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Memrise has abolished sharing mnemonics — come to the rescue, TinyCards!

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Memrise yesterday got rid of the ability that allows one to see other people's 'mems' and share one's own (1). This was one of the most useful features of its website and, in many ways, the whole point of it. It is extremely helpful, when trying to remember anything, to see dozens of often very clever and amusing strategies other people have come up with previously. Without this, Memrise is basically an inferior version of anki.

My message to Duolingo, then, is: please add a way to collaboratively share mnemonics on TinyCards.
If you do, I'm sure you will immediately attract a lot of people from Memrise (the reception to this on the Memrise forums has been overwhelmingly negative). If you add a way to bulk-add cards at the same time, they might well bring whole courses with them, too. Memrise has taken a bizarre decision to eviscerate itself, and now there is a gap in the market the size of a barn door.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/vc120
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That's terrible! I like your idea though.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FloweringIris.
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This is a great idea. I don't understand why Memrise would take away that feature. It was one of the most significant ways I remembered words!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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That's awful! Thanks for the information...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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They already have multi-fact card faces in Tinycards. They withdrew this for a while as the usage results weren't good. I think this was caused by some deck authors adding explanations as facts, and these were not that suitable for testing. I came across this quite a bit.

If they allowed deck authors the ability to mark additional facts as not testable, then this should not be a problem. The additional facts could be: explanations; etymology; hints; mnemonics ("Mems"); or whatever. Either in image form or text.

They they just need to allow deck users to see the whole card when they get an answer wrong.

[I realise with my way that the responsibility to create mnemonics is all on the deck author]

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SenorDustin

As a teacher who uses memrise as a supplement, this is actually a breath of fresh air because I have seen some mems that might give me some trouble with students' parents. Now, if there are any, it is because the students are making them themselves.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DanD_8
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I'm not sure why you were downvoted. I was in the same boat. Without stricter controls it was becoming a distraction to actual learning.

I hope they're about to roll out a new version with the option to select which mems you see.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/knudvaneeden
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Removing this method seems a big step backwards. E.g. assuming that the average user is going to generate this themselves will certainly not take place. So this information is now lost.

This 'image mnemonics' or 'memorable image' method has to me always been proposed as a very strong learning method.

The more bizarre the better, as it should grab the human attention more than the normal. For example an image of a tiger coming towards you probably grabs more of your attention than the image of buying a milk in a supermarket.

-E..g. by Tony Buzan in his book: 'Use your memory' http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/mem/0498supm.htm

-Mnemonic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic

-Interactive imagery: http://www.intropsych.com/ch06_memory/interactive_imagery.html

-Mnemonics: Memorization: Sound: method of similar sounding words which describe (optionally absurd) images (visual imagery, uses the 'memorable image' method to learn languages.

http://www.unforgettablelanguages.com

E.g. examples they give there:

The Arabic for DUCK is BOTTAH Imagine you cover a duck with butter.

The Arabic for FISH is SAMAKAH Imagine you smack a fish.

The Arabic for BANANA is MAUZAH Imagine you give a mouse a banana.

The Arabic for COFFEE is GAUAWAH Imagine you go away for coffee.

...

The Russian for JUICE is SOK Imagine drinking juice from a sock.

The Russian for BREAD is KHLYEB Imagine joining a club to get some bread.

http://www.unforgettablelanguages.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/russian.mp3

...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Have you seen this?

"Hey everyone,

Let me jump straight to it: we are releasing a new update that reverts the mem changes for all community created courses. You’ll again be able to see mems created by other Memrisers.

We thought this change would benefit the entire community, but what we’ve heard here is that other learner’s imaginations are an important part of making your own learning experience super-powerful.

We still believe there is an issue to address regarding mem moderation, and will continue to work on a long-term, scalable solution that works for both savvy learners who wince at nothing, educators around the world that need to look after their students, and everyone in between."

I was wondering if I was imagining things when I suddenly saw other users' mems again while learning new words today... :-)

Two lessons (for Duolingo) here, I believe:

  • Please listen to your users.

  • I was able to find this new post very easily, despite hardly even having been on the Memrise Forums, starting from the post linked to in the original post of this thread.

Yay! :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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I'm very glad to hear this. However, it doesn't seem to be working properly yet—clicking 'choose another mem' still causes the original mem to vanish and show nothing available to replace it with.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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I'll have to see if it works for me for old items as well... But anyway, I seem to be a beta tester for their app, could it be that you just haven't gotten the latest update yet?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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I tend to use the website, not the app.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Ah, let's hope it reverts back there as well!

1 year ago