https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Just in case you wanted to be any more confused by German...

April 23, 2017

59 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/le.cal

Das ist umwerfend! This is stunning!

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Umwerfend! That's a new one! Vielen Dank! Werfen is the verb that just keeps on giving ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fenix_vulgaris

Du meinst, dass "werfen" eine Menge abwirft? ;)

separable prefixes:
abwerfen - to drop, to be profitable
aufwerfen - to raise (a topic/question)
auswerfen - to eject
einwerfen - to throw in, (figuratively) to pop pills
nachwerfen - to throw after, (figuratively) to give an abundance of something unwanted
umwerfen - to throw over, to wow
vorwerfen - to hold against/accuse
wegwerfen/fortwerfen - to throw out

inseparable prefixes
bewerfen - to throw at
entwerfen - to design, to plan
überwerfen - to fall out with someone
unterwerfen - to subdue
verwerfen - to discard

April 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

This makes me want to cry a little bit but also to learn through my tears ;)

April 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fenix_vulgaris

Here is a collection of blog entries for prefixes/verb combinations. I hope, it will be tears of joy! ;)

https://yourdailygerman.com/category/german-prefixes-2/

April 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Sniffle. The amount of categories alone makes me want to weep ;)

April 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

I know, how you're feeling! Learning Portuguese and still being at the "very beginning" (acording to English!), sometimes I want to cry a little bit, too...

But then I'm reminding myself, that I "mastered" English (and even my native language!) already! That started with a few words, then sentences and finally learning a little bit each new day! :-) And even the listening to English... In 2005 I couldn't understand a thing in American English, without subtitles in German... Someday later I got really irritated hearing English and at the same time reading German, so I switched to English subtitles... And from there... Today I don't even need subs anymore (only if it's mumble-jumble, very quiet or a strong dialect) :-)

Have fun as you are learning... That's the main incredient here... And like you said, you have German friends with whom you can practice and learn in a fun way :-)

April 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Yes, that really is amazingly helpful! Until I drive them all crazy anyway ;) I feel like Macauley Culkin in Uncle Buck when he's firing all the questions at him haha! Best of luck with your Portuguese adventure!

April 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xuxuli

"Me: How do I toss a salad then? Manfredas: You don’t."

:(

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ericsonn0

Would not, ''Den Salat werfen'', do it!?!

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Der-Michael

You shouldn't throw your food! ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ericsonn0

Essensschlacht!

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

Wouldn't a "Kissenschlacht" be awesome? Instead of a "Essensschlacht" :-D Imagine the latter to be really messy with lots of cleaning up afterwards ;-) A "Kissenschlacht" would only be fun :-)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

I feel the idea for a German porn movie coming on ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

Can't reply to your post anymore... Porn movie? :-O I only thought of Kissenschlacht between friends or lovers ♥, but definitely not this ;-)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ericsonn0

Picking up all those feathers; my back!

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

Picking up all those feathers; my back!

You shouldn't have brought old feather pillows then :-P

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

No... You only could "den Salat wegwerfen" (into the trash) or "jemandem den Salat zuwerfen/rüberwerfen" :-)

But I'm wondering now: Couldn't it be "Ich werfe den Salat zu Dir"? In this case, what is "zu" here? A preposition or is it bound to "werfen"?

Haha, even if one is a native... When you aren't sure of grammar anymore, you're wondering about some things, too :-D

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Der-Michael

"Ich werfe den Salat zu Dir"? In this case, what is "zu" here? A preposition or is it bound to "werfen"?

In that case, it's definitely a preposition.

Not a separable prefix. If that's what you mean by "bound to werfen".

Verb prefix:

  • Ich werfe dir den Salat zu

Preposition:

  • Ich werfe den Salat zu dir

Haha, even if one is a native... When you aren't sure of grammar anymore, you're wondering about some things, too :-D

Sometimes that's one of the few advantages of learning a language as a second language rather than a native language. There are lot's of English rules I automatically know/follow, but I don't know "why" those rules are there or even that they're there at all.

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

In that case, it's definitely a preposition.

Are you sure? I could change the sentence like this: "Ich werfe Dir den Salat zu"... Is it possible for a preposition to stand at the end of a sentence?

Not a separable prefix. If that's what you mean by "bound to werfen".

Yes, that's what I meant - so I probably shouldn't use bound in this way?

With English it's like with German... I'm so used to reading, writing, listening, but I barely know the rules, too... That happens, when you immerse yourself with spoken language and "copy" a lot of it ;-) Someday I want to be able to use it like my native language :-)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Der-Michael

Are you sure? I could change the sentence like this: "Ich werfe Dir den Salat zu"... Is it possible for a preposition to stand at the end of a sentence?

When you write "Ich werfe dir den Salat zu" then it's a separable prefix. The verb is now "zuwerfen" with an indirect object.

When you write "Ich werfe den Salat zu dir", then it is a preposition. The verb is werfen with a prepositional phrase ("zu dir").

As a preposition, "zu" can not be at the end. Though there are prepositions that can go to the end. for example "entlang". So when you see "zu" at the end, you know it's detached from the stem of the "trennbares" verb.

Also, remove the "zu" from both sentences and note the position of "dir". As a simple personal pronoun, as it is with "zuwerfen", it takes a different position than it does in a prepositional phrase with "werfen".

Yes, that's what I meant - so I probably shouldn't use bound in this way?

I wouldn't say you were wrong by saying "bound to the verb". I just wanted to make sure I was understanding what you meant correctly.

Someday I want to be able to use it like my native language :-)

From what I can tell, your English is already very good, so you must not be too far off from your goal! :)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EmmaH883755

Animals can also werfen ;) ... when they get their young!

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

Unfortunately, I do not know how to lingot bomb people. If I did, you would be swimming in lingots. :)

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

We should ask Duolingo - in German. Lingotwerfen perhaps?? ;)

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

Ha ha! Have some more lingots! :)

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Woop! Lingotschwimmen!

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

I would say: "Werf doch mal ne Lingot-Bombe rüber!" :-D

Oh! Just realized, that "rüberwerfen" wasn't mentioned in the blog post at all! :-) But I'm not sure if it should better be "hinüberwerfen" instead of "rüberwerfen"... Could be some colloquial thing...

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Oh lord...

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Der-Michael

I think you hold down "Enter" before clicking "Give Lingot"

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

Yeah, exactly... I tried that just now and so you got 4 Lingots :-D

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

It does not work for me. :(

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

I completely forgot: You need to press the "Enter" key on the number pad - at least that's what I've done :-)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

Nope. It only gives one lingot .

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

Did you hold the "Enter" key down (the whole time) while you clicked on "Give Lingot"? :-)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

Yup.

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Der-Michael

Are you on the new website or the old website?

Click here and use method 2 in my post.

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zzzzz...

The old.

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Ha, you guys, I leave you alone for 5 minutes... ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SimoneBa

And I thought nothing would ever throw you...!

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Delta1212

I'm just going to throw this out there that sometimes you can't help being thrown for a loop.

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Ringwerfen is also a thing - hoopla ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SimoneBa

Ha, ich schmeiß mich weg, you guys ;-)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Consider me thrown.

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HansWT

Then there is always Mark Twain's classic on the German language... http://www.kombu.de/twain-2.htm

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

I'm reading his book ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Grandmumm

That is an entertaining read! :D

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Ha! Thank you very much! Thankfully Germans have endless patience when helping you with your German!

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Delta1212

Yeah, remembering all of the distinctions between the many, many different prefixed verbs with the same root is one of the things that still trips me up.

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Same! It's so difficult. I guess it's the same in English, but we just don't really think about it!

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kajo76

This blog post was really funny! :-D As a German myself I really don't think about all these prefixed verbs at all. Maybe I should think about it some time (like with grammar and all those things you use as a native without giving it much thought), because that could help me in understanding the language I'm learning right now :-)

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Thank you! Yes, it's always worth thinking about - making connections, comparisons, what works, what doesn't. I'm not annoying at all when I'm out with German friends, as you can tell ;) "Passt?" is my most-used word. Most of the time, the answer is NEIN! ;)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lorel90

Very funny.

April 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Thank you :)

April 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

I can relate. These kinds of conversations are the story of my life since moving to Germany.

April 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lindaog

Ha, yeah! Tell me about it!

April 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Micah91582

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