Some Thoughts From Up On The Irish Tree
A few days ago, I climbed the Irish tree after a year of working on it!
let me thank the Irish learner community here. I've never seen the Irish forums very active, but the little activity I've seen has been wonderful. There are some people I'd like to mention specifically:
- Sheanchai35, you made me fall deeper in love with Irish!
- The very presence of proficient learners like you, scilling, Knocksedan, and galaxyrocker is an encouragement to learners like me, and your insightful comments will continue to help, I think, every Irish learner here at some point.
- I haven't had any contact with gufcfan, but I saw him offering help with Tree 2.0. (And I'm utterly sorry to say that hasn't resulted in anything with Duolingo staff as active and caring as they are)
- I'd also like to mention Shanow22, who, again, I never had any contact with.
You people [including the people I forgot to mention!] have been among the most helpful people I've met online, you have my deep gratitude.
Some friends have been very encouraging towards me and my efforts to learn Irish, but naming them here would be rather irrelevant!
big thanks to Team Irish, for everything they've done. The Irish course here is probably the most fun course I've ever seen online, and it's been my principal curriculum so far. There are also sentences I don't like or approve of as well.
I'm particularly glad the old audio was replaced by the new one before it could affect my pronunciation negatively, and even more glad that the new audio is a human being speaking, it's better than TTS, at least to me.
I'm still not versed enough in Irish to say what was right or wrong with the course, but there are three problems I can mention off the top of my head:
- The shortage of audio in some further skills, especially the ones teaching tenses, is disheartening. Someone once mentioned the speaker was paid (I can't verify anything), so I understand recording everything could go over the budget, but still, I'd highly appreciate if there was more audio. With the same speaker, of course, not a synthetic voice.
- Irish relative pronouns should be covered better. Of course, there's always room for improvement in everything, but this is one of the subjects that needs more serious work.
- And stating the first two problems is currently like knocking at the door of an empty house and expecting a reply. That also raises the problem that sometimes the audio says something and the text says something else. Well, I'll keep hoping for a Tree 2.0.
I understand there's a long road ahead of me in learning this beautiful language, but for me, this was a milestone. I'll keep honing my skills here, and engage in more advanced practices outside of Duolingo. Thanks for reading!
p.s. Feel free to correct any mistakes I might have made!
Thanks for the shout out Aria. Another used tipped me off, as I haven't contributed here in a quite a while.
The Duolingo staff seem to be focused on other things and an almost complete lack of communication or acknowledgement of the issues that were raised... made the decision to just forget about it quite easy.
Best of luck on your language learning journey. I hope you use your time on Duolingo as a springboard to learn my language.
We're both on the same side, so don't need to thank me on this. I've been shouting since Immersion was removed (and I wasn't an Immersion user), and I'll keep at it. Maybe with this new code and the "easier implementation" or something, they'll try to keep in touch.
But enough of these things on this post! I'll make sure to bother you with Irish questions, some time in the future! Go raibh maith agat.
Congratulations — I hope that you’re enjoying the view from up on the Irish tree. ;*)
[I’m] even more glad that the new audio is a human being speaking,
To be fair, the old audio recordings were also of a human being speaking. (Duolingo’s speech synthesis system doesn’t support Irish.)
Quite the view, go raibh maith agat! :D
Oh, I've expressed that in a bad way. I'm just glad the replacement audio isn't TTS, but the old audio was indeed organic as well! Thanks for pointing it out though, it's always good to be corrected.
Now there's someone I was hoping to see! :D Go raibh maith agaaaaat! Jumps up and down with you
Is that a reply to Emilie146? If that's directed at me, I'm afraid I don't understand it.
Okay, so I'm a beginner on learning Irish....Is there any ways that can make the memorizing and learning easier?
- I tried to finish a skill in two days max., stopped, used Timed Practice several times on the skill until I thought I had a good grasp of the sentences (not words specifically), then proceeded to the next skill.
- Take care not to to rush through the tree and not to be stuck on the same skill.
- It's a good idea to try and repeat the sentences after the speaker, or pronounce sentences that don't have audio.
- Keep the tree gold!
In my opinion, it hardly matters if you memorize singular words, as long as you're immersing yourself in the language.(My experience with learning English proves that)
I use TG4 shows on a daily basis, with Gaeilge subtitles (if available), and try to figure out what everyone is saying based on the words taught to me here on Duo; not try to memorize the words by heart, but finding them in context. My Windows is in Irish as well, and I try to listen to Raidió na Gaeltachta when I can. Trying to read and translate material is also helpful.
There must be things I've forgotten to mention, or maybe some points are vague to you. I'll be glad to help or present additional resources if you be more specific.