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When and when not should I use the euphony rule?

I've never been to Ukraine, so I would like to ask some real Ukrainians this. When and when not should I use the euphony rule and also pronounce в like a /w/? I know when в is pronounced differently but should I do this in everyday speech? Personally, I prefer the sound of it but does it sound overly formal if pronounce things like piwden', wtrata, u mene ye instead of pivden', vtrata and v mene ye?

May 1, 2017

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1) verb endings in past masculin -в : був /buw/, писав /pysaw/ etc are always pronounced /-w/

2) preposition в (=in) according to euphony rules in some cases in written must be changed to у, both в and у are often (not always) pronounced /w/ - all variants will be acceptable

3) for me pronouncing piwden', wtrata sounds exaggerated, pivden', vtrata more natural

4) funny that Latin diphtongs au, eu are pronounced with /v/, not /w/ in respective words; авто, евкаліпт... (though eu more often became ей)

But generally most people simply do not pay attention to these subtleties, like Spanyards to /b/ and /v/

May 18, 2017

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No I meant is it formal?

May 18, 2017

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There is no such thing as 'formal' pronouncing in Ukrainian. Even TV announcers on different channels follow different standards.

A bit formal is to pronounce plosive ґ when necessary (ґрунт, ґудзик etc), but also people pronounce it as fricative г, especially that in most cases these words are written with 'normal' г (грунт, гудзик). Also in Russian the 'shebboleth' for Ukrainians is fricative г.

So don't try to be hypercorrect. Simply say as it is written, and it will be OK in all circumstances

May 22, 2017
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