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I just had about half of my completed French tree drop out of 'gold'

I just had about half of my completed French tree drop out of gold status, I wonder why?

April 17, 2017

38 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MikeNolan6

I know all about spaced repetition, and I'm used to seeing 5-6 skills drop out of gold every day, but to have several dozen of them drop out of gold all at once, some of them ones that I had strengthened within the past few hours, is puzzling, and may be discouraging to a lot of people.

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeriMaison

Whew! I thought I was alone. Just happened to me too. This can't be normal for so many people to complain at the same time about so many skills downgraded all at once.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeriMaison

So...seven hours after I posted that, I am back to all gold. Musta been a Duo glitch

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cathbd42

Me too! Between my three languages, I had around 130 lessons that needed practice. Now I just have a handful, about the number I would have expected yesterday. I'm glad it seems to be fixed! Maybe the staff were afraid they'd have a mutiny among the users.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cathbd42

It is very discouraging! Although I suppose it will force me to practice even harder to get caught up again. I've submitted a bug report on this issue. I've never done so before, and it says not to expect a reply, so I have no idea if anything will come of it, but I guess we'll see!

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

How do you submit a bug report?

July 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SLEJ4

They must have updated the course.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MikeNolan6

I don't see any new lesson nodes in my still-completed tree.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

Yes, and I was very sad to see the little flash cards go away in place of the slower more awkward ones...unless they are back.

July 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Official (=by staff) explanation here.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cathbd42

I just had the same thing happen in all three of my languages. One minute I was working through the few lessons that needed reinforcement, then the next minute more than half of the tree was no longer gold. Also, the ones I have practiced since then will not turn gold.

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cathbd42

One that I practiced just now turned gold, so I'm not sure now if there a problem in that respect or not.

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KxngDeo.

I absolutely hate it when that happens. This happens to me every day and it's like I'll never have a full gold tree :(

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Bicks3

I've just had the same thing, reviewed 2 topics this morning to get back to all gold, just checked it now and about half my tree needs reviewing. Some of the topics have the strength bar down what you would normally expect if you'd ignored it for 2-3 days. Very odd and frustrating!

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JenniferSh467914

me too!

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FrenchFireBird

Same here tho, earlier I was on and got around two hundred XP then I got on and half of it was not gold.

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FrenchFireBird

I had to re-strengthen ten skills

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tyler983575

That's nothing!!!! I've got 20 to 30 of them to re-strengthen and most of them are really hard!!!!!!!!

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JessicaFit9

All three of my languages have similarly gone from pure gold (and usually needing 0-5 skills refreshed per day) to being over half now requiring review, and many of them dropping significantly in "strength". I also submitted a bug report to hopefully increase the attention to this.

Concrete numbers, where all finished skills were gold yesterday: French: 56 of 77 now need review Spanish: 45 of 61 now need review German: 22 of 35 now need review

That's not a daily pace I can sustain...

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Turlur

Same happened to me. I just finished getting my italian tree all gold this morning, I check it again a few hours later and now suddenly 30/40 lessons have been degraded, most of which have degraded to 50-75%.

Even my French tree, which is only 5 lessons deep, has been seriously degraded. I've been doing rep work on it every day, so I don't understand how so much of it could justifiably degraded this much this quickly. Is this a bug or something?

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesRenni9

Same here. My French tree has been gold for ages and typically I need to strengthen 1 or 2 skills a day but quite often I don't need to strengthen any. Yesterday it was completely gold and no skills needed strengthening. Today 58 skills suddenly need strengthening so this seems like a screw-up. Looks like similar has happened on my Spanish and German trees :-(

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Let's "regroup" all reports about the recent (less than 24 hours apparently) bug with strengthening, in this discussion which is [seems to be] the oldest one about this subject in the Troubleshooting forum (which is the place meant for such discussion).

Don't hesitate to upvote and comment that discussion so that it appears on top of the "Popular" tab.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SLEJ4

To quote another user, hughcparker: Duolingo uses a spaced repetition approach. It shows you things you've learned at times that will most help them stick in your head. If you keep the tree gold, you'll find it works really well.

Duolingo takes account of how long it takes you to answer the question, and it takes account of whether or not you "peek" - whether or not you hold the mouse over the word to see what it means. The words that you keep getting wrong, or you keep having to "peek" at, it'll show you more often.

April 17, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DallasChelsea

I had the same thing happen to me. I lost at least half of my gold, all the way back to the third skill which has been gold for many weeks (it is quite basic). I had several skills drop from levels of 4 or 5 down to 1. Today I completed one new skill, and then had the gold status disappear about 10 minutes later. Something seems quite wrong. It will take me many, many days (weeks) for me to get back to where I was.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tyler983575

Because they want you to just not stop and prove to them you know every bit of it! This is also probably just to keep you on and not leave it (not saying you should leave it)!

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Turlur

This has the opposite effect. It makes me want to delete the app entirely and learn the language a more consistent way.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TracyS221

Can I ask you all which platform you use? It may not be relevant here as so many people report this sudden large drop, but I know that on the app, the strength of the words decreases much faster than it does for those using the web based version. You also strengthen more words at a time using the web version. Flash cards are even worse in my experience!

It could also have something to do with the fact that most people maintain their trees in a "just gold" state, so nearly 20% of your words will be weak at one time, it may just be that a small number of words from a large number of different skills dropped below that strengthening threshold on one day. Have you tried general strengthening lessons as they can strengthen across different skills? (This is the one on the home page, not within each skill.)

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MikeNolan6

Not sure the platform makes a difference, but I'm running Firefox on Windows 10.

There are just too many reports of this (across at least a half dozen threads) for it to be a programming error, seems more like a deliberate change in the algorithm.

I don't mind going back to review, I just wish Duo would be more forthright when they make changes like ths.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TracyS221

The main difference is between the app and the website - I guess you're using the website which should be to your advantage - however there is now an official explanation as pointed out by Jrikahl above.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chartreux

It may mean that they've added new words to several categories (let's hope so). I just went from 61% to 54% from the time I went to bed to when I got up. :0

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hermione256

I did notice some new phrases doing an exercise in French, so maybe the lessons were all updated with new material, hence why our strengths all dropped?

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cathbd42

None of my strengths dropped, so I'm not sure if that's it either.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BaroldThe1

That is strange. I checked my Spanish tree - I'm about half finished and it is still all gold. My fluency increased this morning from 47% to 48%. I gave you a lingot for your trouble. :)

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandy944184

That could explain a few things. Let me clarify: I have a degree, and am already bilingual (French/English), so thought I'd check the French course before I send students and friends to try it out. I noticed a few errors in the French course last night, and then was booted from a "test out" page.... which would have been hilarious had it not been so odd.

Anyway, if there are glitches in the website, I'll just continue refreshing my other language skills until the French is resolved. Thanks for notifying this problem, by the way. That at least explains why a native speaker cannot succesfully complete the French course ;) :D Much appreciated.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

I'll just continue refreshing my other language skills until the French is resolved.

It'll only be corrected if errors are reported by the community (using the button dedicated to that) during the lessons.
By taking the course and reporting the errors you detect, you'll help the volunteers taking care of the course to detect the errors and, then, to correct them.

That said, the French course for English speakers is probably one of the courses with less errors (as it is one of the oldest ones).
Would you have some example of errors you encountered (Énoncé de l'exercice + type d'exercice(*) + réponse donnée + correction donnée par Duolingo) ?

(*) write the translation into English of the text written in French ? write the translation into French of the text written in English ? Select (in the list) the correct word ? Select ALL correct answers (among the three possibilities)? and so on...


That at least explains why a native speaker cannot succesfully complete the French course ;)

Mmm... They (We) can.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/david190612

Hi Mike, Hang on in there. I got to level 16 yesterday and nearly the whole of my tree dropped out of gold, it even meant doing basics again!!

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Midnightwards666

How much does the gold actually matter though? I see it dropping, though as long as I know for myself I still know the words, for me it's not a problem.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandy944184

I wondered that.... the bits I've had to cover to access the areas of vocab that I know I need to cover... I won't revise those again unless I have to in order to continue access to the course.

April 20, 2017
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