https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mohammedalaraby

Disappointed

this would be my third time to write the same topic.

I met someone yesterday who speaks French fluently where I work.

I was telling that I do study and really interested to be better in french

He told me this will never happen, and told me that Even if i spent 10 years I will never even be speaking french properly.

this guy totally killed my hopes.

is that true guys?

May 5, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AminA44938

Most people overestimate what they can do in one year and underestimate what they can do in ten years.”

― Bill Gates

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/staplesnout

I like this quote!

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ripcurlgirl

Terrific quote!

May 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JudgeFromUranus

Why would you ever listen to someone else's views?

That's like listening to people who tell me just stick to learning one language? ermm, no, I don't think so...

Do what makes you happy, if you want it enough, you can achieve it.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/starboystellan

wow that's crazy! You do a lo of duolingoing!

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pfirsch_

I think that's harsh and incorrect.. I've been learning French properly for around 3-4 years and I have French friends, if I couldn't speak French "properly" then I would assume they probably wouldn't even understand me? I'm not saying I'm fluent, I'm no where near, but I wouldn't listen to them. If you enjoy it go for it

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Bvogel1

Some people indeed have odd, non-helpful reactions to hearing that someone is learning a language. Twice now, once with French and once with German, I've mentioned that I was learning the language to someone who knew it well (but was not a native speaker)... instead of being polite or encouraging, they rapid-fired a long succession of dialogue at me that no one who was actively learning could possibly have understood, and then looked at me like they dared me to answer. I took it as a deliberate attempt to show off and "blow me off the road", and I thought it was very rude. Try not to let negativity like that discourage you.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leandroksalles

That's so true, Bvogel1, this has happened to me so frequently as well that I'm a bit ashamed to test out my basic French with friends.

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Qwl8143

I learned how to speak basic French fluently after 2 years of intense study. I'd like to believe that doing the same would be easier in 10 years.

The guy that told you that you won't succeed is either arrogant or just plain ignorant. The fact that (I'm assuming) he speaks English himself is proof that it isn't impossible to learn a second language and speak it well. Keep on practicing and I'm sure you'll be able defile that means man's words.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandy944184

It will be much easier to speak fluently in 10 years, provided you continue to use your langue skills regularly. I started my second language when I was 10. That was a few decades ago, and I don't use mine all the time, but I pass for French amongst native speakers ;0)

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/staplesnout

Don't listen to fools. There are many people on this little planet whose only achievement is to speak their own native language, so they are jealous if someone else tries to do this. They are especially aggressive if their language is quite hard. I have experienced it many times in Hungary. Don't let them win. 1. It is possible to master the language. 2. You must not know it completely perfectly to use it with normal people.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lanny.ripple

Your co-worker's comment says more about him than it does about learning French. Will you always speak with an accent? Probably. Will you do graduate level studies of French history in French? Probably not. Can you be fluent let alone speak French properly? Pretty easily.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PrimaPeregrina

Mon cher Monsieur Mohammed, You need to read the book (or listen to the book on CD - even better) called "Flirting With French: How a Language Charmed Me, Seduced Me, and Nearly Broke My Heart" by William Alexander. He talks about just this kind of arrogance with a FEW French speakers.

He compares someone from France who's learning English; the Frenchman will ALWAYS have a French accent when he speaks English, and that's just charming. Same for someone else learning French; you will ALWAYS have your own accent, and that's just fine. You will still be able to correctly assemble sentences and have correct syntax, but you won't speak like a Parisian. Who cares?

If Monsieur Arrogance thinks that only Parisian French is proper (and many do), that's his loss. Ignore him.

But do read the book!!

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandy944184

"Someone else learning French; you will ALWAYS have your own accent, and that's just fine." Not necessarily. A learner will always have their own particular voice and register, but it's perfectly possible to speak at native speaker level and pass for native (French in this case) and just not sound like a foreigner in that language. I do and I expect there must be others who do. Mind you, I've never met a French person who could speak any other language without sounding like a French person speaking another language. ;0)

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Num624Jn316

No, if you really want to become fluent and work hard, it's possible - many people become at least almost fluent in a second language so it's definitely not impossible! Here's a lingot!

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mohammedalaraby

Actually he said it is okay to be fluent in any language except this one :(

English my second language AND I speak it fluently almost better than my native language now. and I work for american/Canadian company as a customer service agent.

That's why I felt really down.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Num624Jn316

Why would he say that? Isn't English harder to learn than most languages? French is definitely possible to learn fluently, as I know people who have done it.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mohammedalaraby

Thanks buddy for your positive comments. .

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandy944184

whoever this fellow is, he has a very negative attitude here. He's also wrong. I speak several languages, two of them fluently at native speaker level, and I know I could chat with that man in French and he wouldn't know I wasn't French unless I chose to tell him.

If you're old enough to be at work, surely you're old enough to ignore this level of ignorance from another?

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MadelTello

I have friends whose French is their third or fourth language and they speak it fluently enough to be hired by a company that either is part French, or makes business with French people. Don't get discourage. Prove him, or her, wrong! You can do it!

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LanguageButcher

But native french doesn't speak french properly, and who cares if we don't speak french properly. The goal should be to be understood.

I'm not even sure what proper means. If you speak french 100% properly, no french person would understand you.

I think he speaks about his own experience. I know a guy who studied Russian two years ago. Now he told me he speaks as well as Russian natives, and he's studying to get a PhD in a Russian university. He also knows 6 other languages.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mandy944184

"Native French doesn't speak French properly and who cares if we don't speak French properly"? Please clarify. It does matter whether one speaks correctly of not, because some error are so bad they will cause you to be misunderstood.

As fr this person telling the OP he'll never be ablet o speak French... ignore him. That's a spiteful thing to say to anyone. I know someone who makes a big point of mocking anyone who speaks any language other than English.. says "I think we shoud all speak English..." This is probably because he only speaks English.

I suspect this person may be somewhat jealous of you. OP... don't let him bug you.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/themissroya

Wow. He sounds like a real cool guy with a lot of friends. >:( Learning the language for a few years myself, I've encountered quite a few native French speakers who take that same attitude, but there are also SOOO many more others who have been very helpful and encouraging. So, at the very least, people like him are a sad little minority. Please, have a lingot and keep studying. Don't ever let anyone's condescension get in your way!

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoaoJosede1

Hey Mo French people never speak English like a native. So what I done the tree english to french and tree portuguese to french and I'm struggling with pronounciation. A Congalese work colleague is very supportive. He is an emigrant in South Africa. My parents were Portuguese emigrants. So I won't speak portuguese like a native. That does not stop me walls are put in your life path for you to get over it. Please keep on learning. Duolingo has been fanatastic it taught me to read and be educated my home language which I only spoke. I'm going to keep chiselling at French regardless how long it will take

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/04Amanita

NO! I have a friend who spent six years at least working really hard at learning English. Now, ten years later, his English is effortless and he sounds like a native speaker. Don't let one thoughtless comment ruin things for you.

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lorel90

France has a ton of immigrants who speak French fluently. I have friends who are fluent enough to study in La Sorbonne university in Paris, I speak some French and I think it is not so hard. Many French people do not like even Canadian French, do not pay attention to those people.

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/frankxc

he's obviously wrong but you are also wrong in even thinking he is remotely right

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stweiss2

I agree with the others that you should spend less time talking to this guy (who is a total jerk) and more time talking to other people who are supportive. Also it is not necessary to speak French perfectly in order to speak it "properly." :-)

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Horako224

Don't mind him he was just being a ❤❤❤❤, ignore such people and continue learning. This is literally one of the worst type of people. Don't let them get you down. If i hear someone say that to me i just study harder on purpose lol that's like a reverse psychology that helps me so i can prove them wrong.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NeSmilga

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.” ― Henry Ford. Don't let negative people or jerks to kill your dreams. Better take his comment as a challenge :). Bon courage.

May 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ripcurlgirl

Another great quote - 2 in a single thread!

May 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Renzzzzzz

His opinion is worthless, and not based on anything; especially considering the amount of people that have learned French as adults and are now fluent.

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/elfinoz

Work hard. What you learn and how much you learn is entirely up to you. Don't let some idiot tell you that you can't do it. I've literally seen people walk off a boat with no English skills and become reasonably fluent within a few months. Others hide away and never engage with our language and still can't speak English 20 years later.

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leandroksalles

What does "properly" even mean? If Oscar Wilde's quote were ever true, "life is too short to learn German", there wouldn't be people out there learning German. Just forget about pessimistic quotes and engage on your own learning!

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stancen

I spoke fluently when I was 3 years old (even though my vocabulary was really limited and I didn't know how to read or write). 10 years is way too long, but if you never talk french with other people, it will be kinda hard. You could watch people talking french too. I really don't think it's impossible, especially since you are english, you already know the alphabet, it wouldn't be the same if you were japanese or chinese, you would have to start from scratch. Some words are similar, too.

May 6, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sophie_678

whoever that crazy person is you don't listen to him i think it won't take you long at all,(: quiters never win and winners never quit -Vince Lombardi

May 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sophie_678

look if someone tells you "no you can't do it" you tell them "yes i can do it no matter what you think say or do"

May 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lily588188

Don't worry. Duolingo is the spoken language of French. Don't give up this is also my dream to be able to speak 2 other languages- and t is coming together nicely! :)

May 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sumit_Raturi

Work on yourself, let them talk.

May 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RodrigoM107

Of course you will never reach that level of proficiency unless you were born the place the language spoken. We need to be machines, or have a software being inserted within your brain to be alike somebody Native speaking. Forget about that!..Feel proud youre doing great and people understand you when speaking that language in particular. When english people go into a country were english is not spoken there, Dont they sound funny speaking the other Language?.though this people manage to understand them..The important issue remains that we can communicate and they can understand us each other well.

May 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kaleab18

Screw him pal,it's just that there are people who enjoy discouraging others.Show him your best and let him get ashamed of him-self dear!

May 8, 2017
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