https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson

Despise the new site. All userscripts broken, very disappointed.

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I utterly loathe the changes. All of userscripts are broken. The site is far less functional for me than it was. It does not fit my needs.

Doing a reverse tree was really helpful with the Reverse Tree Enhancer, which did some amazing things to make the reverse tree so helpful. Now the best I can do is keep the sound off when I do a reverse tree.

The Course Switcher was absolutely essential. Now I guess I will have to create new accounts for each of my base languages, because it is a pain-and-a-half to swtich from Spanish-for-English to English-for-Spanish, for example.

DuoLessons Fixer allowed me to pause between questions during a timed exam. Let me look things up, study sentence discussions, go to the bathroom, deal with domestic issues etc. I have a lot interruptions at my home, and this was important in making Duolingo fit my needs. Now it's gone.

Skill Strength Viewer let me work on the skills that really needed work. Duo's algorithm is still off. I was improving in my comprehension and progress so much better with the Skill Strength Viewer.

The Correction Insistor was so important in learning an utterly unfamiliar language like Polish, where I found the spelling challenging. Wouldn't let me go on without correcting. Now this is gone, and I will have much more trouble with Polish, Irish, and a few others.

(It seems to me that if they were going to rewrite the website, they would have included the functionality many of these scripts, especially Course Switcher, Correction Insistor, and Skill Strength viewer. )

I was already unhappy with the loss of the Activity Stream. There are people now I simply cannot get in touch with. :( Such a loss, and so unnecessary.

And why bother to get rid of the Monthly leader listing while keeping Weekly and All-time?

Or why bother to get rid of settings like having the voice automatically come on (and there are a few others missing.)

Finally, I notice now that the Review button is gone, which used to appear at the end of each Lesson. This was extremely helpful. It is so hard to believe they would remove functionality this way.

Bottom line: Extremely displeased & considering deactivating my account.

UPDATE: The Words tab is still there for courses that had it, but the Flashcards program is gone. Now it's just a vocabulary list. (Yes, I know about tinycards.com, but I kinda liked the quick and dirty review of the flashcards, as inadequate in other ways as they were)

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/SeptimusBones
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Pretty sure that userscripts were never officially supported, so getting angry at them for not working automatically is quite uncalled for. In fact, I would say that a major rewrite of a site automatically means that programs made for the earlier version may not work properly. It's common sense. After all, userscripts have always come with the caveat of "may not work and may break things". Whether or not the functionalities should've been incorporated directly to Duo is a different matter entirely. As it is though, I'd recommend waiting that the makers of the userscripts adjust them to work again.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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If they were going to rewrite the website, they should have incorporated the functionality of these scripts into the site, especially Correction Insistor, Course Switcher, and Skill Strength Viewer. And Reverse Tree Enhancer would have been worth including, too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SeptimusBones
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That is a fair point to make, but then criticize that to begin with. Although I would argue that such implementation of new features (especially so many) is perhaps wisest to be done after a major site rewrite. The more things are done simultaneously, the bigger chance there is for something to break. Nevertheless, as I said previously, that is an entirely different matter.

Secondly, activity stream was removed previously for entirely different reasons (and we were poorly informed about that). Luis has stated that a substitute system will be incorporated though. When, and how, remains to be seen.

Lastly, I strongly encourage you to edit your previous posts to add further points, instead of making a new one for each (when answering the same comment, of course). It's more pleasant for us others to read, the discussion remains more concise and overall it looks more appropriate.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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The breaking of the scripts is not the only change I dislike. I also dislike the removal of Activity Stream, and the removal of the Monthly leader list of Friends.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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A replacement for the Activity Stream is in the works.

The user scripts will need time to be updated to work with the new website.
Here's the new course switcher: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22412321

It takes time to rewrite, and debug, and test.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Thanks for the link. I appreciate the effort being made on this, but the new Course Switcher is almost too much. I don't need to see every course, just the ones I am enrolled in. It's kind of overwhelming to make them all available that way!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Well, although I appreciate the efforts that jrikhal is making, right now that script is unusable to me because it slows down the website too much and the menu list is too long for my monitor. Without a scrollbar I miss quite a few languages.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Then I fear you'll have either to code a userscript yourself.
Or wait for (and hope that) the author of the old Course Switcher will update theirs.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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If I had the talent and the skill to write a userscript, I would not tell a user to write one himself when he reported that it did not work for him or was creating issues. And I would hope that someone wouldn't give me lingots for making a remark like that to a user. I would rather try to fix the script.

(And I see you are trying to fix it in your thread on your script, so thank you very much!!!!!!)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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  • I try to fix the bugs when they are reported clearly (as in answering to the questions I ask about details after someone reports a bug).
    Up to now, none have been.
  • I try to improve things (like adding a scrollbar) when mentioned/suggested by users (but not when "asked").
  • But I'll not change things that are done the way they are, on purpose.
1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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Without a scrollbar I miss quite a few languages.

The new version (released today) has a scrollbar. ;)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Yup! Tack så mycket. Thank you very much. ¡Muchas gracias!

I am testing it now. I am also trying to see if the slow-down is due to some extensions conflict, so it will be some time.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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It appears to be functioning ok. I will give you more details shortly, if I can get that other discussion thread to load.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Why is it downvoted? This is my thread, and I am trying to respond to the remarks that people make to my issues.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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A replacement for the Activity Stream is in the works.

Do you have more information about this?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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Not much, unfortunately. Here is what I do know:

We understand that social connections are essential, and we plan to expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible.

Source: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22226909
You might want to right-click, open in new tab. It has almost 600 comments and takes a while to load.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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I tested it, and it greatly slowed down my system, to a crawl.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

What amazes me is despite how popular switcher was Duo didn't Incorporate it into their rewrite.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Isn't that astonishing?

1 year ago

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Maybe they will add it later. I think their goal was to first rebuild the site exactly the same as it has been, but faster.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Perhaps, but if that was the goal they need to learn to aim higher. Adding it later will never be as efficient as incorporating it from the ground up

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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So true. It is much to easier and more efficient to incorporate features from the beginning rather than to add them later.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Except that it is not exactly as it was. For example, they removed Activity Stream. They also removed the monthly leader ranking among your Friends; there is only weekly and all-time.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/skelkingur
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Author of the skill strength viewer here.

I haven't seen the new website yet so I'm unsure if the script still works or not. I might get a chance to look into it later today and then post an updated script here.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Thank you very much! ¡Muchas gracias!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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BTW, I did mention that your script would break in this previous post. I can attest as one who is now using Duolingo 2.0 that it is definitely broken.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/skelkingur
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Here's the fixed script: https://github.com/halfdan/duolingo-skill-strength/raw/master/skill-strength.user.js

Uninstall the old one and then install the above ^.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Wow, I appreciate the work you put in to this new script! At first it didn't seem to work correctly, but then I restarted my browser (Pale Moon), and now it appears to work fine!!

Thank you very much! Danke schön!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Actually, I was not able to install this in SeaMonkey. I got this error:

---begin error message---

Download Error

Error downloading URL: https://cdnjs.cloudflarecom/ajax/libs/lodash.js/2.2.1/lodash.min.js

Unknown error.

---end---

UPDATE: I tested it in another profile, and I was able to install, so clearly the fault was in my default profile. After resetting all my SeaMonkey preferences, I was able to install the script successfully into my default profile.

UPDATE_2: But it will not run in SeaMonkey 2.46 in Ubuntu 14.04!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/skelkingur
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Curious - just tried to fetch above URL myself and it was blocked somehow. Might have to replace this with a different hosted version or simply code the functions I use manually. Thanks! I'll definitely investigate this!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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I deleted my previous replies, because I have better information now. The script runs, but I find I must refresh the home page every time I visit it to get Skill Strength Viewer to appear.

This is true in both Pale Moon and SeaMonkey (running in Ubuntu).

(There was also some interference from uBlock Origin, but I think I have straightened it out.)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Duolingo was mainly written in Python and the new site has been recoded in Scala. I guess that's why all scripts cease to function. Since I'm not a developer, is it difficult to rewrite such a script and transfer or rewrite the code from Python to Scala?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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There's another thing I noticed regarding switching courses. Say you were working on Spanish-for-English, and you leave that tree open in a tab. Then you open you settings in another tab and change your base language so you can practice Inglés desde Español (which opens in another window). Then if you go back to the first tab (Spanish), you can't work on any Skills in that Tree! That was not the case in the previous site.

1 year ago

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I guess I never had several windows open at once, so i didn't notice this change.

1 year ago

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Despise the new site. All userscripts broken

It could hardly have been different, see the comments about that in the new website version's announcement post. We'll have to wait that the authors of each userscript update their code.

The Course Switcher was absolutely essential. Now I guess I will have to create new accounts for each of my base languages, because it is a pain-and-a-half to swtich from Spanish-for-English to English-for-Spanish, for example.

It's more painful to logout one account + login in a new account.
Even without any script, you can switch by one click to any course (after having defined bookmark). See here.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Well, I wouldn't log in and log out. If I couldn't have mulitple acounts running at the same time, I would have a different account on each of four browser profiles.

I was not aware of the bookmark method. I will try to test it when I have a chance.

1 year ago

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I just noticed that Review button is gone. This used to appear at the end of a lesson. I found it extremely helpful to review, especially after a timed test. And now that the new site has broken DuoLessonsFix, which paused the time between questions, the ability to review lessons is more important than ever. Yet, Duolingo took it away.

(I am updating my original post to include this issue.)

1 year ago

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One thing I've noticed is that now when you click on "Discussion", it opens the sentence discussion in a new tab. So as a workaround, you could click Discussion and keep plowing ahead trying to complete the lesson without running out of time. Then at the end of the lesson you could review the opened tabs.

1 year ago

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Hello again, and thanks for your suggestion. I tried that. What happens is that a window or tab opens, and then that tab is focused, and then I have to jump back to the tab I was on, and then I lose a few seconds. When I'm running too close to the time, which is typical, it becomes impractical.

1 year ago

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I hadn't even noticed that. Bummer.

I usually do untimed practice when I want to read discussions, and timed practice when I just want to plough through the material. For me, the whole point of timed practice is training myself NOT to stop and think things over. It helps when I listen to radio/video or in a real conversation and don't have time to ponder.

1 year ago

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Does that mean that the dictionary feature actually works? (when you hover over one of the words, it turns blue, and you can go to a page that links to other discussions with that word, etc)

1 year ago

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The dictionary feature does work. So that is a plus.

(Of course, there is no time to use it during the timed test without some kind of pause feature!)

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https://www.duolingo.com/FaithFL

That's sad

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I know, it's driving me crazy. I'm not mad or anything, it's just driving me crazy.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FaithFL

well, i understand.

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hello Katzenperson, I hear you!

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Sorry if you know the following and still find it insufficient: you can switch base languages by clicking the flag to the upper left of your current tree and then typing the first letter of the relevant string for the language you want to switch to (e.g. "q" for Spanish, "j" for French"). You can continue scrolling through the list by pressing that key again. Granted, this is much less useful for switching between courses from German, Dutch, and English, but I find it more than adequate for going to Spanish-based courses.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Thank you for you response. Unfortunately, that does not work any more. I tried to explain this before, but I guess I did it very badly. I'll try it again.

After clicking on the flag, which takes me to the Language page, I no longer get the menu with "Quiero aprender inglés" or "Je....." or "I want....". Instead, I get only the names of the learning languages available in my base language... e.g. Spanish French, Italian if I am based in English; or Inglés, Italiano, Francés, etc. if I am based in Spanish; or Anglais, Espagnol, Italien, etc. if I am based in French.

Therefore, to switch base languages from English to Spanish, for example, it is now necessary to click on "See all language courses". This takes you to the page "Language Courses for English Speakers". Then there is a menu "I speak: English". You click on the word English and pull-down and select "Spanish". Then finally, you click on the particular course you want: Inglés or Italiano or Francés or Alemán, etc.

So you see, it is a lot more convoluted now. If you are able to click on the flag and see in your Language page "Quiero aprender inglés" etc., then it doesn't look like you have been fully switched over to the new site.

1 year ago

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Why the heck was my response downvoted? I am answering the person's question as to why the switching became more complicated. It is absolutely relevant, and I spent a lot of time trying to explain as carefully as I could exactly what the problem is.

The whole upvoting and downvoting thing is yet another thing that I do not like about Duolingo. Relevant things or things that are negative, but alas, true (because life isn't all sunshine and flowers) get downvoted and vanished, and then facetious remarks in the Sentence discussions get 256 upvotes.

1 year ago

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Therefore, to switch base languages from English to Spanish, for example, it is now necessary to [...]

Or to use one of the methods described here: various of them (for some "once setup") aren't "convoluted" as they are "one click" or "two actions" processes.

1 year ago

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I have a question about the code you are using here for the bookmarks. When I tried to post it in another thread, pieces of it kept disappearing. The ampersand and the base language code kept just disappearing.

You can see it in the top example of your code, but in later examples you fixed it, and I see the ampersand is highlighted. How did you do that?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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I see the ampersand is highlighted. How did you do that?

with ``.

`a` gives a

1 year ago

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Ah, gotcha. I hadn't seen this change mentioned elsewhere. No, I don't think I have the new site at all. So https://www.duolingo.com/settings/direction now only gives you options from your current base language (or it just doesn't exist any more)? That is ridiculous; we didn't need more ways to access what we already had.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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Noticed another loss, some settings are removed. And flashcards are gone. Updating original post.

Oh, and the ability to free-write a comment when reporting a sentence error is gone, too.

1 year ago

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To all who are following this discussion: I have written to the authors of the various scripts that I was using before this woeful upgrade. I would encourage everyone reading to do likewise Let's see if we can't restore some functionality to this website!

1 year ago
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