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New algorithm causing intense frustration

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As a dyslexic and previously reluctant language learner I have always sung the praises of the virtual patience and the lack of feeling judged that the app shows. Knowing that difficult things will keep coming round over time but that getting stuck on one problem phrase will not cause failure but this seems to have changed. I note that now if you get something wrong it comes back immediately, again and again. Not only that but it moves you backwards.

I have just quit my first ever lesson on duo as sixteen questions in I hit a phrase in swahili that i simply could not remember all the letters to - it was wrong, it appeared again immediately , wrong, the progress line goes backwards, wrong again, backwards again, try again, wrong again, backwards. No way to skip and remain positive about the learning, just fail and punish- force to do again.

I could feel my face flush the same way as it used to when teachers would make you stand and try the same thing over and over and over again while the rest of the class laughed. Not a feeling i will willingly expose myself to as an adult and not what I expected of Duo. At this point i may well give up on swahili entirely and am wondering what the implications are for the other more difficult languages i am looking at.

Quite sad.

1 year ago

10 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/FelixMacchiaveli
FelixMacchiaveli
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If it´s last question, and it seems that way. The lesson ends when you get it correctly and the meter is just a cosmetic feature..

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Casper_duo
Casper_duo
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Can't you copy the answer and paste it?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
piguy3
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Like others, I assume it was the last question in a lesson.

I've driven the bar waaay back to the left sometimes when I've decided to go to the trouble of suggesting a bunch of obviously missing responses. Then I enjoy how it pops all the way to the right all at once when I finally put in the right one.

Further down the Swahili tree there are sentences that are presumably still demanding answers that do not conform at least to the grammar of standard English variants I'm aware of. I resorted to just copying the answers into a Word document so I'd have them when the question came around again. (you can just copy and paste the words from the hints, too, if need be, which sounds like it might have helped you avoid this unpleasant episode)

EDIT: I'm guessing the hint was missing? I run into this in early beta stage courses, too (in fact, just did again, inspiring me to make this edit). Super annoying. Yeah, I "cheat" and copy it into the clipboard :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ove_sundberg
ove_sundberg
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We prefer different learning styles. I prefer the repetition. For me, it's demoralizing to be quizzed on long words day after day, and always get them wrong. With the new system, I get a chance to get some of the harder vocabulary under my belt.

I get that you don't like the new style, but how would you feel if they added hints? Like, say they did indeed quiz you again immediately if you fail a 5 syllable word, but give you the first letter as a hint. Answer it wrong, yet again, and they show you the first two letters, etc.

That seems like a decent compromise, no?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Espatially

Most people would welcome a few more chances to get something right than skip the question. This is how you learn.

Do you know how many times I spell things wrong in Russian and Greek? Most of the time. You're learning a language, you're not fluent or even proficient in it yet so it's normal. There's no teacher in your face, nobody is grading you on participation, nobody is even watching.

Might I gently suggest that you get over it? Because giving up shouldn't be an option, and the emotions you are feeling are what's getting in your way, not the Duolingo program.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Except that Duo has a charming talent for demanding repeatedly that we supply answers that are plainly incorrect.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/londoncallling

You could try copying the answer down onto paper or into another tab and then just copy it back in next time? As others have said, this isn't the algorithm being a problem, it's just that you can't complete the lesson until you've answered all the questions. And remember, it's not actually judging you, it's just a computer program. It's trying to help. Go back to it when you're less stressed and I'm sure you'll find it comes more easily - trying to focus when you're stressed is never easy. You can do it!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MikeNolan6

When I'm studying a difficult Duolingo lesson, I open a text editor window so I can save phrases that I stumble on more than once. That way I've got notes to help remind me what I had difficulty with.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jillianimal

The reason why it's being so picky is because swahili is still in beta…or does this apply with every course? This system has been in place for a year or so now so while the frustration is understandable it just seems odd that this would be a problem in general now.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RVFVS
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I wouldn't quit a course immediately after having one difficult (albeit frustrating) lesson. Swahili is still in beta so some patience is required while taking it.

1 year ago