https://www.duolingo.com/Luis

Activity Stream Announcement

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Dear Duolingo Community,

Due to performance issues and only a small percentage of total user adoption, today we needed to remove Activity Streams from the Duolingo experience. We want to take a moment to explain why and what’s next for community interaction.

Why?

While we will miss many aspects of the Duolingo Activity Stream, it added a very large load on our infrastructure, has become unsustainable to maintain, and is written in old code—thus incompatible with our upcoming web rewrite. Duolingo’s performance was extremely slow (or down) today due to the stream, so we decided to remove it a little earlier than expected in order to make everyone’s current experience run smoothly.

Unfortunately, the Activity Stream was like a very old car that you have to spend lots of money and time to keep up. Instead, we decided to use that money towards saving up for a new car, which is coming soon.

What’s Next?

A faster website, to begin with. We are also investing in rewriting the Duolingo Forum. This will not only make it faster, but also enable features that surface higher quality content and discourage pesky spam. In addition, we plan to incorporate better tools to communicate with other learners. We understand that social connections are essential, and we plan to expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible.

Thank you for your ongoing understanding as we work to provide free language education!

--Luis (CEO)

April 18, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/Gerardd88
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Are there any plans for features that would replace other functions of Activity (apart from the obvious chat/communication feature). I'm mainly talking about:

  • Being able to see your last comments on the forum and links to them. I've used the forum quite often and being able to go to my profile to find the discussions I wrote under recently was very helpful. Especially when I was helping other people learning my native language under the sentences on the Polish forum.

  • Being able to see other people's achievements and progress, level-ups, fiinished trees etc. I believe this was hugely encouraging for many people.

Of course the communication feature is the most important thing. What about exchanging materials/resources with other learners? Exchanging experiences, remarks, tips about courses, learning in general? Reporting to the moderators? I know the forum is also supposed to be a place for similar things. But it was evident that Activity could be used for a whole lot of things too small or too personal to be a reason to make a separate post.

If you keep removing the most useful features, each time quoting only some dubious "percentage", most of the old, dedicated learners who work here for days, reach the level 25 or finish many of the trees will soon be gone. I don't know if losing loyal users just to have more inactive accounts for the statistics is the goal of all this. I'm really disappointed with this decision.

I don't mean to be disrespectful. I love Duolingo and I feel gratitude and admiration for all the people who created it. I just don't like the way the users (especially long-time users) are being treated recently. The Immersion, information on the incubator courses, A/B tests without asking, no answer for countless feedback about the forum, like removing downvoting because of that downvoting plague; and now the Activity. Duolingo certainly wouldn't suffer from getting a bit more feedback-friendly.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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What do they care about old dedicated users, Gerard? That mattered to them when they wanted us to translate stuff for them to sell. If they're bringing in adverts they will only ever care about footfall and large ostensible numbers of sign ups - doesn't matter whether they use the site or whether those who do learn anything from it.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

This is sort of separate, but you mentioned that ideas in the forums are being ignored. I don't know how many have been ignored, but my personal opinion on the following idea

like removing downvoting because of that downvoting plague

I definitely agree with you, it is SO annoying when spammers hijack posts - especially good ones. But I'm sure moderators are extremely grateful for the downvote button. Spam is removed in five to ten minutes. Now that the streams are removed, five or more downvotes is effectively removing a post. We would need a lot more forum moderators without downvoting. It is my personal opinion that downvoting is a necessary part of all forums to avoid spam.

However, I do respect your point. I am just pointing out that a lot of the suggestions in the forums are not good ones. Also, if a member of the DL staff or a mod comments on an idea explaining why this might not be so great, the staff member may not feel like saying the exact same thing when a similar idea pops up. So it is possible that the staff are browsing the forums, looking for features to add.

May 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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Just like immersion, no prior notice to enable people to find ways to remain in contact with friends.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/lushberry

My view on this; one lingot for you!

April 19, 2017

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Actually, I heard through the grapevine that it was going away sometime last week. So, sadly, there is more to the story than you think!

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Lento_Rodriguez
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I hope the tree doesn't get to be too much trouble.

I wish I could have said goodbye to more people, I hope I get to see them in the forums. :(

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Yeah this will probably put a greater strain than ever on the forums, everyone trying to chat with each other some how.

April 18, 2017

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I agree totally with you Lento. Thanks to the Russian department we received a 6 day warning. How very sad that a plan was not in place to help people maintain their support systems as they attempt to work on their languages all by themselves. Are groups of users able to have a discussion forum in order to keep each other updated with their accomplishments and to ask each other questions about the trees that they are doing? I am grieving as if I have lost a group of supportive friends (because I have) However there is no wake or funeral to attend. There is no promise of Heaven. There is just shock and loss. I have gone through box of tissues.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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Odelia, I am so sorry about your friends and you losing connection. It is really traumatic to have it happen. :-(

April 19, 2017

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Camilla, What I lost is the same thing each one of us has lost. We can no longer talk to more than one person at a time. We cannot problem solve together. We cannot congratulate each other when there are accomplishments. We cannot 'blow off steam' and have fun together. We no longer have a community.

April 20, 2017

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From Luis' comments, this is likely temporary.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/writchie4
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"Temporary" and "soon" are very obvious weasel words in the context of "when is a feature coming out?". Does his comment not bring back memories for you of how "new moderator tools are coming soon", or how "improvements to the incubator are coming soon", or how "we'll have more items to buy in the shop soon"? It's always the same story and these things always take months to show up, if they ever actually do.

Sure, it's possible that they will add some new "community" feature in the coming weeks to bring back some sense of personal communication, but judging by the speed of such enhancements in the past, one would have to be exceedingly naive to expect that.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Deliciae
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@writchie

I know that wasn't what the link was meant to illustrate, but the whole "Our metrics go down when we make people actually learn a language instead of letting them pick the right words based on capitalisation, so we can't change that" chain of reasoning is even sadder than the soon™ situation.

I'd usually reserve my bitterness for your stream, but you know...

April 20, 2017

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very interesting... that is not at all what I understand from his comments.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Fantatico
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Are you sure? We can't really trust him. Many people think that Luis is a super liar.

April 23, 2017

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I wish...!

January 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ripcurlgirl
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Yeah I agree Leno - a flippin' announcement of its pending removal would have been a small show of politeness. It seems Mr CEO doesn't even follow his own guidelines!

April 18, 2017

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I feel you, i had many German friends that i can no longer talk to.

January 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tomgotbored

first immersion, now the activity stream :(

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/silviavezzo
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That inglorious end! :-(((

April 22, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/silviavezzo
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That inglorious end!! :-(((

April 22, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Luis
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...and then the whole website! :) (j/k)

April 18, 2017

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Sadly, Dr van Ahn, it does not feel like a joke. The site we loved is changing into something we do not love and although we fully understand the cost difficulties the manner of implementation; no prior notice, no real explanation of what, if anything might replace it makes many of us wonder whether you care about your users, or if we are simply guinea pigs in your experiments. This is not an idle comment, but a genuine concern.

Thank you for having given us the opportunity to use the old Duolingo, it was a great site.

April 19, 2017

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Exactly. I agree wholeheartedly. The features that have been being implemented are not worth what the community keeps losing. At all.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/tomgotbored

Thanks for this reply, Ifphigenia, you've put into words exactly what I was trying to say last night when I saw his response -- I was upset by what he said because truly, this is what it feels like is happening. (And before he edited it, the little smiley face and the j/k at the end of the sentence weren't there, so it didn't feel quite as friendly) :')

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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There is nothing vaguely funny about the way the changes are implemented and his original post gave the same "low user adoption" excuse but that is hardly surprising considering that ,despite numerous requests, neither Activity nor Immersion were available on the app, which has the majority of users. The site being next, a joke? Possibly but it too has "low user adoption", so who can be sure?

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/spelaeus
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I wonder why something that has 'low user adoption' should at the same time manage to be so busy that it threatens the whole set-up?? After the murder of Immersion, this was the last way one could keep in contact with the genuine community of friends we have built up in DL. It is no fun any more at all.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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@spelaeus

why something that has 'low user adoption' should at the same time manage to be so busy that it threatens the whole set-up

Luis already gave his answer to that in this comment of this current discussion.

April 19, 2017

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Gena, I suspect that spelaeus is a philosopher! :) He is able to turn a statement upside down and inside out and negate the original message. Would you agree?

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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Evelyne, I couldn't possibly comment. :-))

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/chirelchirel
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Yes, exactly. I hope Luis will address this once it's daytime where he is.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/knittingirl
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Thank you, Gena. I really do feel like a guinea pig right now, and Luis' "joke" is in extremely poor taste.

There is really nothing more to say that others haven't already said better, but I will add my voice to those asking for a clear timeline and outline of the features of activity 2.0. Many of us are making a decision of whether to leave DL altogether; if the replacement is going to be so awesome, telling us what it is might convince us to stay.

KG

April 19, 2017

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I totally agree with you Ifphigenia. These are true words.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Magalie48

@ Ifphigenia I couldn't say this in a better way. "Or if we are simply guinea pigs in your experiments," exactly expresses how also I feel myself.

May 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/tomgotbored

lol, really though it would have been nice to know about it before everyone was confused as to where it had gone... thanks for the update now though

edit: for real tho has the CEO of Duolingo actually just been rude to me... on Duolingo lol

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Luis
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I didn't mean it as rude! Sorry!

No more humor for me for today :(

April 18, 2017

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Could you please let us know when you will delete something?
If I would know stream would be gone today, I would have sent my last words to my Duo friends.

April 19, 2017

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Send them here! Last words: the more that you read, the more that you will know. The more things that you know, the more places you'll go.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/tomgotbored

hahah, don't worry, I appreciate your reply. and all your hard work :)

April 18, 2017

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It was NOT very nice, Luis! You gave us something, which we treasured and enjoyed. Then you just snatched it away without warning. You broke our heart! Please give it back. Thank you! ;((

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/WaterPolyglot
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But I like your humour...sniffle...

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

Ouch.

April 19, 2017

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Luis,

I agree with the folks that probably you knew in advance that Activity stream was going away. It could be better communicated.

Secondly, some sort of site based chat functionality is needed or else the forums are going to be a lot more messy. Activity/stream profile allowed for such function. Even for administrative purposes, moderators use that function to communicate with users.

Better get some functionality back. Maybe you could have limited activity stream that goes only a day back. Would that relieve the site some load?

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

Or as I suggested below, they could cut out everything but the chats. Couldn't that work too?

April 20, 2017

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It would help. Certainly as a temporary measure. As a long-term solution it doesn't preserve all the value of activity.

I suspect though that getting rid of activity while keeping messaging, except in the very limited manner they have, would be a lot of work.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

Unfortunately I don't know enough about programming and websites to agree or disagree with you on that last point. I'm just brainstorming ideas; maybe Luis or another staff member will see one or two.

April 20, 2017

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I like both these ideas. Keeping the activity stream comments visible for one day only would give us even more motivation to keep our streaks. And frankly, I never needed to know things such as "User X completed skill X," just direct comments between users and notations to comments they made in the forums.

January 26, 2019

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Let me address a few things as a moderator.

Communication

First of all thank you for the kind of heads up that we received last week. Even though the information was sparse it is appreciated.

While I do appreciate that we receive some information, I would appreciate it a lot more if the information we receive is a bit clearer. I understand that with some contributors/moderators not being able to keep information to themselves it might not be desirable, but let's have a look at the message here:

  • only a small percentage of total user adoption

Looking at the removal of immersion users could understand it a lot more when they were informed about how few people actually used it. In this case it probably would do the same.

  • A faster website
  • rewriting the Duolingo Forum
  • better tools to communicate with other learners
  • expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible

All great news. Though, while I understand you cannot tell exactly what it is that you are planning the main thing that bugs me is: as soon as possible. It's a great term, since nobody can come to you in a week, a month, a year and say ...but you told us we would have it by now. However, considering the removal of the activity stream, having some indication of when as soon as possible is would be nice, as this also affects how acceptable/bearable the removal will be.

What now?

Duolingo is not a social media platform and the forums are intended for discussions regarding (learning) languages and Duolingo. Though at the same time Duolingo has invested in social interaction with the activity stream and will do so providing "better tools to communicate with other learners" and by expanding "social features and capabilities". Either way, Duolingo seems to be in favour of social interaction between users, yet at the moment the only feature that is available on Duolingo at the moment that provides this opportunity is the forum.

It's fairly obvious that some users will (try to) use the forums as their "activity stream" for a chat etc.. What I would like is some clear communication on what you want moderators to do with people that use the forums to have a chat. Do what we have always done? Or turn a blind eye until you release a replacement for the activity stream?

Users have made friends on here, have always been told to not share personal information (although they could link their facebook profile) and have been able to communicate with each other through their streams. So in that regard you cannot blame them for wanting to use Duolingo to communicate with their friends. However, the forums are not meant for that and I would guess that plenty of users are not very keen on seeing loads of "chats" appearing.

Either way, I am expecting some frustration. Users will get frustrated that they are unable to communicate somewhere. Other users will get frustrated by the amount of posts that are irrelevant. Moderators will get frustrated because they already have enough spam to deal with and things haven't been made any easier for them.

Hence, some indication of what is expected of the moderators and the users would be helpful. Perhaps an indication on when as soon as possible is will do to since people will know if they'll have to be patient for a (few) week(s) or for much longer.

I will leave it at this. Send me an email if you are interested in any other concerns I have.

April 19, 2017

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The business about 'don't share personal information' = don't tell anyone how old you are etc is a bad joke and we all know it. TPTB really must think we're all stupid. We can all tell, by and large, who is what sort of age - at least when reading people who are native speakers of our own language. We don't need to be told. The real problem oversharing is when people do exactly what the site prompts them to do and fill in the 'real name' and 'location' slots on the profile without thinking about what they are giving away about themselves - I suspected it and I checked on a couple of accounts (sorry, a/b test people, I'm not really stalking you) . It can take as little as one google search to be looking at someone's home address. And that's without the Facebook and LinkedIn buttons.

April 19, 2017

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The real problem oversharing is when people do exactly what the site prompts them to do and fill in the 'real name' and 'location' slots on the profile without thinking about what they are giving away about themselves...

Exactly!

And for those who added links to Facebook, removing such a link appears to be a very tough task.

April 19, 2017

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*to Facebook - "Facebook" is a proper noun, so no article.

And this is a perfect example of how the activity was useful. In the past I'd have put this on your stream without needing to clutter up the forum.

April 20, 2017

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Exactly, I've had benign stalkers slay my mistakes (I call the most annoying ones were-wolf and article-wolf) and I've actually learned something from the constant feedback. And I've seen others benefit from this too.

April 20, 2017

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Thank you Theron, I have removed "the" from my comment.

I couldn't agree more.

April 20, 2017

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There's an important difference between "what sort of age" and "what age". If a creepy person knows that someone's a child, that means they can assume they're at school. If that creepy person knows exactly how old that child is, they know which school year they're in, and that's another piece of information they can use as part of that process you described of tracking someone down.

April 19, 2017

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The margins for error multiply with age, though, don't they. I'm sure I might not know a 50 year old from 75 year old via posts here without a lot of interaction but I think most of us can tell an 11 year old from 15 year old from an adult with no difficulty at all. And frankly, knowing that floppywoppybunnydots is in year 9 is not going help anyone accost them in the street. Knowing that Violet Elizabeth Bott lives in Ottery St Mary or Truth or Consequences has rather different potential for those who are out to cause trouble.

April 19, 2017

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You're right about the locations. Knowing which school year someone's in is says a lot about their timetable, though - at the very least, whether they're at primary school or secondary. It's just as important not to publish that information.

April 19, 2017

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If you know which town and which school, yes. If you don't, it's meaningless. Whereas the acceptable data in one profile that has been very active recently ... If I were the parents I would be concerned. But then if I were the parent, it wouldn't be up there in the first place.

April 20, 2017

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Just to clear things up, staff didn't send that info out to all moderators. I only learned earlier today that several of us were supposed to have been included but weren't because of an accident.

Additionally, I would like to clarify that mods usually get very little news about incoming updates and most often we get none at all. So, I hope the forums will not think that mods always have behind the scenes info. And even more rare are any mentions of project timelines. And sometimes those projects get scrapped before implementation anyhow.

April 19, 2017

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In that case let's be transparent and show that the moderators/contributors that did receive information still knew very little, hence me saying the information was sparse.

This is the information I received concerning the activity stream:

  • "In the near future, Activity Streams will be removed from the Duolingo experience. Our team will announce the phase out to the community in the coming week."

In other words, I and at least some other people received information that the streams were on their way out. And that an announcement would be made soon enough.

The rest of the information was vague: near future and phase out. Which could be within a few days or in a month or so, plus there was no indication on how long the phase out would take.

The rest of the information on the new plans and the explanation why was similar as what was provided here.

Just to be clear

Some may have seen discussions in which people said they were informed by some moderator(s)/contributor(s) that the activity streams would disappear. Some may also have asked some moderators/contributors if this was true and they may have answered that they didn't know/don't comment on rumours etc..

The information I and some others received was internal communication. This means that we need to keep this information to ourselves and thus shouldn't share it with other people or discuss/comment on it.

Nobody asked me if the rumours were true, but if they had I only could have said that I was unable to confirm or deny any rumours.

  • If I do know something, I'm not allowed to share the information. It's up to staff to make announcements and hence I cannot confirm or deny any rumours.
  • If I don't know something, I cannot confirm or deny any rumours. In this case I did receive a head up that an announcement was going to be made. Though plenty of times in the past things have been announced without any prior knowledge. So if I don't know something, rumours might still be true.

So in the future if you want to ask a moderator/contributor if rumours are true: be aware that they cannot provide any information. Hence, don't expect moderators/contributors to confirm or deny any rumours.

April 19, 2017

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This is such an important point that needs to be underlined. I was asked several times and replied with "I officially don't know" because I neither wanted to lie to users, nor did I want to share internal communication (that is also based on trust). The third possibility would have been not to react. I honestly feel sorry for the users, but our hands were tied here.

April 19, 2017

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You could have advised to be prepared just in case without sharing anything.

April 19, 2017

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That would be as good as confirming it. Deliciae acted like El2theK above: "If I know something, then..." and we concluded we should be prepared, as she didn't have any reason not to deny the rumor if she didn't know anything. I'm grateful to her and Theron126 that I got in touch on other platforms before this.

April 19, 2017

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You could have advised to be prepared

It would have been confirming that it was going to disappear hence sharing internal/confidential information.

April 19, 2017

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@ Aria487 & jrikhal, guys, I think it's just a matter of putting it properly. No one can be sure about anything. The website can be down next week or month of who knows what else. If someone treasures conversations or explanations from his activity stream or wants to stay in touch with some friends, it's never too early to adivce having a backup plan even without confirming or denying anything.

P. S. Besides no one can be sure what might be added or removed next month. The only thing that is for sure is that changes will appear sooner or later.

April 19, 2017

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@Zeitschleifer in reply to "@ Aria487 jrikhal...":
I didn't say otherwise. I'm not sure if I'll live to finish this comment. I agree with you completely, but when I contact, say, MultiLinguAlex regarding a thing that might happen in the next week, could he/she really tell me what you just said without having me believe he/she actually does know something? If it was two months ago, sure. But when some people are told about this...

April 19, 2017

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How? I'm curious to hear your suggestion, because this really racked my brain.

April 19, 2017

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I advise people be prepared in general. I will keep doing that regardless if something is coming or not. So, folks should know right now that if I say be prepared, it is not a confirmation or denial. Change is a constant on Duolingo. Preparation for change is advisable 100% of the time. Please, if/when making preparations to change how you interact socially on the internet, apply these internet safety strategies. I encourage all mods to standardize in encouraging people to be prepared for change, whether or not change is coming.

April 19, 2017

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I agree with Aria! Hi Aria :) I also think Usagiboy7 is a wise philosopher :) 'No one knows what tomorrow may bring' I believe those are song lyrics.

April 19, 2017

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Usagiboy7 wrote:

I advise people be prepared in general. I will keep doing that regardless if something is coming or not. So, folks should know right now that if I say be prepared, it is not a confirmation or denial. Change is a constant on Duolingo. Preparation for change is advisable 100% of the time. Please, if/when making preparations to change how you interact socially on the internet, apply these internet safety strategies. I encourage all mods to standardize in encouraging people to be prepared for change, whether or not change is coming.

Thank you! I support your take on this and respect how you keep standing by it! I know that these are not just words, because I saw your comment in this thread six days ago: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22118074

I will quote a part of it here:

I can't predict what the future of Duolingo will look like, except that it will change and change and change. So, whenever I like something a lot I try not to get attached. And whenever I don't like something at all, I wait it out. That said, always good to have a plan B. Those who dearly loved Immersion together had a backup plan. Just remember to Practice Internet Safety.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Will there be anything to take its place? And just how exactly are the moderators going to function? I don't really think duolingo is going to get any better, and there is hardly one thing left that attracted me and kept me here all this time. Luckily I'm about done with the Spanish tree.

April 18, 2017

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Yes, there will be something to take its place. In the meantime, moderators will get a direct message feature that will allow them to do their job.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

That's a relief! I won't give up hope just yet ;) Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

April 18, 2017

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Thank you for understanding. As I said above, the Activity Stream was like a very old car that you have to spend lots of money and time to keep up. Instead, we decided to use that money towards saving up for a new car, which is coming soon.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

(But you still need something to get around while you save up.)

April 18, 2017

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Unfortunately, we'll have to be walking for a while. Yes, it got this dire :(

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

While I'll miss the streams for this time, best of luck with the improvements. :)

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

@minion.mark I have the same questions as you. I feel like a timeline would be very helpful. I think that maybe Luis himself doesn't know, but again, just a general "as soon as possible; it's next on our schedule," or a "we have some other stuff to clear up first," would be very nice and helpful.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Magalie48

Dear Luis, While getting rid of your old car you also risk little by little losing its qualified drivers and passengers. Anyway, I do not trust the Duolingo team anymore. What has happened once, may happen again.

May 6, 2017

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Two months on - any chance of an update on the new car?

June 19, 2017

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Thank you, Theron126!

June 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/lilyflower231

I know this is going to get buried, but I really do hope this doesn't turn out like Immersion did. You know, with it being taken away "to make room for better things", but ultimately making people not want to come back. So far, I will remain hopeful that something better (and serving the same purpose) will come along, because if not, I may have to start looking for other platforms. One of the things that attracted me to Duolingo in the first place was how social it was, and how different it was from other sites. I have yet to find another place that lets you translate real-life articles and connect with other users. But ultimately, if Duolingo keeps taking away the features that make it unique, it will no longer be any different from those mediocre sites, which would be a shame.

April 19, 2017

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Read this post, I think you'll find it offers what you are lokking for. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22228863

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/lilyflower231

I did see that last night, and am looking into it. Thanks though!

April 19, 2017

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Good. :-)

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Magalie48

@Ifphigenia. It was when wanting to share the above link with my contacts on Activity that I realized Activity was completely gone.

May 4, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/Magalie48

@ lilyflower231 "I have yet to find another place that lets you translate real-life articles and connect with other users." In the golden times of Immersion, one could indeed upload a wide range of articles other than the Wikepedia things, which was wonderful. Whatever the changes on DL are going to be, I'm afraid that my feeling of distrust towards Duolingo will never disappear.

May 4, 2017

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"I'm afraid that my feeling of distrust towards Duolingo will never disappear" I think that's the worst part of all of this. These things could have been handled so much better.

May 4, 2017

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How will the moderators be able to do their jobs? They leave notes on people's streams all the time explaining why a post was removed, or reassuring people, or asking people to do things.

April 18, 2017

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Mods will temporarily get a direct message feature that will allow them to do their job.

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/JohnBrower3

But we can't see our streams...

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

Based on previous comments, I think that people who don't know what they did wrong will get an email message from the moderator.

May 7, 2017

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Indeed. That's what Luis is referring to with "a direct message feature".

May 7, 2017

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Just to confirm, they will be able to do the things hugh mentioned but we won't be able to notify them of questionable behaviour (for now?) Or about languages that should be added to the Guide (even if it doesn't seem to affect anything) or what-have-you?

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/JohnBrower3

Yeah, but we can't see anything on our streams...

April 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/lilyflower231

What if a user needs to get in touch with a moderator? Like, if there is someone spamming in the discussions but it isn't really serious enough to warrant an abuse report?

April 19, 2017

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Just write a short note on their activity stream (I'm not joking) since the email notifications still work. Moderators have their notifications turned on, hence they can still act appropriately.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/lilyflower231

Ok, thank you!

April 19, 2017

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Immersion was understandable but this seems like a terrible decision. A huge part of learning languages here for many of us was the ability to interact with native speakers of our target languages in the activity. That's really the only reason I come back here, since my Russian is to a level where the tree doesn't have value anymore.

Besides conversing with natives, learners could also learn a tremendous amount by following people who are active in the forums - people like ShadyArc, mosfet07 and szeraja_zhaba in the Russian course. And for those people, Activity was often useful in seeing where help was needed. Without activity, some of those people who were active and helpful in the forums will leave, and those who remain will be less effective. What's going to be put in place to replace this, and when? If it's just the clubs or private messaging between users, that's not in any way a replacement.

Lastly - even if this decision was absolutely unavoidable, the way it's been handled is frankly appalling. You could and should have made an announcement a week or two in advance, so that people have time to save anything they want to save and make other arrangements to keep in touch with their friends. Even if a comparable replacement is in place soon, just cutting off activity without advance notice sends a very clear message that Duolingo doesn't care about its users. Immersion was the same way, and it's not like this wasn't discussed at the time.

April 19, 2017

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You could and should have made an announcement a week or two in advance, so that people have time to save anything they want to save and make other arrangements to keep in touch with their friends.

I second that.

April 19, 2017

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Well put Theron.

April 19, 2017

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Very clearly stated, Theron. Thank you.

April 25, 2017

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Only commenting about

Activity was often useful in seeing where help was needed. [...] What's going to be put in place to replace this

I'm not sure how people trying to help others were assisted in finding where to help by having access to others stream? If you end up in someone's stream isn't that you already mainly found who/where to help?

Well, I may be missing something, but I never used stream to find who/where to help.
"Sentence" tab of courses' forum has always been the useful tool for me to find where I could help with language (together with following all discussions in courses forums in order to see future questions that could rise up). Said tab looks (to me) as a good "replacement" (again, only speaking about the aspect "seeing where help was needed").

April 19, 2017

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I had a habit of checking the activity stream of a user after coming across his/her question in the Sentence section. More often than not I saw more not yet answered questions by the same user in other threads and replied to them if I knew the correct answer.

April 19, 2017

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Exactly.

April 19, 2017

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I received much immediate help in this way- waiting for someone randomly to show up in lesson discussions to assist sometimes took months-- and I suppose it will again. Like broadband back to dial up : /

April 19, 2017

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Yes, I do that too. I've answered thousands of questions that way.

April 24, 2017

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The sentences tab only showed comments on sentences that hadn't previously been commented. There wasn't any good way to see recent comments in sentences where you hadn't followed the discussion.

If I'm in a discussion in the Russian course and I get out of my depth, someone like, say, zirkul might see that in activity and drop in to help out, and vice-versa in the English course. Or I can send a message to any of my Russian friends here and one or more will see that and come and offer input.

Or someone is going through the tree and asking questions on several sentences that previously have comments, but only a couple are on discussions you're following. You can go to their activity and go through and answer several at once, when some might easily get missed otherwise.

I'm sure different people have different methods and activity was more use for some than others, but it certainly did have value.

April 19, 2017

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Definitely, a "last commented Sentences" tab would be a (¿the?) solution.

April 19, 2017

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Not a perfect replacement but it would certainly be a big improvement.

April 19, 2017

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This would cover like 99% of my use of the activity stream. I'm basically only using it as a workaround for this specific shortcoming of the forum. If we get a proper discussion forum that actually deserves its name, I'll happily give up the activity stream for it.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/LanguageLover.

In addition, we plan to incorporate better tools to communicate with other learners. We understand that social connections are essential, and we plan to expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible

When can we expect these new features?

April 18, 2017

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Hi Luis,

would it be possible to have staff publishing (soon, meaning today) the same announcement in the other general forums (for native speakers of another language than English)? At least for the languages spoken by (at least) on of staff members:

I don't think that only the English-speaking part of the community will be impacted by that change.
I read/know the decision has been taken suddenly, but it's now 8 hours this announcement has been released n English.

More generally, could this "posting in all forums" be done each time a so-"visibly-impacting"(*) change is done?
With staff members doing it on forums they speak the language of and, (only) for the other languages, asking for example the contributors.

(*) If in need of a "measure" of that, here some ideas:

  • if a large number of forum messages about the "issue" is anticipated, then it can be considered a "visibly-impacting" change
  • if after few hours the English version of the announcement went deeper than -10 votes, , then it can be considered a "visibly-impacting" change
April 19, 2017

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Last night (mind the different time zone), Aileme and I decided to inform the German users. You can read the explanation/summary here.

April 19, 2017

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Yes, it's how it'll be (slowly) dealt with probably.
But that's exactly my point: Duo should not (let think they) only care about English speakers and before publishing the English version of an important announcement, they should have it already being translated into other languages by their staff (not by contribs nor community) --- for the languages spoken by at least one of their staff members --- then release all the messages more or less at the same time (within 24hours).
Then for the languages no one at Duolingo speaks, they could nevertheless put the English version on the general forum of said language interface and ask the community if they could translate it (this request being each time the same template message written in said language).

April 19, 2017

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they should have it already being translated into other languages by their staff

I wholeheartedly agree. I guess it's simply not their priority, but they should care about this.

April 19, 2017

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It should be a priority though shouldn't it? Speakers of other languages are equally affected and it is only common courtesy to notify them at the same time as the english speakers.

April 20, 2017

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@MultiLingualAlex, I take your point about priorities and the history of poor communication but frankly I still feel that it shows a huge lack of respect to non-English speakers and is in fact, downright rude.

Please don't take this as a criticism of you or the other mods, the responsibility lies squarely with Dr Van Ahn and his staff.

April 21, 2017

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Again, I wholeheartedly agree. Communication is very important. I certainly understand that the staff has to prioritize because they are doing so many different projects at the same time - they have to carefully choose what they will do, to what extent and that's possibly why they only announce it in the English forums - but since they also have native speakers from multiple countries, they should put more emphasize on their communication channels in all important language forums. Either that or allow volunteers to translate that, but there is no consensus about it so far and that's the problem. To me, even though it would take a little time away for other projects, it is important to notify all users equally. On the other hand, communication was very bad in the past and has currently been improved, so I'm looking forward to how they will handle it in the future.

April 21, 2017

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The Russian forum has an announcement now, though not a complete translation (courtesy of lavendeltee): https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22230622

Edit: Looks like they have a full translation now.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

Jrikhal, I didn't see your comment till now. Thank you! This concerned me greatly. I had French speaking friends who had no idea what had happened; I had to tell them. Sharing important information can be handled far better on a language learning website.

April 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

I have a few questions. What about the current contacts and friends we've made? Will there be a way to continue to remain in touch once the "better tools to communicate with other users" are in place? Will we have seek each other out again? Will communication resemble the clubs?

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

My follow-up: I realize this isn't a social club but a language learning site. However, being able to practice with native-speaking friends and to receive and provide help is a beautiful thing. Language isn't learned in a vacuum...

April 19, 2017

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Absolutely, I have learned far more from discussions with native speaking friends than I ever learned from the trees.

April 19, 2017

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Conversely the idea that you can ever learn a living language without interacting with its speakers is ridiculous and pointless.

April 19, 2017

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Duolingo's Activity Stream was the only place where I could ask for help for Dutch not in the course (excluding the forum, as I didn't want to clutter it), now with the Activity Stream gone, I have no way of asking native speakers directly how certain things work :/

I love [the old] Duolingo, but at this point I'm a bit dismayed because of all this, the Activity Stream was extremely useful.

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Just so you know, you can still talk to your friends it will just show up in their email notifications and you won't be able to see what you posted.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

BTW I don't consider the communication options in the clubs as comunication.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

And neither do I.

April 19, 2017

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Nor me, I prefer to choose my own responses.

April 19, 2017

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Et moi non plus !

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/S._Brown

I don't either.

April 19, 2017

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Hi Shan, What languages have you been working on? I signed up on Jo's site today. How will she be able to tell me if I have been verified? Also, would you and Anne please teach me how to use the site? I am so happy that I have not lost you two. ML signed up in January, I think. Lento signed up today. He said we will figure things out together. He started doing the French tree this year :) I will still be able to practice Spanish with him :) How's the weather in Jamaica? I believe Ifphigenia has helped Jo put the site together. I can hardly wait to start on this new adventure with our little group hugs and smiles

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/S._Brown

Hi Ev! hugs back and smiles You could reach out to Jo about your account verification here:https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22228863

I will respond to you on the site :-)

Edited: It says your account is verified :)

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

I realize this, but for how long will that be possible? Ch-ch-changes are coming.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/S._Brown

I agree.

April 19, 2017

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Merci M. Bowie ;D

April 19, 2017

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I am really sorry to lose the activity stream as it was one of the things that made duolingo so addictive. Without it I doubt that I would have become so obsessed with languages.

But without activity I would really like full access to the forums restored. Only new posts will scroll. I have no way to access individual forums except for the most recent six or so posts on each. I was relying on the activity stream to make me aware of interesting posts and now I feel very disconnected from the community that has been a big part of my life for very nearly three years. I will keep using duolingo because it works so well and I am well and truely hooked but please don't squander all the good will you have with long term users by taking our community away. I have stuck around through other negative changes, putting up with something is very different than approving it, which I think is what many of your A/B tests fail to show you.

April 19, 2017

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This! Putting up with negative changes and using the site despite of them don't equal accepting. I've been wondering about this for a long time. Statistics can't tell you everything, so why does the staff seem to solely rely on them? Is the amount of new users really that important? Is growth the only thing that matters? Especially as it's clear that Duolingo can't handle more users. I really wonder about the staff member's prioritieson developing the site. My experience is that the site hasn't been improving at all during the almost two years I've been using it, but there has been a lot of changes for the worse.

April 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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Duolingo don't just measure the number of new users, they measure the effect of their changes on user learning and user retention.

Duolingo is moving the site to new code precisely so that the site will run faster, and thus be able to handle more users.

April 20, 2017

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And what about old users, then?

April 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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It's moving it to facilitate advertising.

April 20, 2017

[deactivated user]

    Two days after Activity disappeared, my account changed to the new code and I started seeing ads on the website... for anti-wrinkle treatments. I think you may be correct!

    April 25, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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    The cheeky oiks, I hope you ad blocked!

    April 25, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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    Possible... not sure. ;)

    April 20, 2017

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    We're still a community bookrabbit, we've just moved house. Together.

    April 19, 2017

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    But I was so happy here....

    April 19, 2017

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    Sniff... :-(

    April 19, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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    :'-(

    April 19, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/TygerOfFlames

    But what about those of us (like me) who can't go to other places, for reasons like family restrictions or restrictions from the country we live in? Duolingo is one of the only places I'm allowed to use, I can't just go chat on other sites like a lot of people.

    April 22, 2017

    [deactivated user]

      @CharFyreTyger: Hey little tigress, some of us are still here with you! Hang in there; you've almost made it to 200 days!

      April 25, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/TygerOfFlames

      @Rrkeagle Don't worry, I'll stay for now. Especially because of people like you.

      April 25, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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      yes, hang in there CharFyreTyger!

      April 27, 2017

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      If you ever want to chat, we'd welcome you at CT if you aren't already there.

      Edit: I hadn't checked my CT account lately; thanks for friending me :)

      April 19, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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      Only new posts will scroll. I have no way to access individual forums except for the most recent six or so posts on each.

      Scrolling down doesn't display more messages (after some seconds) for you?
      It works fine for me.

      April 19, 2017

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      It hasn't worked since they first stopped the activity streams loading more than the last few hours content. I don't get any load more button appearing the way it used to.

      April 19, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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      Strange...

      So opening this forum, you don't see more than 7-10 comments even if you scroll down the page?

      Did you try with other browsers? In order to try to narrow down the origin of the issue.

      April 19, 2017

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      That one being the new comments is the only one that seems to want to scroll, it has a spinning circle displayed, although no more posts are appearing. This is the way my activity stream had been behaving since they all went down that one week.

      I use a kindle and so can't use a different browser as I don't own a computer.

      April 19, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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      I use a kindle

      Oh, I don't know the version of Duolingo used under Kindle, so I'll not be able to give useful ideas of what to try.

      April 19, 2017

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      I've experienced some trouble as well. Sometimes I had to force-refresh the page to be able to access older posts by scrolling. (And I was updated at the time)

      April 19, 2017

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      It was rather obvious after what happened to Immersion

      April 18, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/Aria487
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      Mr Von Ahn, with all due respect, I see no harm in repeating what's already been said: Would it be so hard to notify users of this before it's done? We're not guinea pigs, but I, for one, feel like one right now.

      Wouldn't it be better if you made a rude discussion saying "In the next two weeks, the activity stream will be removed and it'll be a while before we implement something like it. It just doesn't go with the new code intended for better performance." and locked it, instead of suddenly removing it and leaving us in confusion? People have made friends here and not everyone have alternatives to contact each other. In fact, most people don't.

      This manner of staff-to-users communication, like what happened with Immersion, is insulting.

      (minor edit)
      (minor edit)

      April 19, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

      insert sad pool of tears

      Will anything like the activity streams be introduced?

      April 18, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

      We will just have to chat on discord now I guess. :(

      April 18, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/TygerOfFlames

      I can't use Discord or CT, though. What do people like me do when everyone else has left and we're all alone? All the best, smartest users use other sites. Eventually it's just going to be a handful of moderately good users and a bunch of new people who just want to spam, or redo the same three lessons for all time. (No offence meant to new users, I'm exaggerating to make a point. I'm certain most new users are lovely people, it's just that there might not be a lot of good new users if they keep taking the best things away.)

      April 22, 2017

      [deactivated user]

        Youngtigress, you can write to me here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22325676 : )

        April 25, 2017

        https://www.duolingo.com/Zeitschleifer
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        I like your idea about a thread in the forum :-)

        April 25, 2017

        [deactivated user]

          I must give credit to Portofan!

          April 25, 2017

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          Did they zap your thread? The page doesn't exist...
          Heaven forbid that someone find a way to talk to people here, I guess...

          July 18, 2017

          [deactivated user]

            Maybe they are cleaning up the forums on the old code... try this: https://www.duolingo.com/event/9811298737 I've been think about your trip... it must be getting close!

            July 18, 2017

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            Theron, Do you sometimes wistfully reminisce about your promised Norwegian bride?

            July 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/DreamingOdelia
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            Hello sweet Juiette smiling How have you been my role playing story teller? I shall long remember the night that you, Aria, Cam and Alex, Iris, Prometheus and others had such an adventure withe that 'magical' bush ;) May we have such adventures again...

            July 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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            I miss those times, too. I've been unable to contact Jules, and I tried Khan Academy, but it would not let me get to any other user pages. For those not on CT, I miss you guys so much. I deeply hope we can meet again soon under better circumstances, but know I've been thinking of all of you.

            July 19, 2017

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            What is CT?

            July 20, 2017

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            Well hello mischievous sir! Do you know the whereabouts of a certain magical bush? If so, keep it safe ;) I ran into Aria on my discussion of 'My Dream Activity Stream' I had 2 wishes. 1. That we will be able to edit on the stream like we can on Discussions. My second wish was to have etiquette guidelines for the use of The Activity Stream. Poor Aria is so depressed. He said his only wish was for the Activity Stream to exist again. How is your leader board looking? Over half of the people on my list have left or hardly participate. I see that you are still going strong! Belated Congrats on your 200 day streak. Till we meet again...

            July 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/TygerOfFlames

            I remember that time dearly. I wish Luis would actually keep a single promise he makes instead of hiding behind the words "better" and "soon".

            November 30, 2017

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            Good morning Evelyn :-) To tell you the truth, with everyone teasing me about Russian girls all the time I'd completely forgotten about her...

            July 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            This may be a dumb question but why can't you use discord? Would you mind elaborating?

            April 25, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

            Ask Jo to tell you about CT :P

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            Jo?

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

            JoThelan duh. Sheesh Myke :P

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            BTW how am I going to contact her? Make a public post Hi I would like to speak to JoThelan!

            April 18, 2017

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            I'd try posting here You should be able to use that post to confirm the account on CT.

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            Yeah sorry I already tried to create an account there a while ago and couldn't figure it out.

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

            Just load her profile and the chat box should load too?

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

            Welp wrong reply button oh wells

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

            Myke dear it's called email notifications :P

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            Eh Annie dear I haven't seen any chat boxes. I'm not sure where I would type exactly.

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Luis
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            Yes! We will have much better tools soon. I promise.

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/._Linden_.

            How soon?

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/lilyflower231

            But will they serve the same(ish) purpose? Will they allow users to send a message to another user, while still having other people be able to see it and join in the conversation? Will there be a way to see what your friends have recently commented on and link to that comment? That being said, I really do hope this doesn't turn out like Immersion did, with it being taken away "to make room for better things", but ultimately making people not want to come back. So far, I will remain hopeful that something better (and serving the same purpose) will come along, because if not, I may have to start looking for other platforms.

            April 19, 2017

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            I hope you take into consideration what is written on this article about how to enable friendships on games (which essentially Duolingo is) http://www.lostgarden.com/2017/01/game-design-patterns-for-building.html?m=1 In my opinion, the activity did a very good job in providing a platform where friendships could happen. I truly hope that this new and improved something you are planning will do the same. If it doesn't it will not be an improvement for the users even though it might be an improvement for you.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AnIsAPandah

            Great! :)

            faints because the CEO of Duolingo answered me

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/LanguageLover.

            Ah Annie it's ok! frantically throws water on you

            April 18, 2017

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            You are so sweet and funny :) Comic relief is appreciated at times like these.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Teenage_Polyglot

            I'm sad to see it go, but I am confident that your team will be able to improve on the activity stream. I've been impressed with many of the new features introduced this year (Tinycards, bots, etc.)

            I do hope you consult with users on what you the new social features to look like. The Activity features have been one of the best parts of my 2 and a half years here, and i'd be sad to see them change in worse ways.

            Please keep these features:

            -public conversations (not DMs. For safety. Also, lurkers need to lurk xD)

            -a way to see achievements (Teenage_Polyglot leveled up!, etc). It was always fun to congratulate people on their achievements.


            That said, there was definitely things that could be improved. A smaller tab within 'Activity' that separated conversations and achievements would be neat.


            Finally: I would be willing to donate money to you guys. I'm fine with ads (in the language I'm learning is a plus). But when you take away one of the greatest features of this site, something needs to change. If you do it well, I don't think most users will care about monetization changes. Duolingo Plus is a good start, but please keep moving.

            Thank you for all you do to keep this site running. I know this wasn't an easy decision.

            Happy learning!

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            Yes plus public conversations makes stronger communities. I always thought that was such a cool feature.

            April 19, 2017

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            these are all excellent points Teenage_Polyglot!

            April 27, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Zeitschleifer
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            To everyone who was caught unprepared and still would like to exchange contacts with their friends - as of now accounts that were able to post in activity streams appear to be still able to do so. The post cannot be seen after you refresh the page just as the whole stream cannot, but the recipient can reply to it via the link from his email notification. After you receive the link with his reply too, both of you can continue talking there.

            An example: https://www.duolingo.com/event/9780292000

            I expect them to disable it too, but for now it in fact can work as private messaging. This adds a very interesting angle to the top comment by Usagiboy7, which I completely agree with.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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            From 'creating language-learning communities' to actively seeking to destroy them, trying to stop people from talking to each other in order to sort out the misunderstandings being disseminated by courses that are full of errors.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/juryrigging
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            I used activity to check back on what I'd posted to threads (particularly in language sentences forums). Will the new tools give us similar functionality? Will it be easier to navigate various threads?

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/EternalEmpress

            Hi Luis,

            I don't mean to argue with you here, but below, you commented "Keeping something up, even if it's not used very often...", and I'd like to make a statement opposing that.

            The Duolingo Activity stream has been used every day be my friends and I, not to mention the thousands of other Duolingo users as an important way to communicate, share information concerning language learning, and encourage one another.

            It's also a great way to mark your progress and show your friends that you've completed a skill, leveled up, or started learning a new language.

            For so many years, it has been a useful and fun part of learning on Duolingo. If you had been planning to take it down, why not arrange for a substitute for users to utilize during construction for the new features? You left us hanging, and that's probably why so many users are upset with this situation, and opposed to any new features.

            I understand that you're doing what's best for Duolingo, and that one can't always make everyone happy. We probably would have been much more open to the idea if you had notified us of this change in advance. I honestly believe that gesture like providing a temporary replacement for the Activity Stream would really reflect your genuine concern for the loyal fans of Duolingo.

            Please don't get my intentions wrong. I'm simply trying to represent this situation from the users' end, in a less abrasive and argumentative way.

            Thanks for your time, Lily

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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            why not arrange for a substitute for users to utilize during construction for the new features?

            But a gesture like providing a temporary replacement for the Activity Stream would really reflect your genuine concern for the loyal fans of Duolingo.

            The problem would be the same: it would take anyway some time to implement them, so we'd still be without substitute/new features for some time.
            Moreover, creating temporary substitute would take developers away from implementing the new features thus delaying even more the new features arrival.

            No, the best (IMO), is that they ut all efforts in (creating then) releasing ASAP the announced "new features".

            And about "why" not having put in place something to replace, Luis shared an explanation

            we decided to remove it a little earlier than expected in order to make everyone’s current experience run smoothly.

            they preferred to left users without activity stream over what they evaluated would be the consequences if they let it live.


            The Duolingo Activity stream has been used every day be my friends and I, not to mention the thousands of other Duolingo users as an important way to communicate, share information concerning language learning, and encourage one another.

            Yes, there were probably hundreds of thousands using them but it's not incoherent with the fact that (in average among all Duo users) it wasn't used very often.
            Don't forget that the large majority of Duo users are app users (which don't have activity stream, I believe) and that among website users, many don't use the forums nor the activity stream, they just take their daily lesson and come back the next day.
            Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying it's not impacting deeply the users that were using it(*), just saying that said users are likely to represent a very few percentage of all Duo users. Hence if activity stream was time/money/...-consuming in a proportion far larger than the global (in terms of all users") benefit, it make sense to prefer to develop a replacement.

            (*) among which the moderators who needed it to explain why a discussion/comment had to be deleted

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/EternalEmpress

            Thanks for taking the time to write me a response.

            I really appreciate you explaining all this out to me, but it still doesn't solve the majority issue of, "What do we do now?". I hope that Luis will see this and understand that there may have been a better way to de-employ the Activity Stream that would benefit both Duolingo and its users. =)

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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            but it still doesn't solve the majority issue

            Because, it wasn't meant for that. ;)
            I can't answer that nor do anything about that, I'm not a Duo employee/staff member.

            The only answer I see to "What do we do now?" is "(Keep calm and) wait and see."


            hope that Luis will see this and understand that there may have been a better way to de-employ the Activity Stream that would benefit both Duolingo and its users. =)

            According to his comments, he was already seeing/knowing that but

            It was either this or no Duolingo at all. I chose this.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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            What you could try to do is to turn on your notifications and write a message on a user's stream. The user won't see the message on the activity stream, but you would get an email notification. That way, you're still able to communicate. But please be careful about what you write since there's always a way to find your new "private communication".

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Anneduol1ngo

            I don't think this works for everyone...it doesn't for me and a few mods plus others have tried to help. When someone posts me direct I can reply and we have a conversation until the screen is refreshed. After that nothing. I have been on the new site I think since I joined Dec 25 when people were telling me it was due to my being on an AB test and that I would get full functionality as soon as the test ended. I have never had Activity! Also I am here in the forum, looking pointlessly to reply to a post in this discussion I just had a notification of, but there are far too many posts here for me to find it. The name is NoNoEsImposible and I think (s)he had a good comment about not quitting DL for minor things but also talking about the ability to let DL know, I think by the up- and downvoting system and I wanted to see the context of the post. Now where has the facility to click on 'view discussion' that used to take us to the post gone? With that gone a large discussion like this becomes impossible to navigate. The 'view discussion' is there but it takes me only to the OP and there is no search facility so it is hopeless!!!

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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            @MultiLinguAlex

            (I already have the new site, but it sometimes switches between the old and new code as well, quite weird, but interesting to see)

            It's due to the fact that some pages haven't yet been revamped.
            For example all discussions pages (the forums' page and each discussion) are still under the old webversion. So even for the accounts that have been switched to the new version, they still have the old one for the pages that don't have a new version yet.

            May 9, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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            I know that this won't work for everyone. I didn't know that 2 weeks ago, though.

            As for NoNoEsImposible, the account is deactivated. Search this thread for "Perhaps I don't understand" and you will find one of their posts (I found it because jrikhal directly referenced to this user).

            Now where has the facility to click on 'view discussion' that used to take us to the post gone?

            It's still easily accessible via the email notifications, or what do you mean?

            May 7, 2017

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            I think that particular message was deleted for some reason. I wanted to reply to it too. Another thing that sometimes happens is that whole sections of a large discussion end up in a parallel dimension and while I still get notifications of the messages I can't see them on the site. Apparently it depends on what language you have chosen in the settings. For me Duolingo is in English so sometimes I just can't have a discussion with those who use the site in French for example.

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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            The 'view discussion' is there but it takes me only to the OP

            If the discussion has a lot of comments, wait for several seconds to see if it finally goes to the comment. If it still doesn't after several seconds (like, up to 10 seconds), this simply means (up to bugs) that the comment has been either hidden (due to downvotes) or deleted (by staff or mods) hence it's normal to not be displayed.

            and there is no search facility so it is hopeless!!!

            There is your browser search engine, so it's not hopeless!!!

            If the page doesn't go directly to the comment, then the best case is that it's just hidden. Hence, you'll have to

            1. unhide ALL hidden comments (search "hidden" --- or the corresponding wording in your interface --- then click on every gray "hidden" button)
            2. copy from your mail notification a part of the comment you're looking for
            3. paste it in the search engine of your browser
            4. See if it finds it.
              • If it doesn't, it means the comment has been deleted

            EDITION:

            looking pointlessly to reply to a post in this discussion I just had a notification of, but there are far too many posts here for me to find it. The name is NoNoEsImposible

            The last message of the (now deactivated) mentioned account is still visible and the button in mail notification does bring to it (waiting few seconds after a first display of the OP). If even after waiting 10seconds after the OP is displayed you're still not sent onto the comment:

            1. Copy/paste "This is sort of separate" in your browser search engine
            2. If it doesn't work, then you can try to
              1. switch to another interface (=another source language) in case you're experiencing the bug described by chirelchirel.
              2. reload the page
            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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            @chirelchirel I noticed that too, but only during the last weeks. I assume that has something to do with the recoding of the site (I already have the new site, but it sometimes switches between the old and new code as well, quite weird, but interesting to see). I'm not sure, though.

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Zeitschleifer
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            @ chirelchirel & MultiLinguAlex, in December there was a comment in a thread I followed that some users could not see while others could. I guess it's the same thing you are talking about.

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Anneduol1ngo

            Why would a good post be removed? If the account is deactivated posts are left as far as I can see because I have seen posts in discussions where it says 'deactivated user'.

            Also it seems strange that NoNoEsImposible left having said only a couple of hours previously about not leaving, so are you sure?? I suppose you are or you wouldn't have said so but I just wonder what happened in the last couple of hours to cause this.

            And this time the button did work OK to get me here.

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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            "Why would a good post be removed?" Good posts aren't and won't be removed. What are you referring to?

            "Also it seems strange that NoNoEsImposible left having said only a couple of hours previously about not leaving, so are you sure??" No idea what happened. All I told you is how to find a post of that user and all I see is that the account has been deactivated. I also don't know whether the user did it themselves or anybody else.

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Strandfloh
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            I, too, feel I have lost friends. Much has been said about this, and I don't want to repeat that. I also don't want to repeat that I learned a lot from following other people with more knowledge. There are other points though.

            We are only a few days into this, and I see already a few changes in behavior.

            I often refrain from answering questions in the sentence discussions. Prior to the disappearing of activity

            • I could be sure that some of my followers were looking and could point out mistakes/typos if needed.

            • I was able to take a look myself a few hours later by clicking the link to see if I had made a mistake or wanted to add something.

            Both is no longer possible, and often I do not answer a question just because of that. We all know that it is close to impossible to find what und where you've posted recently, especially with sentence discussions which may have been started years ago.

            I'm also astonished about the way Duolingo communicates (not) with members. DL relies heavily on volunteers. Many of the language courses wouldn't exist without the course contributors who build a course without being paid, investing many many hours. From the outside it doesn't look like DL appreciates it:
            They started the paid streak repair without informing the moderators.
            They stopped immersion, again without informing the moderators (let alone users), and people didn't get a chance to save their work.

            I think as long as DL wanted to make money with translations, it was okay to be secretive and do all sorts of A/B-tests. DL had an interest to make people learn a language as fast as possible.

            But the financial goal has changed. They want to make money through the users directly, be it subscriptions or English tests. It would be sensible to change the way they treat users accordingly.

            Would I pay money to a company that has proven several times to cut off important features any given time? No. I do not have trust in such a company. Just imagine you had paid money for Duolingo Plus because you find the activity stream so awesome and want to support the company who offers such a unique feature, and the next day that awesome feature has vanished. Sure, you haven't been promised it will stay, and you did "only" pay for an ad-free version, but would you be willing to renew your subscription? Probably not (I wouldn't).

            I like the way I can learn languages here, I am grateful for the site and especially for the moderators, course contributors and helpers without an official status who are the soul of Duolingo, and I will continue. But I certainly "fell out of love", as someone else put it.

            Please excuse any mistakes; I am not a native speaker.

            April 23, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/chirelchirel
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            Exactly: the lack of trust is the worst. I suppose the honeymoon phase is over and it's time to really look at this relationship and see if it's worth all the time we've invested in it.

            April 23, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Portofan
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            People could create a personal topic in the forum, and link to it from their profile as a workaround.

            Edit: I suggest using one of the old abandoned skill forums for this, in order not to clutter the main forum. I hope staff will keep these running for a while. Please check my profile to see how it's done!

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/BlahBlah7137

            As a Duolingo user who frequently checks (stalks) other people's activity streams for interesting discussion (when I'm not strengthening my skills), I feel very devastated about this update because 1/5th of the time that I am on Duolingo, I am on activity streams and discussions. I hope the new version will be more efficient for you and for us.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

            What about just keeping the messaging? Not everyone used it, but it was important to those of us who did. Also, people have said that Duolingo doesn't need Streams, because it's not a social site. I disagree. It is very much a social site, in the way that being part of a book club is different from just reading a book. I'll be anxiously hoping for a replacement :/

            April 19, 2017

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            I learned a lot of Spanish with my "conversations" in the activities forum. I was in the midst of a great dialog with a Duolingo "friend" from Cuba when it all disappeared. I feel your pain.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

            Just so you know, they'll still receive the notification, both on site and in their email. But it's not the same because you have to send a separate message each time.

            April 20, 2017

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            You don't, actually - once you've got the email notification you can open the conversation from the email. For example: https://www.duolingo.com/event/9780292000

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

            Well, that's neat. People who know about pc's find a way!

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/EpicPowerHero

            I didn't, but I turned turned them on so I would see messages.

            April 23, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/TygerOfFlames

            Not all people have email notifs, though.

            April 22, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/SLEJ4
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            Maybe you can get rid of the "Activity" button also, as it doesn't show anything now. Thanks!

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Lento_Rodriguez
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            I've clicked it at least three times out of habit now. It taunts me.

            April 19, 2017

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            Lento, Levelling up is not going to be the same without the messages from you, DreamingOdelia and others... I am trying to give you Lingots for your Sunshine Distribution project involving newbies, but for some reason the system will not let me at the moment... will try again later.

            April 19, 2017

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            Thank you Luchair! I loved the encouragement we could give each other on the activity stream, I hope we get something similar to use.

            DreamingOdelia and I have just signed up at Jo's translation site https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22228863 I haven't really had a chance to try it out yet but come over there if you are not already.

            Thanks for the lingots, I will be sure to hand them out.

            April 19, 2017

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            Luchair, I do miss your sweet, gentle spirit on the Activity Stream. I fondly remember your Irish Tree Celebration. Do you know Aria? He finished his Irish Tree just days after we lost The Activity Stream. Sadly, no Irish Tree Celebration for Aria. It is difficult to round up Celebration Participants with just Discussions. When we get the Activity Stream back we should have one large Tree Celebration for all the trees that are finished during this Dark Time. Although I suspect we will have less than half of the finished trees than we would have had with the Activity Stream. I don't know how your Leader Board is looking but over half of the people on my Leader Board are at zero. As each week goes by there are more zeros. Are you continuing to strengthen your Irish Tree?

            July 18, 2017

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            Sounds like Duolingo is losing users (which is a good thing)... What's wrong with users celebrating finishing a course?

            July 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/S._Brown

            Me tooo! I've clicked it out of habit too...

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/SLEJ4
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            Nice shining sun!

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Lento_Rodriguez
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            Thanks!

            April 19, 2017

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            Nooo!!! I get nostalgic easily so seeing the Activity button gone is gonna very much sadden me :(

            April 19, 2017

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            I assume that won't happen for now. Until the new features will be implemented, mods will probably able to see at least some little activity and I guess that's why the button hasn't disappeared yet. But I get your point that it's psychologically not nice to see the tab all day.

            April 19, 2017

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            Hey Luis.

            Long time user; on-again/off-again/on-again moderator.
            Currently off-again user (as you can likely tell by my activity stream....oh...wait).
            For the record, I wasn't privy to the email Duo sent out to moderators.
            That's not really a surprise or disappointment to me anymore.

            Do you remember the email I sent you November 4, 2013?
            It was a reply to an email you sent me from your gmail account.
            You likely don't have it anymore.
            I still have mine.
            It meant a lot to me.

            Your unsolicited email to me read:

            Hi XXXX, Just wanted to personally thank you for all your contributions to the Duolingo community. You're incredibly helpful to new language learners and always very eloquent when dealing with tricky community issues :) Thank you! --Luis

            I replied and shared my personal story as to why I was desperate to learn German, and expressed my deep gratitude for the Duolingo website.

            You replied:

            Thank you! I'm sharing this with the team, since this is what motivates us to do better!

            I'm still eternally grateful for the website, and for how far it has allowed me to come with German. I honestly don't think I'd be at this level without Duolingo, despite having taken 3 university courses recently (with the exception of the speaking practice....the courses were almost pointless).
            I still don't feel I've lived up to my promise to my grandfather (see email if you still have it), but my desire to carry on has waned recently because of my disgust? disappointment? with the Duolingo team and to some extent the "community" (which Duo has created or allowed to fester into what it is). It's obviously my own fault for depending so heavily on Duolingo, but it would be remiss of me to not share Duo's role in my lack of want these days.

            In my email to you, I compared Duolingo to an "exercise book".
            In recent days/months/maybe year(s)?, it has felt more like a colouring book.
            The changes that you (the Royal you) make seem to consistently dumb down the courses. That's the nicest I can put it. If you don't know what I mean by that, and how things have been dumbed down, then you haven't spent enough time reading comments in the forums made by long time users (and possibly even course contributors). In particular, your app is not what it could be. Courses can be blasted through with 0 effort and 0 knowledge gained. Duo's direction seems to be aimed this way; make things easier so user retention is better. This is just like "no child left behind" mentality, and "everyone gets a trophy because we're all winners". Higher user retention doesn't mean your product is good.

            The removal of immersion further pushed Duolingo forward into "no child left behind!" territory. I am sure that it was a tax on the system, and the writing was on the wall for the longest time as it seemed like nobody at Duo headquarters seemed to care to even look at immersion in the months/year(s) leading up to it being removed. The handling of it notwithstanding, it was something that Duo offered to help bring users to a higher level (even if the intention was simply to make money). Now that's gone. (For the record, I didn't use it much, but was grateful for it when I did use it)

            The introduction of the schools feature was a great idea, and something I had hoped for and mentioned many years ago. Unfortunately, I don't think it was implemented very well. Now you have introduced an additional sub-group of users that don't want to learn a language to the website, where, for the most part, everyone else is here by choice. Other changes and efforts were made to accommodate these users. I can only wonder if some of the decision behind the activity stream removal was due to underage kids using it to harass one another etc. Throw in the mixing of adults and underage kids in one place, and you've got major issues. I wonder what percentage of the user base uses the schools feature and how much effort is going into that (and how it compares to immersion or the activity stream). I mean, if the percentage of users for the website as a whole is supposedly pretty low, then the subset of that percentage which are "schools" users must be pretty low. Right? That's neither here nor there though. I think I got distracted and started rambling. And I should really get back to work, so I'll conclude now...

            In my aforementioned email back in 2013, I wrote (avert your eyes children):

            I do ❤❤❤❤❤ and complain about Duolingo’s short comings once in a while (especially about grammar education) but this should only be interpreted as caring, not disdain.

            The "once in a while" is no longer "once in a while".
            I'm still eternally grateful for everything you've done Luis (and everyone else at Duo).
            However, if caring v.s. disdain was a best-of-7 NHL playoff series match-up, caring was ahead 3-0 in 2013. It's now 3-2 in the series, and it's overtime in game 6.

            I'm hoping that caring holds strong, but disdain has a 2 minute powerplay.
            Let's have some positive updates for a change, and put Duolingo back on track with language learning in mind instead of bubble-wrapped Babytown frolics. If money is what's holding you back, numerous quality suggestions have been made by your user base that would still allow you to provide the site for free to those that need it.

            Sincerely,

            Hohenems (signed for posterity's sake should disdain take the series)

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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            I'm so very glad you put this back.

            April 21, 2017

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            I'm so very glad you put this back.

            Did it disappear?
            If yes, it wasn't me.

            April 21, 2017

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            From my own tests (and similar previous cases), it has probably never been deleted.
            It's just that(*) it happens that some comments (in some discussions) aren't displayed under one interface but are OK under other interfaces.

            In the case of your comment (and the answers to it):

            • it doesn't appear (to me) on the discussion under the interfaces: DE, EN
            • it does appear (to me) on the discussion under the interfaces: AR, CS, EL, ES, FR, HI, HU, ID, IT, JA, KO, nl-NL, PL, PT, RO, RU, TR, UK, VI, zh-CN

            Note that in other cases (for other discussions/comments), the above lists are different. For example, this discussion returns me 404-error under ES interface but works under the 21 other ones.
            So it doesn't seem like a general pattern with this or that interface being buggy... Looks like a more complex mess.


            @those_to_whom_hohenems'_comment_disappeared (or those receiving a mail notification but not seeing the comment:
            Could you try to

            1. switch under English interface and reload the discussion and see if the comment is there
            2. switch under French interface and reload the discussion and see if the comment is there
            3. switch under Spanish interface and reload the discussion and see if the comment is there
            4. and/or to any other interface.

            (*) I noticed it 2-3 days ago, but it may have been there for long...



            EDIT: I completed the above with the exhaustive list of interface for which it's working for me and which it's not.

            April 21, 2017

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            I couldn't see it with the English or German interface, but I can with the French.

            EDIT: For the record, which languages work and which don't for me correspond with which work for Jrikhal, at least here. I haven't tried the linked discussion which works with everything other than Spanish for him yet.

            April 21, 2017

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            I must be shadowbanned exclusively from certain languages.
            I didn't think my English and German were that bad. :-(

            April 21, 2017

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            Merci jrikhal.

            Seems like Duo should be advertising for an entomologist position.

            April 21, 2017

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            Luis, the basic Duolingo language teaching functionality is pure genius, and your passion to make language learning free to everyone in the world is commendable. I hope very sincerely you are successful in growing Duolingo, and nothing I am about to say changes any of that.

            But 1) you are a language website, and you removed Immersion, the only truly "sandbox" feature of your gamified learning system. True, only a minority of users were using Immersion, but these are just the users you shouldn't want to lose: the committed, intermediate or advanced people who are passionate about language and making contributions to human knowledge.

            2) You are a website designed to improve communication, yet you have just removed the functionality that made personalized communication possible. Why should we "follow" people now? Does it even mean anything anymore? Again, just because a minority of people used Activity streams, I would argue that those users are the very ones you don't want to turn away. And once you have allowed people to bond and form friendships on their activity streams, it is unkind and de-stabilizing to take that away. I think you have a certain responsibility to those users who depended on Activity, to replace it with something even better... and soon, before they become discouraged. Many who think of Duolingo as a "happy place" do so because they had friends here that they didn't have anywhere else.

            3) Duolingo is a user-dependent, crowd-sourced website. So it only would make sense that Duolingo staff should be very transparent and proactive in communicating upcoming changes, and genuinely listen to user feedback. I am not confident that is happening. I hope I'm wrong. Just remember, people are so much more than their metric data.

            I've been around a long time and been a part of many organizations that went through "growing pains" and a few that are now defunct. Removing primary features and not communicating effectively with the base are some major red flags of organizational trouble. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'm rooting for you to make Duolingo even more accessible, with better community-building features, and maybe adding Latin in the next few years!

            As you're overhauling the Discussion forum, I'd recommend you to talk to Casey, the site owner at Ravelry.com, which is a knitting and fiber arts website with social networking, messaging, and discussion features. I've often thought that it has developed a better interface for discussions and messaging than Duolingo, and it accommodates a diverse and international group of users quite nicely. Though I have no real knowledge of computer programming and the particular challenges Duolingo faces, I have to respect the way he grew his site from a small start to what it is today. Best wishes to you.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/chirelchirel
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            Also it would be a good idea to ask the person who created Bookcrossing how that site survived some major changes about ten years ago.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK
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            Actually, it only barely survived. I was there as a user and remember the chaos that ensued.

            As the "upgraded" website kept falling over and the forums took an age to load when they did (and often they didn't) a huge number of power users from the forums migrated to Facebook and stayed there. The forums now are a mere ghost of what they were in the early days.

            It took years for the badly-implemented "improvements" to be sorted out but by then it was too late. The forums have not recovered and the members and books-registered counters disappeared never to be seen again. Which, I suspect, tells its own tale.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/chirelchirel
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            Ok, it wasn't that drastic in the Finnish community, also I did sort of stop BookCrossing at that time, but it was mostly due to other reasons. But yeah, I think it might still be a good idea to talk with people behind Bookcrossing, if only to learn from their mistakes.

            April 22, 2017

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            I used the activity stream to follow the contributors and some of the more helpful native speakers of a language. I could read their helpful posts on the discussions every day. this was very useful to learning.

            I don't really care about whether anyone else completed a skill, or the idle chatter, but the discussions about language and the subtleties of meaning is crucial to developing a feel for the language. Please provide a feature so we can follow these important conversations.

            April 20, 2017

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            I really don't think you should do this! I have a lot of people that I talk to often! >:-(

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Lento_Rodriguez
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            Congratulations on your 100 day streak!

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/vc120
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            Thanks.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            Just so you know, you can still talk to them it will just show up in their email notifications and you won't be able to see what you posted.

            April 18, 2017

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            That seems... cumbersome. But thanks.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/stripedkitty
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            How does that work, estdiante? I got a notification of a couple of lines (by the bell) my email notification is on (for posts to my stream), but there was no email (??) can you elaborate? Cheers!

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            You may have to go into your settings and turn your email notifications on for when someone posts on your bio page. But you should get an email message whenever someone posts on your page.

            April 19, 2017

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            It's already been done..so..

            April 19, 2017

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            You're studying Japanese!!!!!?

            April 19, 2017

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            Me and Espiraden are alphatesters for Japanese.

            And there's a very simple hack to get it.

            April 19, 2017

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            Alpha-tester but you're using the hack?

            April 19, 2017

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            Nonono, sorry.

            I used the hack, but then three days after Duolingo emailed me with the news that I was an alphatester.

            And I'm using this account for the alphatest.

            April 19, 2017

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            I used the hack, but then three days after Duolingo emailed me with the news that I was an alphatester.

            And I'm using this account for the alphatest.

            Strange that WaterPolyglot account (nor Espiraden) appears to contributors in the Incubator... usually, alpha-testers are.
            Maybe alpha-testing of JA<-EN is different from all alpha-testing of all other courses...

            April 20, 2017

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            Nor garpike.

            April 20, 2017

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            How?

            April 20, 2017

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            sharing information and instructions about using Duolingo in a way that may impact the system, community, learning, data or experience in a negative or significant manner, your account and posts may be removed. Guidelines

            Not sure that "hacking" the system(*) in order to access to a course that Duolingo hasn't released(**) would not fall under this part of the Guidelines...

            (*) or sharing information about how to do so
            (**) hence doesn't seem to want for users to access it yet

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/SamadhiGil

            I understand that Duo is a company and that the website and the apps are products. I understand that we do not pay for these products. So I do not expect the Duo's decisions to be democratic. But the Duo yields money and yields due to the existence and number of users. In addition, these products are collaborative, and older users, who make use of these products, have made and contributed important contributions to Duo's development and growth. I feel there is a lack of consideration, or even respect, for making such decisions without early warning. It was extremely unfair to cancel the immersion without giving us the opportunity to download the texts that interested us. It was extremely unfair to cancel the activity panel without giving us the opportunity to make contact with the people with whom we just talked there. I still think that the Duo is a fantastic tool despite this, however I think it tends to lose value as a benchmark because of this way of acting. I will continue to use the Duo for now, but I will stop following it on social networks. It does not make more sense, since their communication policy does not care about the reception of who communicates.

            April 19, 2017

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            we decided to use that money towards saving up for a new car

            It'd better be a Ferrari :P

            we plan to incorporate better tools to communicate with other learners

            Seems like you're already testing them as in the past 24 hours 3 different announcements were made by Duolingo staff huhuhu.

            April 19, 2017

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            What are the three announcements? I think I can only find two.

            April 19, 2017

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            • Activity Stream Announcement

            • Introducing Duolingo Plus

            • Update on Skill Strengths

            Since the last one is probably the one you missed: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22225104

            April 19, 2017

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            Ok, wow. It seems like the Duolingo staff knows nothing about communication. How on Earth didn't they think of announcing something like that beforehand 0.o This is again the same thing that has been mentioned on this thread many times. The lack of communication by the staff feels very disrespectful. I really hope someone will soon code another free language learning site where the users are actually respected.

            April 19, 2017

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            Thanks for the link. That was a good guess. :)

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            It'd better be a Ferrari .

            And how much would you be willing to pay towards the Ferrari? Remember this is supposed to be a free for everyone learning website. If you want to pay for your language learning content, there are plenty of those sites out there.

            April 19, 2017

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            I think elvper was intending this as a compliment to the value he found in the activity stream. As in turning in a Ferrari and perhaps getting a Hyundai back. :P

            April 28, 2017

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            I'm paying. The quality of Duolingo is in large part its daily users. My time and knowledge and attitude are all valuable. Look at the community around us: A hundred thousand hardworking polyglots who help each other. Pure gold.

            April 27, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            You're right we all are a valuable resource. But how are you going harness that? You can't pay for everything with just ads, and what other options do you have besides turning it into a paid service? I know that wasn't Luis's dream.

            April 28, 2017

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            that's true, how to harness the value of our contribution is one good question. I am sure they have plans and ideas. How to hold on to us users, as the commodity and resource that we are – is another.

            April 28, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/ClimateCanary

            http://photovide.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/interesting-funny-pictures-08-04-2017-32.jpg

            Why is it that we are always losing really good features which, despite promises of shiny new gifts, are never replaced by anything of true worth? :(( Oh, and yes, I wish you would have had the guts to let everyone know what you were planning to do, in advance, instead of sneakily pulling the plug on our much loved "Activity", overnight.

            April 19, 2017

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            Luis, are you actually going to bother letting your non-English speaking users know what's going on?

            https://www.duolingo.com/topic/651/new

            April 21, 2017

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            It's "not a priority" apparently, which is both rude and disrespectful in my view.

            April 21, 2017

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            We all know the answer to that already...

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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            Hi Luscinda,

            Let's play a "the more upvote the more chance to have an answer?" on that comment and see (while praying, I fear it's what we're left with on that).

            April 21, 2017

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            Sorry, I thought I already had - though I probably had and it failed to register, as this thread is so glitchy.

            April 21, 2017

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            For me, a very important part of the Duolingo experience has been the activity stream. The ability to follow people and be followed created a kind of mentorship program that contributed immensely to the value of the experience. I doubt I would have spent more than a few weeks here without it. And although I've been here for several years now, I'm not at all sure that I'll continue without that level of interaction being available.

            When I first signed up, I was skeptical of a free online course because there was no apparent incentive for it to be of high quality or even reliable: I was afraid I would learn "wrong." That turned out to be a real danger at the time: the English to German course was still quite new, still had some errors in it, and there were exercises I simply did not understand, in spite of having some background already in the language. To my good fortune, a native German speaker began to follow me and not only answered my questions about possible errors in the program ("Is this translation right?") but also explained things I found confusing and told me when my translation was right, or wrong, and why, if Duolingo hadn't accepted it. That interaction not only corrected for bugs in the program, it added immensely to what was taught.

            The lessons got better over time, but I have still benefited many, many times from other native speakers who have stepped up to help me, who were kind enough to follow me and answer my questions authoritatively. (Others are often willing to help, but I wouldn't want to rely, for example, on a non-native speaker saying "Gee, I think that ought to be OK.") I've also benefited by choosing specific native speakers who are willing to explain things often and well - and following them, so that I learned something by seeing what they had to say about exercises and issues that I hadn't encountered on my own. I've tried to return the favor, or rather pass it on, but without the activity stream the opportunity to do that is greatly diminished.

            Eventually I found myself on the fringe of a little subcommunity within Duolingo, and the learning experience was greatly enhanced by conversations about aspects of the language - exploring regional differences in English as well as in German, for example, and discovering the diversity of dialects in German - and later in other languages, because the possibility had been suggested to me in those conversations about German and English. And, truth to tell, the little pat on the head my friends would give me when I finished a skill or leveled up was a nice extra bit of encouragement that sometimes kept me going.

            I've recently started a new, recently released course, which - lacking the activity stream - I've decided not to continue with. Understandably for a recently released course, it has errors. It doesn't reflect as wide a range of possible translations as the older courses have developed; sometimes I can tell that my translation is probably fine, but other times I cannot without help. So I'm back to my original hesitation about Duolingo, that the course is not reliable in its own terms.

            In losing the activity stream, we have lost an aspect of Duolingo that truly distinguished it from other programs available, and, to my mind, the single most valuable aspect of the program.

            April 25, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/PERCE_NEIGE
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            Sorry, I don't believe in the "due to performance"....

            I know Duolingo got big financial issues, it's obvious...

            But I really suspect you want to kill the old site, and make a brand new one. Maybe because you don't believe the old one could survive.

            But really, I'm under the impression you want to remove everything useful here. Maybe it will be made as a premium feature.
            On Duolingo, the messaging system is already totally awful... I cannot get my messages, as I receive a lot, if I'm not connected on this site. Is it really normal? It's the first site I know on the Internet that have almost zero messaging system, just a kind of "live" messaging system. You're not here, you don't get your messages.

            So, that's the point to remove the activity stream? Users will get zero possibilities to communicate with other users, except the global forum, that is not a place for private chat or private help demands....

            That's totally crazy !!! Unless you plan to make it a paying feature, that I can understand if the site is about to die as it seems.

            The activity stream, like the immersion, has too many flaws, it's harassing, because you are harassed without being able to choose what kind of things interest you to see. It's like a big spamming system... But as immersion wasn't perfect, why not saying the truth, and saying that is because of performance? I don't believe it.

            I'm really afraid you will remove every useful things on this site. What's next? Removing the sentences forum?

            I would better to study on Duolingo the more I can before it disappears or become another sites, without any human helps or human communication, only cold bots...

            Anyway, I don't think you will read any of the comments on this page. So it's totally useless to protest... And even if you read, you are not interested in listening us. It's clear you have your own plan, including several big changes, and it's only the beginning of them...

            Enjoy Duolingo the time it will survive!!! There's no much time now.

            April 19, 2017

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            What is next to be deleted? Languages?

            April 19, 2017

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            I hear Romanian has quite a low adoption rate, certainly less than 1% of the active users.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/HerrDay
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            I use Duolingo Classrooms as a teacher and the Activity Stream was the only way I could monitor whether my students were using the "test out" feature to skip skills.

            The test out feature is easily exploited: you can cheat your way to success, and thereby skip a large swath of skills.

            Please give educators a way to prevent students in Duolingo classrooms from accessing the test-out feature.

            Thanks, ~CS

            April 26, 2017

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            Wow, this really makes no sense. I thought Duo was prioritizing young learners and classroom use of the program. This also gives me hope that they will actually create a replacement soon.

            April 26, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/jairapetyan
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            You can see your students' activities on the site . You'll need to set up virtual classrooms and enroll your students.

            January 26, 2019

            https://www.duolingo.com/S._Brown

            I hope that with the Activity, the e-mail problem will be fixed. I'm still not receiving any e-mails :(

            (Well It probably doesn't matter now seeing the stream is shut down; I'd still like to be notified about the discussions I am currently in, though).

            April 18, 2017

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            Check whether your notifications are turned on (https://www.duolingo.com/settings/notifications) and if they are and your mailbox is not full, try changing your email address in your settings to a different one. Once the email notifications begin to arrive to another address you can change it back. The only downside is that they will begin to arrive to both addresses for several days. I'm experiencing this right now.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/S._Brown

            They are on; thank you for the tip.

            April 19, 2017

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            Mine were on too when my email notifications ceased to arrive.

            April 19, 2017

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            I find it very concerning that they've now removed two large elements of duolingo and have yet to replace them. Also the future plans always seem extremely vague. You're losing a lot of what made duolingo unique among other websites.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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            I am sad that these features are not here now too. If Duo can't pay rent, then they have to down size. Duolingo has not made a profit in 5 years. The previous plan they had to raise money (Immersion) did not work out because of laws in the European Union. So, while they test new ways to raise money to help keep Duolingo existing at all, some things have to be scaled back during the budget squeeze in order to keep the project from going under. As some comments have pointed out, we the community preferred alternative ways of them to go about it, such as more timely communication. I am not in HQ with them. So, I cannot speak for why things happened as they did. But, I don't suspect anything nefarious. And, I know that staff can get stressed out too.

            Duolingo is well known to change and change and change. Along with teaching languages, it's goal is innovation in education. It means constantly trying new things. Innovation is part of how it operates without paying for advertisement. News covers innovation, which spreads the word, which inspires more people to invest with venture capital. So, I don't see that changing during the squeeze. (I am not just saying this to you, I am saying it to anyone who is reading.)

            Duolingo is doing what it can with what it has right now.

            April 21, 2017

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            And anyone involved in education knows just how well constant political 'innovation' has worked over the past few decades. Nowt like constantly reinventing the wheel to waste money, distract attention from the real issues and mess with children's education.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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            I'm not saying innovation doesn't come with problems. Was mostly anticipating people pointing out that Duolingo had continued to innovate while in a budget crunch. I wanted to provide some (limited) insight.

            April 21, 2017

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            thanks, those are good points.

            April 28, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/otsogutxi
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            I've been here for three years, and to be honest, I'm extremely disappointed by the changes on here recently. Duolingo is fallling behind some of the other language learning websites, which has made me contemplate why I am still here. All the amazing features which made it great and MADE me come back everyday are gone. You must have something amazing up your sleeves if you decided on this decision.

            April 22, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/JohnBrower3

            Are there going to be new features for the website version? Instead of exclusive updates for the IOS users.

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/German_Owl

            No more activity stream or posts????!!!! What is this??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I use that darn thing every day!! (Just about)

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/vktr17

            It's the old code we can't maintain is the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

            I know it sounds like a terrible excuse, but I myself am a computer programmer and I know that old code, especially code that is not well written, or in this case code that executes slowly, is not at all easy to maintain. Keep in mind that the servers that keep the Duolingo experience up are busy every time you post a comment, learn a lesson, click on the "Discussion" tab...

            May 7, 2017

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            And about the "characters"?

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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            This, maybe. http://emoji.duolingo.com/ :rollingeyestoheavenemoticon:

            [for the avoidance of doubt I'm assuming it was an April Fool that I missed but it's one of the first things that comes up when I put duolingo into a search engine, along with bots, and in the current climate it feels entirely appropriate - who has time for actual language when we can muck about with bots, animated owls and heaven knows what else?]

            April 21, 2017

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            I saw someone link the 4/20 announcement earlier on the forums and it didn't even occur to me that that was the big surprise (despite the word "surprise" in the tweet). They have been building it for two months and it has been on the course list for a month or so, how is it a surprise now? Honestly, I will never understand the way the staff thinks.

            Anyway, this tweet is for Luscinda https://twitter.com/duolingo/status/848097704869851136

            April 21, 2017

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            the twitter account is extremely upbeat, quite a contrast to these comments!!!

            April 27, 2017

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            Will there be a way of seeing our own posting activity? I can see not posting every time you complete a lesson, but I already miss being able to see where I've posted in the past recently if I wanted to check back with a post. I also quite liked being able to see that I'd leveled up in my stream even if not every single lesson.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchFireBird
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            This is stupid-why? because people that had already mastered everything on the trees now can't learn much because the forums are unreliable. And the DuoLingo lessons are inefficient because they don't teach you the rules. With the activity you could ask native or advanced speakers about it.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/SebastianKH

            Hello. I've been a casual learner on here for a while, just doing a few lessons when I felt like it. However, what always kept bringing me back was the ability to communicate with fellow language learners, so that we are mutually encouraged and helped. Today, you took this away, with no warning at all. I'm afraid that, until this or a similar system is put in place, I will not use this website again. It's lost what's made it Duolingo.

            April 19, 2017

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            Do you have any plans to add or improve features or will you just continue to remove them? Also I would like to know if anything is being done about course abandonment in the incubator. Every time a new course comes out they are enthusiastic and plan to release it in two months then seven months later they are down to one contributor and nothing happens. I like seeing new languages frequently added but not if they will never be done.

            April 19, 2017

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            I would like to see new languages frequently added. However, I don't think the current rate is very frequent (at least compared to what it was). Hopefully it's only due to the rewrite and we'll see more once that is done.

            April 20, 2017

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            One morning we wake up, and activity stream disappeared with our friends. I really suspect you want to kill the old site, and make a brand new one, for the youngs. I'm under the impression you want to remove everything useful on Duolingo. I love Duolingo I'm sadly

            April 20, 2017

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            "I am sad" = I am feeling sad. "sadly, the activity stream is gone" = it is sad. :-)

            April 27, 2017

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            Luis,

            As I am writing this your message is 7 months old. Still, we don't have an suitable communication facility with the people we are following. At this point, following someone has almost no point as you cannot collaborate with the people you follow, send them messages etc.

            You had admitted that social connections had a big role in learning languages and you have promised to bring back those capabilities soon. Well, I think 7 months is a long enough to at least establish a rudimentary communication facility. Don't you think so?

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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            There are currently people in a/b test groups who have more casual discussion feature access than others. I am in one such test group. So, Duolingo hasn't dropped the idea. But, like everything to come before, a/b results are king. When an idea fails, they have to try something new or new combinations, etc.

            November 17, 2017

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            Would you please describe what this "more casual discussion feature" looks like and how it is used? How long has this been tested? Do you have an idea as to what Duolingo is looking for in an ideal Activity Stream? First of all, is it a stream that everyone is able to see?

            Usagiboy, I now have a feature that 'acknowledges' a person for accomplishing certain tasks. One of the tasks is being 'friendly'. One must follow people to be considered 'friendly'. What is the point of following someone when there is no way to communicate without the discussions?

            November 18, 2017

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            One has to follow people so that Duolingo can label them "friendly"? What a major mistake on Duo's part. I hope there's an opposite label called "curmudgeon." I'm reminded of a recent protest sign that said "so bad, even introverts are here." Now that's my kind of label.

            November 18, 2017

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            LOL I LOVE that protest sign!!! "curmudgeon" ? I love that word :) Are you saying that you do not have this feature?

            November 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/TreesHugger
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            No, I lucked out! I'm not in the a/b testing group. Lovely avatar, btw.

            November 18, 2017

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            I want to know too!

            November 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/DreamingOdelia
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            HI Lento! (huge smile) Do you have the feature that wants you to follow people to prove that you are friendly? What have you been working on lately?

            Lately I have not been doing much XP's because I read the discussions for almost every sentence that I do. I am learning so much more now :) I am redoing the French tree and dabble with Spanish every now and then. Are you doing the opposite? ;)

            November 18, 2017

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            I don't have that feature. I haven't been doing much at all lately I do read some Spanish at bed time and I have been listening to languagetransfer's French. He just released a new track.

            I'm all finished with my mothers house though, except for a few small details so hopefully I can get back to a few Spanish courses I've been working on and maybe start duolingo's Japanese.

            November 18, 2017

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            Thanks for letting us know. I hope they open it up to the rest of us soon.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

            A pity one can't volunteer to be in a test group. ;-)

            November 17, 2017

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            I think it's random selection. I definitly didn't volunteer for this group. I'm not using the feature even though I have it.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

            I'd heard the selection for such tests is random. Naturally I'm curious. Interesting that you don't find it useful. Perhaps it will be back to the drawing board if this feature isn't popular/well-utilized...

            November 17, 2017

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            CommeuneTexane, I feel a great responsibility to our community. The feature is not public enough. So, as someone in the a/b group, I won't support it by using it.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

            I see. So not much like the old Activity.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Gabrielle28671
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            Hi tolunayo you can join again us on translatihan. On this new site created by an old from Duolingo. There are Spanish, English, French etc... You will find the address under my picture of profile. And you can speak and write with your translation friends

            November 17, 2017

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            What's an old?

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Gabrielle28671
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            An old student of Duolingo. Un ancien étudiant de Duolingo.

            November 17, 2017

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            Funny. I would have understood that without a translation, but I wouldn't have known what language that is. I'm guessing from the "é" that it's French.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

            Gabrielle, ne t'excuse pas pour ton anglais, sinon je devrai m'excuser pour mon français !!

            November 17, 2017

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            Yes I'm French. Sorry for my bad English. Ce site à été créé pour remplacer " les onglets immersion et activité que Duolingo à abandonné. De cette façon nous pouvons continuer à traduire et échanger, et poser des questions aux natifs, exactement comme sur Duolingo avant qu'ils suppriment tout. Vous y retrouverez sans aucun doute d'anciens amis.

            November 17, 2017

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            Gabrielle28671 "We welcome all serious and hardworking people" = "Nous accueillions toutes les personnes sérieuses et travailleuses "

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

            There's a very active German group there...

            November 17, 2017

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            We are all former students from Duolingo on Translatihan.

            November 17, 2017

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            Thanks Usagiboy7 and Commeunetexane, I don't believe that. Activity stream was very popular for many people from Duolingo. Looking for here all the messages for Luis for keep activity and immersion stream in all the languages

            November 17, 2017

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            I miss the activity stream - as much as anything - because it was a good way to find posts from people who wrote things worth reading. I never saw the value in immersion, though.

            November 17, 2017

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            There is activity stream on this site. Commeunetexane and many other are there. It's very friendly.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Gabrielle28671
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            Coucou ma jolie Texane, comment dit-on " Nous accueillions toutes les personnes sérieuses et travailleuses ?"

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

            Salut ma belle : We welcome all serious and hardworking people.

            November 17, 2017

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            Thanks. I have bookmarked that site.

            November 17, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Espiraden

            Reading through the comments, Luis has said that:

            Yes, there will be something to take its place.

            Yes! We will have much better tools soon. I promise.

            Although i am sad that the activity feature has been removed, I am excited for this much better tool that will take over this place :)

            April 19, 2017

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            Okay, I understand. Thanks for taking the time to post this, although it would be nice if you could make these kinds of posts beforehand so we have some time to adjust.

            Do you have any idea what the new messaging system will look like or when you think it will be ready by?

            Thanks!

            April 19, 2017

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            Even though I am disappointed in this (I learnt a lot actually from talking to others, and sometimes reading stuff I found but didn't participate in the conversation), but I do understand that these are choices that are being put towards a more functional website and I hope to see this put into place soon. Thank you Luis for relaying the message.

            A quick question, though, how was the old code incompatible from the new Duolingo code? Was it just inefficient for the systems to process and therefore outdated, or was it negatively affecting other pieces of code? I can understand if you can't give any specifics but I am curious on how the coding for the website in general is being redone.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/IVIatjam

            I can't say I am particularly pleased with this update. I understand that the activity stream would put some unwanted glitches in the system, and I hope that whatever you guys have in store for us next is really awesome! I will miss being able to chat with my added friends I have on Duolingo, but I am sure this is for the greater good. Please do not tarry in whatever you will put in place of the activity stream, Duolingo designers!

            April 19, 2017

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            I really liked too much seeing the activities of my friends, now it's impossible for me! That's a unpopular decision, if the activity will have a upgrade, that can't take long time. Keeping the social messaging function directly between users is very importante for us!

            Thanks a lot by the post.

            April 19, 2017

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            Improving the forums is for sure a good idea... A VERY good idea. I just hope they will be a bit more modern and easier to navigate.

            April 19, 2017

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            One morning we wake up, and activity stream disappeared with our friends. I really suspect you want to kill the old site, and make a brand new one, for the youngs. I'm under the impression you want to remove everything useful on Duolingo. I love Duolingo I'm sadly

            April 20, 2017

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            My guess also. A new site with the old name, like calling "babel" with the name of Duolingo, or any site.

            April 21, 2017

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            I'm going to miss the activity stream.

            It provided an easy way e.g. to get to Jitengore's weekly incubator update postings.

            When getting friend requests, I could have a look at their recent activity to get some idea of what they were doing, before accepting.

            My own stream gave me a quick overview of what I had accomplished over the past month or so.

            If someone made a comment I liked or found interesting, I'd go see what else they posted recently, and would sometimes find good discussions.

            The feature was not as good as it could have been, but its total removal does not seem to add value from the user's perspective. :-(

            April 24, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/eino81
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            Here are my feedbacks, as a daily Duolingo user (not kidding, just see my streak):

            I loved the Activity stream, it was good to see, how other learners work, I could chat with them, I could even send a link with some useful PDFs for further learning, etc. It did not do my duolingo slower at all. If my Duolingo was slow, the reason was the poor wifi connection of the train or bus, but not at home.

            If I could have a wish, please bring it back or create something, where we can interact more. Because this "Clubs"-thing, which is available only on the apps, is a crap. You can't communicate with the other members.

            April 27, 2017

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            Hm. A little sad about that, but totally understand. What I don't understand is how mean people can be with this. (I still see some people holding a grudge with immersion. ). Sometimes you have to remember that this is a website for language learning, and not just spam or littering, even though streams is a way of talking and chatting in another language or to talk directly to a person.

            Looking on the twitter page, I'm thinking to myself, what is this new thing? I'm sure it's for the better. Thanks.

            edit: Please see my comment bellow.

            April 19, 2017

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            In my opinion, it's not really a matter of whether activity was or was not meant or used for language learning, it's a matter of the friendships formed here. Most people do not have alternatives to contact their friends, so they're all separated. Nobody likes that. If people were notified beforehand, they'd get in touch on other platforms. And as you know, they weren't.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/TheGirlOverThere
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            I understand that more than you imagine. One of my good duo friends, that I don't know IRL somehow found a way to still talk, on a different site. Unluckily, I have others who I can't. I totally agree with you. It's for the people who spam and just litter the stream.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            As long as your friends have their notifications turned on you can still contact them, they will receive their messages in their email. And let's be honest here, if you are really good friends with someone you are going to be in touch with them on other platforms anyway. I mean who would want to share all their conversations on a public message board such as this one anyway?

            April 20, 2017

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            If they don't have notifications turned on, there will be no way of contacting them, unless I know where they've posted.(Fortunately, I was able to catch some posts when the activity stream wasn't restricted to two weeks)
            Besides, please don't count on this unstable method, we can't be sure if we can pass the next lesson (that "correct answer not getting accepted" bug) and you're talking something that shouldn't be there?!

            You're a little too quick to judge. Not everyone has an email address or social media account. There are also different types of friends, and not all necessarily need their talk private. I, for one, didn't care if a stranger read our conversations. During this one year I've been here, it was only once one of those conversations was interrupted, and that was solved by blocking the intruder.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            Wow that is not what I meant. I have nothing against public messaging although there were people that would get really offended if you joined in their private conversation once in a while ;) But I chat with pretty much all of my good duolingo friends on either, discord, or twitter from time to time. My point was that if you have good friends, you will find easier ways to chat with each other than what duolingo provided. Actually if I had to choose the ideal chat feature for duolingo I would pick something like discord, because it has the public chat rooms but then you can also communicate with each user privately.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Aria487
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            I didn't say you had anything against public talks. You just assumed (in the second comment as well) that if I have "good friends" I'd also have an alternative to Duolingo, which is a big assumption and one might get offended in my place, because only recently I provided my friends with alternatives. I'm also a user of one year here, and the longest period I've known someone on the internet is three months. I'm really late to trust, to add to the problems.

            For most of us, Duolingo was a simple enough platform. There was something all of us had in common; we wanted to learn a language.(I notice I'm using the past tense, which is half-justified) Call me lazy if you wish, but I liked to check my Activity tab to see what was up with all of my friends, whether they had a free email address or Twitter account or not, could work new systems or not, were good friends or not. Even now that I'm in touch with them elsewhere, we're scattered. One is in a forum, one is only on Duolingo with the semi-functioning messages, one is on Discord, one on email, one completely cut off.

            People are different. Some are usually on mobile. Discord, as an example, is a heavy app.

            April 22, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            I noticed that the other day. I think it might be a new course or something.

            April 19, 2017

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            The removal of the activity streams and the new features have nothing to do with other courses like Japanese. Japanese is coming, with or without activity streams. We are talking about new features that may (partly) replace activity streams.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

            I know that. But that is just what I guessed from having seen the Twitter message

            April 19, 2017

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            I've been along for the ride for quite a while.....I'll be interested to see where this goes. Good luck.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/creeptastica

            If opening this Discussion is any indicator of the speed we should expect then removing the Activity Stream didn't help.

            April 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/SeptimusBones
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            Dang it, this will make finding the newest WIU a lot more difficult, now that I can't just go to jitengore's activity stream to locate it. I hope your forum revamp also includes better search tools to compensate this! (Ability to show the search results from newest to oldest would be a great start!)

            April 24, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/chirelchirel
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            Just tried this: the search with weekly incubator update april brought a random collection of threads about the WIU, but none of them from April and most of them not even the actual updates but discussions concerning the updates. The New tab under discussion only gives me about 20 threads, the last one from yesterday, so if there was an update before that, I would never know. I finally tried searching with Google and managed to find a thread from a week ago, so I assume there was no update yesterday. To be honest, without activity, this site is pretty close to useless.

            April 24, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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            'hope for your ongoing understanding' is a nice phrase, but I do not feel much understood by the yanking away first of immersion, and then activity streams. Leaving us no advance word of warning, nor redress so our work and network wasn't lost down the drain in the new programming... just, no.

            If we had been able to retrieve our work and contacts, now THAT would be a model of mutual respect that would secure my unfading loyalty and collaboration. But being dissed when I'm hurting, no, that doesn't further my understanding.

            And I say all this while being absolutely awed by the wonder that is Duolingo, and the vision, willpower and brainpower that it was built on.

            I thank you Luis, but I am hurting, and until I hurt less, my capacity for understanding is less ample.

            April 24, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/BenTheKnight

            Eh, I haven't had the activity stream for like two months.

            April 19, 2017

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            Βeta test.

            April 19, 2017

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            * A/B test. ;)

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/PERCE_NEIGE
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            It's the same thing. A/B test with two groups, it's a β test.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/grey236
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            Is there going to be something to replace the messaging part of the Activity Stream? I ask this because I used it a lot to ask questions about grammar instead of making many discussion posts about them. Also, is this just the profile Activity Stream? Because I feel like the main Activity Stream has a pretty important function for many, especially moderators. Personally and honestly, I don't like this change at all, but mainly because I'm so used to seeing the Home, Activity, and Discussion pages working fine, but I guess I'll get use to it :/

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

            I am quite disappointed to hear this bit of news. Although I am not happy to hear this, I can understand the decision and the reasons behind it, though. I just hope the activity streams return with the rewritten website.

            EDIT: Something came to mind after writing this: if there aren't activity streams, how would someone contact the moderators?

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/ShellMarg

            Luis, Thank you for a wonderful language learning tool. I really appreciated Activity because I could immediately see grammar advice given to others by Moderators and a few superb users I follow and do a quick review of their responses to questions in the areas that interested me. Hopefully something along these lines can be preserved. It was akin to opening a "Coles Notes" booklet :)

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/ShellMarg

            One more comment: As an adult using this site, having the Activity stream was a way of being connected on this journey. It provided a form of "classroom" dynamic though I was alone in my language journey. I could see the struggles and achievements of others. This morning, the Duolingo experience feels different. No feeling of outreach, sharing. I miss reviewing the sage advice of Sitesurf. Hello Sitesurf if you are still out there! I have read the comments of many saying that the site is being "dumbed down" and is turning its focus to youth with the Bots and TinyCards. I am hoping adult learning will be given as high a priority as classroom assistance.

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Mr.rM
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            Please stop using separate pop-up windows for discussing sentences. :(

            April 19, 2017

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            It is disappointing that this functionality has been cut from the website. A lot of what made the Duolingo experience that much more special for me was the ability to chat with others, encourage each other and make friends. With those lines of connection now severed I can only look on at other people's profiles without a voice to congratulate them when they achieve something new.

            Nonetheless I anticipate what will be coming in the future for Duolingo will replace/improve upon the current activity system. I do believe that it is a truly important feature for many though, and hope that it returns in some form.

            Thanks for the update

            April 20, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

            I hope that you will allow us to follow some french experts with Duo in their comments because we do not always know what we need to consider. We don't even know the questions we should ask in exercises. Reading each discussion of each sentence in each exercises bogs learning down. What I want to do is follow experts'/moderator's comments to be sure I am getting the rules when my mind is fresh and open instead of after struggling through a lesson. That feature I did not find. Not being a computer person usually, I hope also there could be brief notes in the intro on what the symbols and options are. Then people of all ages can progress at their speed instead of just people who grew up using computers. I think Duo is wonderful and accessible for all ages but it could be richer for those not versed in computers if there are clearer explanations of options. I wish I had known 2 weeks ago I could follow the posts of Sitesurf, for instance, so that I can learn grammar in her practical and clear way. I need the details and examples. It would be like stepping into the classroom when I need to. Please make that possible at least for moderators and perhaps those with higher ratings or whose grammar posts get high ratings. Thanks so much tho for your work. Free language learning is so precious.

            April 25, 2017

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            Hi Luis, at least I do not experience a faster Duo yet. Instead I am missing the activity stream a lot and I do not seem to be the only one. Any news about reinstalling communication between users in the near future? Best, Suza

            May 8, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/SLEJ4
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            Maybe you should put something on profiles' where activity streams used to be, as it just looks empty right now. P.S. I enjoy walking, so I don't mind not having a car for a while! Gracias, merci, thank you!

            April 19, 2017

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            It doesn't just look empty, it's actually quite unpleasant to have the text "you are alone" there right now. They could at least change that into a short explanation and add a link to this discussion, so everyone who is used to checking their activity stream could easily find out what happened.

            April 19, 2017

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            yep - you do have a point there Chirel.
            Yet that is also an indication of how this has probably come upon us quicker than we hoped that it might happen.
            I continue to be thankful that there is an ongoing plan that Duolingo has already commenced to action - that this situation was being noticed and that resources were already being put in place to deal with addressing this issue.

            Thank you so much for your concern and pointing out this issue.

            Thank you for choosing to be such a valued member of our language learning community for yourself, and the community of language learners that bring such hope to me for our world of the future.

            April 19, 2017

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            Thank you for your kind words. I realize it's time for me to take a walk before I get too upset by the lack of communication from the staff.

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/RosalindCelia

            I've stalled out on reading the comments. Many apologies if this has already been answered, but are we going to be able to see our own recent progress and accomplishments again? That was far more useful to me personally than communicating with other users. Now we have only the XP graphs from the past week, which is vastly inferior as a record. (XP doesn't say anything about forward movement, and it only covers 1 week.) Surely displaying this information alone, and privately to the user, could be done relatively easily? Especially if only recent progress is displayed and caching is employed to reduce calls to the database?

            April 20, 2017

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            I hope it gets better soon.

            April 20, 2017

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            This is so not a good idea. Why not drop the fake fluency percentage. Or the page that tells me I'm all alone ! because I don't use Facebook. Quelle horreur! The activity stream was genuinely useful. It also gave a greater sense of community. I definitely sympathize with money problems. The no-ad payment approach will be more successful with a lower asking price.

            April 25, 2017

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            I am glad to see someone who doesn't use Facebook

            April 26, 2017

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            The page that tells you you're all alone is nothing to do with Facebook. It's intended to mean that you haven't followed anyone here. With activity being removed it got confused and is showing that for everyone.

            April 26, 2017

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            No, I saw that "you're alone" stuff way before this week. One way to get a sure rise out of any forum is to refer to Facebook. Thanks, though.

            April 26, 2017

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            I have no explanation then, except that sometimes it would show up when activity was glitching (which was often). But I didn't see it at normal times, and I don't have Facebook either.

            April 26, 2017

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            That could be it. I looked through all the menu tabs when I started three plus months ago, could not have told you the name of the tab. I saw it a few times after that while looking for my profile, saw it but still didn't pay enough attention to avoid the page because it wasn't a major upset. Just odd. Good thing because when I finally saw the Activity stream I was pleased. Sometimes it's goofy what motivates people, but like an earlier poster I got extra motivation seeing the stream marker showing I'd leveled up to a new number. I've really enjoyed all I've seen you post, Theron. You're way too level-headed to be posting on forums. :)

            April 26, 2017

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            Way to make me big-headed :-) Thanks though!

            April 26, 2017

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            Perhaps only some users did much with the activity stream, but for those of us who did, it offered a greater depth and value to Duolingo. It allowed us to form relationships with native speakers whom we could consult directly, follow people we found to be particularly helpful, and, on occasion, get into more complex conversations about some aspect of the language or usage.

            In dropping it, Duolingo has abandoned a unique feature that distinguished it from other programs, and a resource that many of us valued. I don't imagine I'll drop out any time soon, but I will begin spending more time with other programs that will give me more value.

            April 27, 2017

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            I totally understand the situation, but it would be great if we had a warning message or something like that telling us about the removal of the feature, instead of leaving us wondering while fiddling with our browser settings, clearing our caches or restarting our computers :) The "you don't have any friends" message really doesn't help with that.

            May 7, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Lizzy_Engl

            I am really sad! I loved activity! Such sad memories.

            May 21, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/pukeshogun

            I'm sure they'll come up with a similar feature soon. It's a little early to be losing our minds over this. lol

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/DreamingOdelia
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            7 months later... I think we can lose our minds now. SIGH

            November 18, 2017

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            Thank you for making me smile :-)

            December 9, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Gaia.N.M

            I hope this works out ok

            April 19, 2017

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            Please do not worry. It will work out. And one of the contributing factors to why it will work out - is because of people - such as you Galia.
            Who seek to help keep things working, Who seek to actively contribute to this community and help it work - for the benefit of your language learning, and for the sake of those in our community - to assist in their language learning.

            You make a difference to your opportunities, and also to the world of the community around you.

            Thank you for choosing to be such a valued member of our language learning community.

            April 19, 2017

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            Sorry. Let me add a downvote to your post. Hallmark greeting-card language does not address the issues here: the removal of highly-valued features that contributed to the goal of learning a language. Both the activity stream and immersion were essential elements of the crowd-sourcing which improved error-ridden trees, and they are gone.

            April 19, 2017

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            Both the activity stream and immersion were essential elements of the crowd-sourcing which improved error-ridden trees, and they are gone.

            The process of getting rid of errors in trees never used neither Activity stream nor Immersion.
            This process uses reports made by users during lessons through the dedicated button.


            P.S.: I'm not saying Immersion and/or Activity stream had no value, just that it's a wrong statement to say that they "were elements of the crowd-sourcing which improved error-ridden trees" (hence even more wrong that they were "essential" in that).

            April 19, 2017

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            As an experienced ESOL teacher, I used the activity stream to answer grammar/English usage questions as well as to alert learners to incomplete and grammatically-defective sentences produced by DL's software.

            As far as reporting errors with the dedicated button, you must be aware that moderators weren't allowed to change incorrect sentences in the target language. Why bother press that button? Rarely did the moderators even take it upon themselves to eliminate these same sentences - proffered year after year. The activity streams complemented the discussion sites on the trees because users went from one to the other looking for further explanations. That has been my experience.

            I shouldn't have mentioned immersion with regard to improving the error-ridden trees. It was, however, an effective vehicle for language-learning and a source of pleasure for serious learners on DL. I doubt that the "tiny cards" and colorful figures on the apps are adequate substitutes.

            April 19, 2017

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            As an experienced ESOL teacher, I used the activity stream to answer grammar/English usage questions as well as to alert learners to incomplete and grammatically-defective sentences produced by DL's software.

            As said in my above post, I never said activity stream was useless, I was only commenting on the affirmation I quoted.


            As far as reporting errors with the dedicated button, you must be aware that moderators weren't allowed to change incorrect sentences in the target language

            Yes, I'm aware, but this was more than a year ago and, when it was the case, it was "only" for courses teaching one of the 6 languages DE, EN, ES, FR, IT & PT, not for all the other courses.
            It's more than one year that volunteers of courses teaching said languages can change them and contributors to other courses have always been able to change sentences in target language.

            So contributors to courses teaching another language than the 6 mentioned have always been able to use the reports (on sentences in target language or not) to correct the content of the course.
            Contributors to courses teaching on of the 6 mentioned languages have always been able to use the reports on sentences in native language, while the reports on sentences in target language can be acted on since more than a year (but reporting before that has been useful: the reports where there at the moment contribs have been able to change target language sentences).

            But, in any case, activity didn't improve things on "having the sentences in target language corrected" neither when it wasn't possible to correct them nor since it's possible.
            Which is what I was commenting about.
            Again, it allow you to tell your student about errors, but not to improve Duo courses.

            Why bother press that button? Rarely did the moderators even take it upon themselves to eliminate these same sentences - proffered year after year.

            As a contributor, I have to disagree. I can't talk for other teams but for the ones I can "follow", I can say they read and act on reports.


            It was, however, an effective vehicle for language-learning and a source of pleasure for serious learners on DL.

            I agree, I was only commenting the affirmation I quoted.

            April 19, 2017

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            Unfortunately, the Activity Stream was like a very old car that you have to spend lots of money and time to keep up. Instead, we decided to use that money towards saving up for a new car, which is coming soon.

            Can't wait for the ''new car''

            April 19, 2017

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            The new car is your foot. Don't be naïve, there will be no new car.

            April 19, 2017

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            Thank you for being optimistic, Pro.

            April 24, 2017

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            What’s Next?

            We're all hoping for the better...

            April 19, 2017

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            Alright I might actually quit I made a lot of friends on here and they are in other states so you better get that update done fast or you are going to lose a lot of users

            April 19, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/GoFigure151

            Ummm... excuse me? I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but I'd rather have a stream than a fast website. All of my time I have been using Duolingo, I have been part of the A/B test. So it would be nice to experience having a stream. I don't mean to sound rude or annoying or anything, but I also know a lot of people who were part of the A/B test, and they would like to experience having streams along with me.

            If we don't have streams, people would blockade the discussion part of Duolingo. They would want to talk to friends on there, because they don't have streams. You can't delete comments for no good reason, and whenever they would post something on discussion, to talk to someone, the discussion would fill up, leaving that to be slow. So basically, It's pointless

            April 20, 2017

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            I would like to see private messaging, profiles that can be more personal, easier to navigate in the forum etc.

            April 20, 2017

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            I would like to be able to see if people are messaging inappropriately with children so myself and others can intervene. There are other websites that offer private messaging. Duolingo does not need to be one of them.

            April 21, 2017

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            But...money?

            April 21, 2017

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            There are other websites that offer private messaging. Duolingo does not need to be one of them.

            I am with you on that.

            April 21, 2017

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            Exactly, I agree with you all the way Usagaboy7. In fact, a few days ago someone was asking me for my age and asking me some inappropriate questions. Of course I blocked the user, but still.

            April 25, 2017

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            X_Ravenclaw_X ,That is very concerning. I'm glad you blocked them. Are you able to message me that person's username (preferably a complete link to their profile if you don't mind)? Some people are still able to use my Activity stream to send me email notifications and I'd like to check into that person's Activity history.

            April 25, 2017

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            The main point is as long as people can communicate with each other outside the forum, it will be fine with me.

            April 21, 2017

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            Activity stream was a really, really motivating feature of Duolingo. When I saw that my friends and family had been working hard in a particular week, it made me want to work harder.

            I feel ever more isolated as a language learner with the removal of this feature. What I do not need is more ways to chat with my friends and family.

            Also, might it make sense to omit "Activity" from the nav bar then? It's pretty confusing that 1/3 of the nav bar items are non-functional.

            April 25, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/PaladinLife

            While I am going to miss the activity feed, I can appreciate what is happening here. I used to do some HTML coding when I was a kid (12ish) and I recently decided to try making my own site with Wix (it's been over 10 years since my HTML days), on top of that, I'm a content editor on a site that uses Squarespace. Websites have definitely gotten much easier! So while I don't know what the specific change in coding is here, I am glad you guys are upgrading. For your sake and for ours! Keep doing what you do, it's working!

            April 27, 2017

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            It's probably been mentioned already, but one reason I use the Activity Stream is for finding comments I've just made in the Android app, so that I can put them into the appropriate answer box, and then the person who asked the question at least knows they've had an answer (useful or otherwise). This is a facility we used to have on the Android app, but which disappeared a year ago, apparently due to a bug.

            Secondly, I'm a native speaker English teacher, and I've made hundreds of comments on the English from Italian tree (amongst others), giving, I hope, informed help. But as I'm not wonderful at writing in Italian, it is really useful to be able to occasionally use the editing facility that the web site gives. (Even this comment needed a couple of edits). Without the Activity Stream, these comments will be somewhat difficult to find.

            So I have a couple of requests. If the activity stream is to disappear, can we please have the feature back on Android that allows us to place comments in the appropriate place, not just add them at the end? And could we perhaps have an editing facility on Android? Nowadays I rarely use a PC, and prefer using the app, only going to the website (from a mobile device) when necessary. It would be great if this opportunity could be used to make the app really self-contained.

            April 30, 2017

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            Looking at my activity I have always been motivated to see when I learned a new skill. Without being able to see how much I have already learned a lot of motivation is gone. I also really liked to see how far are my friends whom I am following. I would appreciate it very much if some new form of tracking would become available in the future.

            May 3, 2017

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            Back when I joined in 2013 you could see other users' skill trees on their profiles. It was very useful when they asked for advice because they had misunderstood how the tree worked, etc.

            May 3, 2017

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            That's cool! They had already nixed that in 2014 though, I believe. I joined in 2014 and never had that ability. Or it could have been an A/B test for me.

            May 3, 2017

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            No A/B test, they scrapped it back in the days.

            May 4, 2017

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            There's a userscript that lets you do that, called Duolingo Stats. There's a link from the wiki: http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Duolingo Userscripts

            Hopefully it'll still work on the new version of the site.

            May 3, 2017

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            Since the new website was recoded in a different programming language than the old one, I doubt that this script will still work. I'm afraid the scripts have to be recoded as well.

            May 4, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/Texangymnast

            Does this mean that activity is never coming back or that until the new duolingo update we just have to live without it? Also, thanks for giving us a heads up on whats happening!

            May 12, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/honeyflower

            I think a place like the old activity where you can chat to those you're following is necessary because it's like break during the school day when you can hang out with your friends ; it also takes away the atmosphere of a classroom so I hope the newer better version of activity will appear soon.

            July 27, 2017

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            Thank you. This sounds sensible and I look forward to a faster website and cleaner forums.

            April 18, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/KolonelSpons

            "We understand that social connections are essential, and we plan to expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible." I see. I look forward to whatever new things you have in store, but I must ask, in the meantime, if we need or want to talk to contacts and / or moderators and admins, what do you propose we do?

            I'm sure the majority of learners trust and support that you're doing what's best for the site, but it seems to be an emerging pattern that you spring these changes on people without warning, or giving us a chance to make alternative arrangements. Making an announcement about "what you're going to do" after you've already done it is, with the greatest respect (and I really do respect you and your wonderful platform) a very thoughtless and disrespectful way to treat your users.

            April 18, 2017

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            I agree. Unfortunately, we had to turn off the Activity Stream today because it was bringing down the entire platform. It was either this or no Duolingo at all. I chose this.

            April 18, 2017

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            But you knew about it for at least a week.

            April 18, 2017

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            Yes, we planned to turn it off eventually, but we did so sooner than expected.

            April 18, 2017

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            How do being "either very slow or entirely down from 2:30 to 3:30pm EST, and this was a direct result of the Activity Stream" and "only a small percentage of total user adoption (of the streams)" possibly correlate? One must be an untruth. Same goes for Immersion - if too few users utilised it then how did it tax the system?

            April 19, 2017

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            It taxed the system in two ways:

            1. Keeping something up, even if it's not used very often, requires programming effort. That's effort that could be used to develop new features that are used by many more people.

            2. In the case of the Activity Stream, even though it wasn't used by many, there were ways to abuse it which caused a lot of load on our servers (think of a single user posting on thousands of peoples' streams).

            April 19, 2017

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            It is there whether or not people use it. It is possible that it's mere existence was taxing. I don't know a lot about how Duolingo's coding works, but this seems very likely.

            April 19, 2017

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            Are there not ways to prevent spam and abuse of a system without taking the whole element of the site offline? Imagine if Facebook removed whole sections of the site because some people were abusing it, it would ultimately fail. I hope to see the return of the important social aspect of this site soon, but I understand the performance issues side of things

            April 20, 2017

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            Re: "ways to abuse it which caused a lot of load on our servers (think of a single user posting on thousands of peoples' streams)" - would it help to limit the number of people a learner can follow? maybe if people had to think carefully about who they followed their posts would be more meaningful and some of the abuses would stop, as well as limiting the load? then maybe when the new system is established there would be room for a replacement for "Activity" which just covered things like direct communications between two friends, or notes of which discussion they had commented on (from which we learnt a lot), without making automatic posts of things like "UserX learnt a French skill" which must have used up a lot of space?

            April 22, 2017

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            would it help to limit the number of people a learner can follow?

            If just that, no. Indeed, in the Activity Stream as it was, you didn't need to follow someone to write on their stream while (according to Luis's comment) it's the "direct communication" part of the Activity stream that (mainly) was the issue, overloading the servers.

            So one would need to allow only direct contact to people you follow then limit number of accounts you can follow.
            But... it's in fact not a limit at all as one could:

            1. follow another account
            2. write a message on the account
            3. unfollow the account.

            things like direct communications between two friends

            I fear it may not be enough(*) and that even if Duolingo were to chose to go into that direction, that they would have to limit the number of direct messages per hour or minutes (or dozen of seconds, or 5sec...).
            Duolingo may not want to enter into that kind of things. Plus, it would probably induce a lot of messages on forums each time two users chatting would reach the limitation "per period of time".

            (*) some users were using the Activity stream as a sms discussion and/or a "direct messaging" software, with many many many messages quickly sent

            without making automatic posts of things like "UserX learnt a French skill" which must have used up a lot of space?

            They were likely a few percentages of the datas compared to all the direct messaging.

            April 26, 2017

            https://www.duolingo.com/KolonelSpons

            Okay, thanks for your reply, and your honesty about the decision you faced. I still think it's prett