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Swedish Course?

Hi there, I would be very very grateful if we could incorporate a Swedish course on this fantastic website. I have never been so excited to learn languages before I found this website. Swedish is very cross transferable to Norwegian and in some respects, Danish and I think it would be worthwhile creating a course for it. What are your opinions? Cheers

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/swtoby
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I'm strongly rooting for a Swedish course next, myself! Seeing as there's now so many languages in the Incubator, I'm surprised there's still no Nordic language up in the mix. But then again, given the amount of native Scandinavian speakers that speak English, maybe the Duo team was waiting until the "...for English speakers" part of the Incubator was done, because some languages might go straight to the reverse part without first having an "English for..." course.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Themetalbassist

I don't know though, there are some Scandinavians who don't speak English so well, and who may want to improve their English. The Dutch are known for their high-level of English but Duo still made an English for Dutch speakers course first.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swtoby
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You're right. I reckon I'm a bit too overly optimistic and hopeful that a Swedish course for English speakers will pop up rather sooner than later, but who really knows.

It's kind of a guessing game on what languages will enter the incubator next. Somehow I wish the Duo team was a little bit more open about what's in their plans for the immediate future, how they choose the incubator languages, etc.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoulSkrix

I'll be going to Sweden to live there for a few years next year so I really do hope that by then there is a Swedish for English speakers course. Although I'll learn there, it'd be quite nice.

Lets hope for the best I guess :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ashxrt
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I'd also like to spend some time in Sweden, although they speak pretty decent English over there it'd be respectful to learn some of their native language :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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There are speakers of any language that don't speak English well, not just Scandinavians. On the other hand, there is a huge number of Scandinavians who speak English beautifully. Their fluency is amazing. Maybe the dutch are in the same league, but I don't know.

It would be great to have Swedish for English Speakers, I agree.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Flandrian

I just wanted to say that the Dutch and the Flemish aren't really known for their high-level English at all. Sure, the young generation is very proficient in what is mostly "street" English but put them in a work environment and they shut because they realize their level isn't nearly as high as they thought. I know because I used to be one of them, thinking my English was awesome until I noticed I was lacking basic grammar, correct spelling and a lot of vocabulary. This is why I went to the UK and the USA for an extended period of time, which not only improved my English greatly but it also granted me with the "talent" to actually mimic dialects effectively. So much even that, when I was in Ireland, locals asked me in a pub from which part of Ireland I was raised because my accent seemed peculiar. I have been to Norway and Sweden and I agree that their level of English is higher over there but there is a big gap too. People seem to be either really fluent or they don't speak English at all, no matter if they're young or old. I have no clue about the reason for this though.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CecilieO.

most of the people in norway that don't speak at all are just shy/lack confidence.

But for both younger and older people (teens and grandparents basically) that still need to work on the basics, it would be great with a fun app to work with.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aceridgey

I would say that the Scandinavians are the best non-native English speakers in the world.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Themetalbassist

A lot of them are, but not all of them. I have met a Swedish person who struggled with English before.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lavinae
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Of course those reasons mentioned by FrankySka through harryclark17 apply: building the "English for X-speakers" course first is convenient since the tree's already there and so is the text-to-speech synthesizer ('the voice').

However, there's also another major reason why building the "English for X-speakers" course first is important.

Actually, these "English for X"-speakers courses also precede the reverse ones ("X for English speakers") because, when working with the English tree, which is the same for each course that teaches English, you also translate the interface of the website into the other language.

This means that when building an "English for Swedish speakers" course, f.i., the website, incubator, content of the emails, etc. will be translated into Swedish. This makes the incubating process accessible to those Swedish speakers who are not proficient in English but bilingual in another language-pair. Consequently, further language combinations can then be made which, in theory, do not require a knowledge of English at all.

Seeing as giving users the ability to actually start building courses themselves is still a main priority of Duolingo, building courses in this order makes the most sense.

In addition, by creating a native-language platform of Duolingo (so, in this example a Swedish platform), the website and app gain national popularity. This could either be a convenient by-product of creating this course or a Duolingo strategy. ;)

In short, there are plenty of practical reasons for starting with the "English for X-speakers" course.

In the end, the only thing I really wanted to point out though is that the choice for building an "English for X-speakers" course or not has nothing to do with an assumed high/low level of English skills among speakers of certain nationalities. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lmartinsson

I may apply for it in the incubator, as I believe I'm quite fluent in both languages. Considering that English is compulsory in Swedish education, it'd make more sense to teach Swedish for English speakers than the converse. It seems a lot of people would like to learn it and I'd like to spread the culture a bit anyways.

I'm certainly no linguist, however, so hopefully there's other Swedes that would be on board.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deguo
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You should definitely go for it! A lot of us (including myself) have wanted to learn Swedish for a long time and it would be great to have as many applicants as possible. Also, everyone on this website will love you forever :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joel__W
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Here comes the (amateur) linguist! I have applied for both "Swedish for English speakers" and the reverse, since many seem to say that the "English for..." courses are approved faster. I hope I will see you and other people applying.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ewoutx
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That's it! Bravery! :) A lingot is yours.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joel__W
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Thank you! I got an email that they would contact me (and others?) in a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure if that is just a standard reply to all applicants. But I hope development can start relatively soon :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/perajoe

Yes please go for it. I would love to learn Swedish with Duolingo and I am sure there will be more Swedes that will be willing to help you out!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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Go for it, for sure! nyguy is right to encourage you. It would be great to have a "Swedish for English Speakers" course, here, as well as the reverse course. (Here's a lingot for encouragement.) I would definitely begin studying it, myself--once current courses are complete, as 3 at once is far more than enough.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GordonVanDyke

I hope this happens. I just downloaded the App hoping it had Swedish as it's the only language I'm interested in since I now live and work in Stockholm. My daughter (3yo) already speaks way more Swedish.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BloodOnIce

You are more than capable to do it. Your English is all but immaculate and your Swedish is even better. I would greatly appreciate your involvement.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aceridgey

Thank you sir! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/harryclark17
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"Hi,

The Duolingo team consists of only 30 people and adding a language is A LOT of work.

However, Duolingo developed a great solution for that: new courses are added by the community via the language incubator: http://incubator.duolingo.com. Currently, the team is adding roughly one new course per week to the incubator. So for some courses it will take some time until the get rolled out, while others are already there.

A lot of courses start with “English for speakers of Language X”, because the structure of the English trees already exists (something that needs to be established by the moderators of the Language X for English speakers courses first!), as do the sound files and other little bits. For a lot of languages it is also advantageous to start this way because the team is still working on the best way teach things like another alphabet.

The reverse courses e.g., “Language X for speakers of English” will enter the incubator once the original course is out of beta (or close to being out of beta). The reason being simply that a language team cannot work on two courses at the same time, as there is still a lot of work to be done in beta.

In future, please use the discussion's search function :-) Happy learning!”

-FrankySka, Moderator

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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lol, I though that looked familiar ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/harryclark17
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haha yeah

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/celebrim
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I would be happy to help

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cyneburg
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Swedish would be so great. A lot of my favorite bands come from Sweden, although their songs are written in English and the lead singers usually speak very good English, I'm still interested to learn Swedish. Also, to understand the few songs that they have written in their native language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TTANTAWY
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As I'm starting to develop an incomprehensible interest for Swedish these days, I couldn't agree more.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ewoutx
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My question exactly! I followed a small Swedish course a few years back, but really want to improve it again. It's not urgent, I can wait a few more years. :) But learning Swedish on Duolingo would be great! I am trying to spread the Duoling site among Swedish people and hope that somebody will pick it up and want to create te course here. Can somebody tell if there are already people lining up to start building the course in the incubator or not? Do I look further for new people? I would help if I could! :) Thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveLando
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I want danish!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuinnJacobus

I too would very much enjoy a Swedish course!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ForestFog

Still no Swedish course? =o(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/celebrim
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I would like to see more recognition in terms of gamification for language course contributors.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leon.Ruben

I would be very happy too if Doulingo had this course. I'm learning Swedish right now, but it would be good if I had a course in this website. I think is more useful than bulgarian or rumanian per example. If you learn Swedish then you can understand Norwegian, Danish and some Finnish, which it's so interesting because Swedish could be the key of the north. (Swedish is the most widely spoken language in scandinavia) There are a lot of people emigrating to scandinavia because their high life quality standarts and their wealth.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A38drys
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Don't expect to understand Finnish if you know Swedish. They are totally different languages. But for understanding Danish and Norwegian it will be helpful.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/guysnake

I think Norwegian should be the first Scandinavian language. After looking at people's opinons, and looking at different translations of the same thing, I have seen that Norwegian is the most transferable to Swedish and Danish. In fact, Swedish seems to be the most far off the 3, though still very similar.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aceridgey

Norwegian and Swedish are almost identical, just different words for the same object.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joel__W
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Well, this might be true for the spoken language, but from what I know the spelling of Norwegian (bokmål) is a lot closer to Danish. "Identical" is really too strong a word for Swedish and Norwegian, as they differ grammatically as well. As a Swedish speaker, I find Norwegian fairly easy to understand, but it depends on the dialect of the speaker.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amld

Swedish would be great, just like Finnish.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Athenicuber

Finland is supposed to have the freest news.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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They [Finnish Radio] broadcast news in Latin every week, FWIW, and its slant is quite liberal, if that's what you mean by freest.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Athenicuber

i meant government censorship on the news.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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Oh. About that I have no idea.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sommerlied
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While I do understand and appreciate the current push for Nordic languages... the world doesn't only consist of Europe and America. For example, what about those 200 million something Bengali speakers? Or Punjabi? Tamil? Urdu? Persian? Thai? Tagalog? (Not to mention that we don't have a single African language yet.)

All of those languages mentioned above have 5-10 times more native speakers than Swedish. And for many people access to education is surely not as easy and normal as in Sweden. In short, Duolingo could make a major impact in people's lifes. While I certainly do not advocate for that to be the only criterium, please also keep it in mind :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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> . . . what about those 200 million something Bengali speakers? Or Punjabi? Tamil? Urdu? Persian? Thai? Tagalog? (Not to mention that we don't have a single African language yet.)

sommerlied, I've seen such comments before but do not understand them, really. Since Duolingo implemented the Incubator, it seems to me--please correct me if I'm wrong--that what holds back development of a particular language course is lack of developers, not competition with other languages for Incubator resources. What about the speakers of these languages! you say. Well, where are they? We are not holding them back. Perhaps you can convince some speakers of the languages you mention to apply to develop courses in Duolingo's Incubator.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sommerlied
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Thanks for your answer, I'd like to explain what I am basing this on.

From what I've read in the discussions so far, there still is a bottleneck. Now the community can develop courses, which is a huge progress. But, it's not like Duo just adds 100 new courses to the incubator on the same day. The course contributors work closely together with the Duolingo team. In other words, the Duolingo team has to spend time on selecting moderators, managing the teams, answering questions... and so on. In addition to that, maybe for certain new languages, or language combinations, the incubator/the website itself has to be adapted. I could for example imagine that languages like Japanese and Thai, that do not use spaces between words, posed a problem at the beginning. The Duolingo team has been releasing new languages at a pace of roughly one new language per week. It's because they want to get it just right, and probably also because of the reasons described above.

Considering all this, Duolingo indeed has to prioritize which language will be incubated next. It's not like nobody has applied for those languages I mentioned above. As far as I know, people have applied, but haven't heard back yet.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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> Considering all this, Duolingo indeed has to prioritize which language will be incubated next.

All your points are well taken. But I'm sure that Duolingo has prioritized its schedule. We, however, don't know what priorities Duolingo has set. Maybe, for instance, adapting the site for the languages you mention is difficult, they are working on it, but the task is not complete and they will not begin to implement such language (i.e., you will not hear from them) until the technical problems have been worked out. Maybe, since European languages are much easier to add, they are being added as resources permit, while the prep. for more-difficult-to-implement languages goes on in the background. Who knows? It would be silly for Duoling to hold back languages the site is ready for, just because some other languages have not yet been added.

I wouldn't assume that Duolingo is not working on those languages just because you haven't heard about it yet. Take heart from the fact that a pair of Russian courses are being developed. Russian is the first language implemented here w/ a non-Latin alphabet, which has marked (probably) a big expansion of the site's language-handling capabilities. That's the language I most hoped for; it seemed like nothing was being done, and then suddenly it was announced.

Definitely I'd keep pushing for the languages you want to see here, but keep in mind that we don't know at all what Duolingo is doing behind the scenes. It is wiser to keep mum for awhile than to announce vaporware.

(Man, I often wonder if I can ever write just one short paragraph.)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Panouck

Same here. I saw that the app works (I have been learning French already) and it would be great to learn Swedish now!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RimaSavara1942

Please add Swedish to your courses.
Rima Savara

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leon.Ruben

I would be very happy too if Doulingo had this course. I'm learning Swedish right now, but it would be good if I had a course in this website. I think is more useful than bulgarian or rumanian per example. If you learn Swedish then you can understand Norwegian, Danish and some Finnish, which it's so interesting because Swedish could be the key of the north. (Swedish is the most widely spoken language in scandinavia) There are a lot of people emigrating to scandinavia because their high life quality standarts and their wealth.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/servesnoone

I wish Swedish was allowed! That would be so cool!!! Go SWEDISH COURSE!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Panouck

Good news! Swedish is coming in August in beta version! Hejdå!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mustardaesthetic

yeah, i mean we have all these other languages on here, why not let swedish be one of them, hej duolingo listen up! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteffieRobertson

I have been trying for almost a year to learn Swedish in formal classes. Jag talar bara lite svenska. Though I try. Would be nice to see a Swedish course that is quick and more fun than formal courses.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rberkelman

PLEASE, I would also be grateful . .. Any anticipated date for release?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kent105

Hatching..

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alpacagirl92

i am swedish and do tradition like corve and Luckfishk but i dont know how to speak it all i can say if tackamakea (thank you) and valcommea (welcome) i would like to learn more.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Maya735772

this course is very easy to learn Swedish , I like this web side thanks doulingo

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hennie719112

Hi, i follow the swedish course. Is there any explanation when to use ert er dinna (your)

Thanks

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ClockworkElf

I can't believe we now have courses in development for Pirate, Lolcat and Zombie, yet still no sign of Swedish....

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lavinae
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Those are courses that were launched for April Fool's, as a joke, and are still around because they are being used for internally testing features of the incubator. They are by no means under development. :)

4 years ago