English.

All the more if there is any risk of ambiguity or misunderstanding, and notably in speech.

I would say "qui les réprimait et les dépassait".

April 10, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Texangymnast

Which language are you talking about? I know it's either French or Spanish (pretty sure it's French), but not quite sure which.

April 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/bradleyrix
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It is indeed French :)

April 9, 2017
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