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Weekly Incubator Update WIS (WIU) Old one

Latest Weekly Incubator Summary (WIS) :

Please see the new updated post list: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/44078495

week 11 https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/48127190

April 27, 2017

45 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garpike

This will be very helpful. I always located the latest WIU by looking on jitengore's stream, but now this is no longer possible, and the forum search feature is useless for differentiating scores of posts with very similar titles.
I was considering leaving him a message somewhere suggesting that he post a link (maybe in the form of a tinyurl) to the most recent update somewhere in his profile information so people can find it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

the forum search feature is useless for differentiating scores of posts with very similar titles.

here an example of search entry that does let you find the WIU you want.
If you search for

own && progress && 2017 && "to April 16th"

(respecting the logical connectors and the quote marks) in the forum search engine, you'll find the last WIU (it's currently the only return to that exact query).
For the next ones (or a specific past one) just replace the characters April 16th (and, in 8 months, also 2017) by the ones corresponding to the last WIU.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garpike

That's fine if you know the exact date. However, he doesn't always post them on the same day; there's no way to find the latest one (or even find out if there's a new one) without trying every possible date (the 'new' tab is also useless).

One elegant solution would simply be to sticky the latest WIU (unstickying the old ones whenever a new one is released). I know that Duolingo staff really hate to sticky anything, however...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

That's fine if you know the exact date.

Well, I didn't before looking for it and it wasn't long to find it. ;)

he doesn't always post them on the same day

it's most of the times a Sunday, otherwise generally either a Saturday or a Monday. So testing 9 searches and you'll almost always have the last one (as there are very rarely period longer than 3 weeks without a new WIU).
I honestly (and personally) don't find it that long to make 9 searches (with only one date to change between each).


If it goes for a sticky, then IMO it would be more elegant to

  1. Jitengore creates (and close) one general WIU discussion in which it'd list the last one (no need of more than the last one has links to previous ones), that staff stickies
  2. Each time Jitengore release a new WIU, they
    1. unlock the general one
    2. change the link to last one
    3. lock back the general one

I find it more elegant because:

  1. less sticky/unsticky actions (staff, but also part of users, don't like it)
  2. unstickying the previous one and stickying the new one each time, needs staff as only staff can sticky on the General forums (at least those for the 6 first languages), hence risks to often not be done (or weeks later).
  3. changing the sticky one will disperse the upvotes while only one will concentrate them (hence the post will one day also be on top of "All time Popular"

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garpike

You make a convincing argument. I wasn't sure whether or not moderators could sticky, but if they can't, a single post is obviously better.

But something really should be stickied, or lots of people won't be able to find the latest WIUs. Even this post is practically buried by now. And the progress of courses in the incubator showcases the best of Duolingo's vision—it deserves a sticky.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Melarish

I agree. I had to make a thread asking for people to point me to the newest WIU thread...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

the newest WIU thread...

@Melarish, I recommend to use the userscript shared here. It reorganizes the menu to switch between courses and includes at the bottom of it a link to the last WIU. You'll never have to look for it.

N.B.: Since Duolingo's website isn't "uniform" (the forums are under an older version than the rest), the userscript works on pages that are under the "new" version of the website (mostly everything except forums).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheNecromancer10

Hello everyone, I've been making a compilation of the Incubator Summary posts, which can be found here:

https://old.reddit.com/r/The_Necromancer10/wiki/incubator_summaries

I've been making this compilation so that people can read through multiple summaries without having to open them in separate tabs.

Anyone is welcome to help me develop this compilation! If you would like to help edit this page, send me a PM or a modmail to /r/The_Necromancer10, and when doing so, please include your Duolingo username.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Hi all,

if you want a "one-click" access to the last WIU, without having to looking for it, you may be interested by the (last version) of this userscript which includes a link to the last WIU (automatically retrieved by the script).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wstockall

It's been a while since the last weekly incubator update. I'm kind of curious if the changes that made this post necessary are also causing problems with Jitengore's ability to track the messages he was using to create the updates.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

If you refer to the messages left by contributors and that jitengore is copy-pasting then I don't think it has something to do as those messages are still there, at the same place and under the same format. They are on the incubator's page of each course and those pages didn't changed at all, the incubator isn't impacted by the revamp of the (main) website.
So jitengore can still access to them as before.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nueby

When it comes to replicating the WIU, the tricky part is to collect the correct percent completion numbers. It seems that there are three main groups of courses: (1) those that openly say how done they are in their frequent public status posts, (2) those for which the course summary page % done is used (which matches the "inspect element" of the main "Course Progress" bar displayed on the course status page, good to know for courses without monuments), and (3) those for which the completed words:total words ratio (matching the "inspect element" of the main "Complete all words" bar displayed on the course status page) is used. I would certainly say use method (1) if available. Beyond that, there will not be a universally acceptable choice between (2) and (3), and if the course has only a stump of a tree with a misleadingly low total word count, no reasonably accurate method exists without self reporting or additional assumptions and arithmetic.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Personally, I wouldn't give any credit to those %age except if they are some RECENT manually computed by the volunteers. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nueby

It would be very kind of each team to publicly state and update their total word count target. Then any user able to do division can figure out a value as accurate as anything the course moderator can produce.

ETA: When the user knows more than the team early on, use the average number of words in a course. Using a 2000 word total with the then-current words completed for the courses starting from scratch will beat the pants off almost any number produced by Duolingo for those courses automatically.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Not sure all teams know that at the beginning (when discovering how the incubator works) nor, probably, before being around the half of (what will be, but they don't yet know) their final tree.
But, as soon as they know, yes it could be good to do so if they could.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ISpeakAlien

Could you please add links to the discussions for the WISes here?

Ĉu vi bonvolus ĉi tie aldoni ligilojn al la diskutejoj por la Semajnaj Kovilaj Resumoj?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga

Tell you what, would you like to maintain that list here ?
You would not need to create a new comment post each week. Just edit a sub reply, such as the one immediately above here - where you ask for a volunteer to maintain a list of these discussions. You could volunteer to do this.

Or alternatively, better still, create your own separate discussion to create that list and links - in a similar way to what I do here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

IF duolingo were to instead adopt SMF forum technology, they could easily have a forum where we could easily find things. And, the top most board, could contain all the pertenent data for Incubator, news, and so on. Every board could have sub-boards. Board Deutsch. Sub-boards Englisch, Italianisch, etc.

However, being that Duolingo doesn't like useful forums, they poo-poo'd my idea before. I doubt they'll buy into to it now. Thanks for posting this though!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LongHenry

thank you for this


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga

Of all people, you LongHenry, are very welcome.
I am glad you find resources such as this useful.
It is also a pleasure to me to see you around.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noah_OS

WOW! GREAT POST! I couldn't believe there could be so much information in one post. Thanks, DaKanga

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