https://www.duolingo.com/YinxL

The Health Bar are not user friendly(Duolingo For iPhone)

I tried 4 days in a roll about the new Duolingo with the new health bar, it is not that good as i thought. the purpose of this app is help people find a easy way to learn a new language, the new health bar make it more difficult. I m an employed, dont have enough time to learn new language, so i set my daily goals just 20xp , before the health bar came out, i can reach my daily goals easily within 20mins, but when the health bar came out, it take longer. Besides, its hard dont make mistake for people learning a new language. In previously version people dont have to worry about the mistakes they made, as long as they can finish the progress bar, its all good. But right now, only got five chances, after 5 strikes without money (the green one)you out. start over again. so annoying! I know this is a free app, if you guys wanna make money, please do it another way.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
garpike
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Quite apart from genuine mistakes, there are still too many correct answers that are not accepted. Even in the long-established in-house courses I still regularly encounter them, particularly towards the ends of the trees; and in newer courses, they can be extremely numerous indeed.

Should any Duolingo staff be reading this, I have three small suggestions: firstly, take all beta courses out of the health system—users reporting mistakes are an essential part of the process of improving the course, so they should certainly not be penalised for doing it.
Secondly, allow people to make a mistake and report 'my answer is correct' without losing health at least once per lesson in all courses—again, reporting missing translations helps Duolingo and there are still plenty of them in courses that have long graduated from beta.
Thirdly, make the health system independent for every language—I appreciate the idea that users should be encouraged to master material before moving on, but making too many mistakes in German should not prevent them from being able to take a new lesson in Russian.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kaphinga
kaphingaPlus
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Ouch! Being penalized in one language for making mistakes in another language is indeed disturbing.

Fortunately, Health has not appeared on my iPhone yet.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaghtaersis
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The health system is not independent for every language...........czech,Japanese and korean are going to be hell on app for ios.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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As long as Health doesn't come to the web, beta should be OK, as this is usually only available on the web. App access usually comes much later, when the error reporting rate is dropping. Note: Japanese seems to have been the only exception to this pattern.

I agree with your other two points.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
garpike
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Currently, Hungarian, Swahili and Guarani (and possibly others I haven't tried) are all on the app in beta.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Yeah, I have never seen Duolingo share their criteria for making beta courses available on the app. Sometimes it seems to indictate that the end of beta is approaching - so my assumption has been that it is usually linked to the error reporting rate. I can't prove that though. Swahili might be a good exception, as it had an unusual release into beta.

Making beta fee of Health, would create a weird dynamic though, where people groan about, instead of celebrating the end of beta. And then weeks of new users complaining that Health appeared in their course one day (people often accept things, if they are that way from the start).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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I think it is a reasonably safe assertion that Guaraní and Swahili are the two roughest courses on the site, and yet they're both available on the app. And I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese is available on the app from Day 1, given that the alpha testing has focused on the app version.

Luis himself said they will do something about the health / beta course problem. I guess we wait to see what it will be.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
garpike
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I got an email a few days ago that pointed me here if I'd 'been finding that the Hearts system has been making it hard to alpha test' [the Japanese course]. I don't know quite what it does, but I presume it removes people from the health system.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laura33124
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I haven't had it happen too often but I have noticed that a correct answer is sometimes marked as wrong and that's frustrating. I figured the algorithms aren't perfect, and that's OK. But it does appear that the new health bars are making it less-than-OK for some people (and eventually will come to all of us). I like your idea of allowing people to report "my answer is correct." That could improve the system!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bill147479
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Don't pay them a dime. Don't support this shameless money-grab. Get on the App Store and give them a bad review due to the health feature, and when they hopefully remove it, give them a better review.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ingebj
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I think a lot of us who are employed and can afford an iPhone would be willing to pay something for the service. But currently I am being offered the option to pay 55 NOK to get 350 gems (that is the amount needed to buy full health/ being allowed to make 5 mistakes), going from zero payment to that sort of rates without improvement in content does seem like an odd strategy, even if it is (maybe) a test.

EDIT: Losing health in the middle of a lesson today I was offered the option to buy 1000 gems for 55 NOK. That would not even give enough health to finish 3 lessons since I am trying to get to grips with one of the subjunctive skills, one of the harder parts of Learning Italian. Went back to the website which still gives the possibility to learn from one's mistakes.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DonFiore
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The best (and probably only) way to make them listen is to stop using the app until the health gets removed. If you need to do Duolingo on the go, just use the mobile browser.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaphneTheSnail

I completely agree. It might have some benefits but ultimately, an extremely small amount of users actually enjoy the feature.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Go to app store and score Duo a one with note about hating health

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MagWid1

My son, who is eight, is learning Spanish on his iPad, and he hates the feature (I'm on Android so not affected). I certainly understand that DL needs to make some money, but this is a pretty shameful way to do it, given that it clearly prevents users from practising and learning.

I hope they remove it, and come up with a better system...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Derek840005

It's a shame that what started out as a free language learning service really designed to help people sold out like this. You can't expect new learners not to make mistakes. If they didn't then why are they even using Duolingo in the first place?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chasefalcone9

thats bad

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Have you tried doing some revision before attempting a new lesson?

As I understand it you get some Gems for strengthening and some for meeting your daily goal. I was wondering if the strategy might be be to earn enough Gems beforehand, so that you can replenish your Health within a new lesson, if required. Then after the lesson, repair Health by strengthening within the Health menu, again if required. Then back to building a pile of Gems ... repeat as necessary.

[I have not used Health myself yet]

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TestPanda

You get like 2-10 gems for a review. It's 350 gems to refil hearts during a lesson. This isn't really feasible.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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On mine at least it's 350 gems to refill health before a lesson. If you run out of health during a lesson, it's 450.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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That's a shame - I thought I saw people getting more than that. Perhaps they are A/B testing different amounts?

It's almost like you have to pre-study the material before attempting it on Duolingo, just to make sure your number errors are gong to be low enough to complete a lesson. Or give up and use the web. At least the latter should show up in their stats.

Thanks for the feedback.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YinxL

The health bar IT IS TOTALLY A ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ YOU GUYS ARE FKING GREEDY I TRIED ESP LESSON Obj.Pron 2 DAYS IN A ROW, ALL ENDED IN RUN OUT OF HEALTH. FTS! IT TAKE MORE TIME TO REFILL THE HEALTH

1 year ago
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