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Health gems app vs lingots version

If you are trapped in the version with health and gems and don't like it go to the app store and vote it down. Put in comments you like duo but hate the health gem version.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/DaphneTheSnail

I haven't had experience with gems but right when my sister got onto Duo sh deleted it because health was so awful.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kwalter13
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I too have been frustrated by the iOS app experiment. Trying to start a campaign for us iOS Duolingo users to ask for what we want, instead of having glitchy gems and health. Not sure Luis is reading the iTunes app reviews but I noticed the drop in reviews and started a thread to remind the Duolingo team to rethink their direction. Way to go! Let's get this fixed.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jb510
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This "health thing" is really bad. Ive used duolingo for years usually studying while I'm in a country. Recently I went to France for the first time, so I fired up the app for the first time to start learning French and immediately got locked out. Figuring this was just the new way of things I gave up and deleted the app never to use it again. Weeks later I noticed the website was still the old way so I started using that again for Spanish on my computer.

TL:DR; I instantly gave up and missed studying a new language for a month because of getting blocked by "health" as a new learner.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phlamazda

have no idea what "health" gems are(:-/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Duo is running an AB test some phone users get a health bar every wrong answer lowers their health when it reaches zero there are three possible options. 1) wait about 8 hours for it to reset 2) limit their activity to review of previously learned material 3) buy gems with real money to renew their health. Apparently duo tried a similar product in the past and it was not as popular as the current version but I suspect they want the revenue that would come with it

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phlamazda

ok thanks

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_Help

Its a test, down voting it won't do anything.

Just wait for it to finish, it hopefully will soon.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Downvoting the app is the fastest way to end the AB test with the outcome we desire.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_Help

and also hurting the app its self just for a test to end.

That's like a protest, that hurts the company the most, which then hurts the people who use the product, because Duo can't get any revenue/whatever.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Negative feedback is one potential result of an AB test. I've spoken with people who dropped AB because of Health

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_Help

There already has been negative feedback.

Luis himself said that they were taking care of it.

I suggest that everyone wait if the owner himself is saying that they are taking care of it.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22361747

Edit: Since for some reason I can't reply. It's the first comment of the discussion

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Luis agreed AB testing the new website while doing AB testing of the new website was difficult he didn't say duo would not be adapting health universally. The day it shows up on my app is my last day on duo and yes I will make that clear in feedback

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Where did he say that? I have not seen anything from him like that. All he would have to say was they were ending the test

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gcpugh

That's fine

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phlamazda

what is up with this AB testing anyway, like, what is its purose?!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

AB tests are simply a way to choose between two outcomes in this case Duo runs two different versions of their website and compares user reaction to them. For example they recently artificially raised the fluency score of a group of users to see if those users spent more time on duo. As it turned out they spent less and what caused the disaster was when they ended the test without notice people who were in the test group saw their fluency drop 20 points overnight. Needles to say they were upset. An AB test isn't inherently bad. Right now Duo is running a test where some app users get a health bar and when it expires from making mistakes they have to either quit and wait, just review old content, or pay for more "health" in the form of gems.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lou772780

There is one nice feature of the gem version. If you have not visited a topic for some time, it gives you an opportunity to take a test that is longer and a bit more comprehensive than a regular review of the topic. If you pas, that topic will not be repeated for 30 days. However, Duo charges 200 gems to take the test. That was fine when they had somehow converted some of my lingots to gems, but now I have used up all those gems on tests and Duo wants me to buy more at $4.99 for 1000 gems. Without the gems Duo does not allow me to take any more tests.

I have always passed the tests. I am not sure what score you need to pass or what happens if you do not pass.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

That is NOT a nice feature. If the data says you should refresh sooner then giving you the option to pay not to refresh hurts you in the long run. It's the same deal as allowing you to buy health. If it's important to take breaks then letting you pay to skip them hurts you. Granted you are cooperating to hurt yourself but they are dangling the carrot.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lou772780

The nice feature is the tests themselves, not that you have to pay for them or restricting when you take the tests. The tests have only been available to me a few times, but they seemed to be a better and more comprehensive way to review the material than doing one practice session to turn a topic on the tree from colored back to gold.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

But if you only need to test once for 30 days why doesn't strengthen last for 30 days. Have they convinced you to pay for something that may not be in your best interest?

1 year ago