XP needed per level
Hey guys, I got a question. I was wondering how many XP-points I need per level to reach the next one. I'm asking this because I want to reach lvl 25 in Spanish and I'm aiming to get 100 XP points a day.
Though I'm adding yet another chart, I put mine in a format that's easiest for me to understand at a glance. Maybe you'll find it to be the same:
- Level 1: 0 → 59 (60 point span)
- Level 2: 60 → 119 (60 point span)
- Level 3: 120 → 199 (80 point span)
- Level 4: 200 → 299 (100 point span)
- Level 5: 300 → 449 (150 point span)
- Level 6: 450 → 749 (300 point span)
- Level 7: 750 → 1,124 (375 point span)
- Level 8: 1,125 → 1,649 (525 point span)
- Level 9: 1,650 → 2,249 (600 point span)
- Level 10: 2,250 → 2,999 (750 point span)
- Level 11: 3,000 → 3,899 (900 point span)
- Level 12: 3,900 → 4,899 (1,000 point span)
- Level 13: 4,900 → 5,999 (1,100 point span)
- Level 14: 6,000 → 7,499 (1,500 point span)
- Level 15: 7,500 → 8,999 (1,500 point span)
- Level 16: 9,000 → 10,499 (1,500 point span)
- Level 17: 10,500 → 11,999 (1,500 point span)
- Level 18: 12,000 → 13,499 (1,500 point span)
- Level 19: 13,500 → 14,999 (1,500 point span)
- Level 20: 15,000 → 16,999 (2,000 point span)
- Level 21: 17,000 → 18,999 (2,000 point span)
- Level 22: 19,000 → 22,499 (3,500 point span)
- Level 23: 22,500 → 25,999 (3,500 point span)
- Level 24: 26,000 → 29,999 (4,000 point span)
- Level 25: 30,000 and up
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For those who may be interested, here is what the sequel would be if we would continue the series based on the tendency of the current mapping:
• Level 25: 30,000 → 34,999 (5,000 point span)
• Level 26: 35,000 → 39,999 (5,000 point span)
• Level 27: 40,000 → 45,999 (6,000 point span)
• Level 28: 46,000 → 52,999 (7,000 point span)
• Level 29: 53,000 → 59,999 (7,000 point span)
• Level 30: 60,000 → 67,999 (8,000 point span)
• Level 31: 68,000 → 76,999 (9,000 point span)
• Level 32: 77,000 → 86,999 (10,000 point span)
• Level 33: 87,000 → 96,999 (10,000 point span)
• Level 34: 97,000 → 107,999 (11,000 point span)
• Level 35: 108,000 → 120,999 (13,000 point span)
• Level 36: 121,000 → 133,999 (13,000 point span)
• Level 37: 134,000 → 147,999 (14,000 point span)
• Level 38: 148,000 → 163,999 (16,000 point span)
• Level 39: 164,000 → 179,999 (16,000 point span)
• Level 40: 180,000 → 196,999 (17,000 point span)
• Level 41: 197,000 → 215,999 (19,000 point span)
• Level 42: 216,000 → 235,999 (20,000 point span)
• Level 43: 236,000 → 256,999 (21,000 point span)
• Level 44: 257,000 → 278,999 (22,000 point span)
• Level 45: 279,000 → 301,999 (23,000 point span)
• Level 46: 302,000 → 326,999 (25,000 point span)
• Level 47: 327,000 → 352,999 (26,000 point span)
• Level 48: 353,000 → 380,999 (28,000 point span)
• Level 49: 381,000 → 409,999 (29,000 point span)
• Level 50: 410,000 and up
(I didn't go further as I don't think anyone have that much XP)
When I first saw this post a few weeks ago, I thought it was merely interesting. However, on further reflection, I think there’s some merit in extending the XP levels beyond 25. In the pre-crown era, if you achieved level 25 in a language, then it almost certainly guaranteed that you had completed the tree and done considerable practice. But with the advent of crowns, that’s no longer the case. As an example, to complete all the lessons in the French tree (Tree 8) to crown level 5 will require almost 72,000 XP. Extending the XP levels above 25 would provide a more appropriate measure of achievement in the crown world.
Pre-crown Era it took me until Level 13 to complete the Spanish Tree. Post Crown Era I am Level 16 in Danish and not even halfway hahaha.
Typically D&D and video games had an increasing requirement for each level because harder monsters awarded more experience points when defeated, but this is not the case here. An increasing span should be balanced by awarding more points for higher skills.
Hi Gwaugle. You're welcome. In the link you shared, this is the cumulated amount of XP over all the languages one may learn on DL. When I meant I didn't think anyone would have more than level 50, it was relative to one specific language. But still, maybe if someone trains for decades on the same language, it might happen XD.
Actually, if you want to know how close you are to leveling up, just check your profile. There is a row saying "XP to next level" or something, which will display a number that is the amount of XP needed to advance.
Yes! Even if you receive messages from Duo saying that next level is 26. Or maybe your app can show you have reached level 26 offline (already reported bug). Keep practicing every day.
But you are Level 25 in Spanish and Level 8 in French. These are XP Levels. Perhaps you are thinking of Crown Levels, which has a maximum of 5.
For Duo, having a single "level 25" ceiling common to all languages, irrespective of particular language content, provides a lowest common denominator language "badge" in the Duo game that some attain in any given language, then once they collect it, I guess some forget that tree and move to another language - why not be a multi-badge apparent polyglot, and skip to another language if that is your Duo game? - I'm not knocking it, it looks like it's a game that some players really get into. Just search “level 25” in this forum, lots of congratulations, now I can move on… etc. Your public profile never goes beyond level 25, so why stick to progressing in a language past that? So you can perhaps get A1 CEFR in multiple languages and I completely see how that works for some Duo gamers. But for other Duo gamers intent on getting good in one, or perhaps two, or even three languages, and going way past the effort of reaching level-25, this saturation point is just demotivational.
I guess there are a mix of truly talented multi-language Duo players, some with many languages way (way) past level-25, and a few Duo level-25 prize/badge collectors, that get the level-25 and go on to the next language – But as they all show level-25 as a maximum, you can't tell the difference between in-depth devotees and badge collectors. Duo hasn't addressed this as an incentive within the game. In retaining an arbitrary saturation point at level-25, Duo is incentivising badge-collection in its game play, and ignoring in-depth study past level-25 as an equally valued type of play, despite Duo aspiring to CEFR levels, etc. In using an arbitrary saturation point, level-25, Duo fosters multiple top-badge collection game-play above progression of in-depth skills game-play; IMHO both types of game-play should be equally recognised in the publicly used metrics.
With the different options of earning additional XP (including the additional course content and crowns), why not remove the ceiling on levels at level-25, why not levels 26 and on? (perhaps level 25 and higher numbers in black, like belts on a ninja-owl, indicating that a significant threshold has been reached, but still that indicated progression is possible beyond the threshold). Some martial arts use a black belt as such a threshold indicator of recognition, but they still have higher levels in terms of 1st Dan, 2nd Dan, etc., they still show progress above that threshold level. Perhaps levels of above 25 should have XP spans continuing the current sequence, as proposed here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/2261330/XP-needed-per-level, or have some other steeper progression, but progression past level 25 should be made possible, for recognition of in-depth game-play past that level.
The publicly indicated metric with a ceiling, "level 25" is an insensitive instrument as an indicator of game progression, it doesn't reflect real differences in progress within the Duo game beyond level-25; in the context of the Duo game, beyond level-25, it is not a valid instrument, it is a poor indicator of advanced game achievement.
However, without the level-25 cap, I think the metric used by Duo, "level", is a fair reflection of in-game progress. Before the level-25 cap, the metric "level" encourages beginners with small spans of XP between levels, it has progressively larger spans between levels as XP levels increase, to help provide increased challenge as levels progress, and includes XP gained from all game sources, crowns, stories, etc. When course content is added, the metric "level" remains unchanged, whereas something indicating percentage of course completed would be reduced. So, before the level-25 cap, "level" is a robust, graduated, inclusive, metric of in-game progress. In contrast, validated, accredited assessments of real fluency may be poor indicators of in-game progress, and unworkable as day-by-day indicators of in-game effort. For example, my profile shows English (14) - that's as far as I got in the reverse tree from Spanish in the context of the Duo game (I made the old Duo English tree gold, as played from Spanish), and I think level 14 is a fair reflection of my progression in the Duo game, in that context - however, I hope level 14 (English) doesn't reflect my real fluency in English! Ehrm.. ahh.... some of my students may say it does..
However, the continued use of capped level-25 as a public metric, especially in the upskilled crowns system, with its continued and welcome additional game/course content, is becoming increasingly invalid as a metric of in-depth game play, as more and more additional content is provided, providing game-play increasingly past level 25. Removing the level-25 ceiling would not indicate language fluency in the highlighted public metric, that's a different question, but the improved metric "level" would accurately indicate lengthened progress in a language, or languages, in the context of the Duo game; I doubt I’ll ever be fluent, but I want my real level of progress within the game past level-25 to be accurately reflected as my publicly available metric, rather than some view-able, limited, level-25 badge.
Spanish (30), by the uncapped metric "level" tabulated above, with thanks to Yann_Leglise
4000xp doesnt seem like too much. ;) like around 400 lessons or way less for revisoin since the whole tree is pretty much like finished. When did you finish the tree on what level?
It is very much individual. I still have 6 classes to go through and currently am at 10.000xp.
i got a question my friend, i can see u have tons of lvl 25´s, is this app enough to know a lot about a language when u get to lvl 25 or u must use other apps to learn as well?
If your goal is to "know a lot about a language", then yes, getting to level 25 will certainly accomplish that. As for true fluency, you would really have to communicate with other people using that language. Duolingo does not test your speed, which is essential to communication ability with a language that is foreign to you.
If you are on a computer, you should try Duolingo Stories as they communicate with you/each other. I tried one and they’re really helpful.
Looks like level 25 is not good enough to be fluent or sound natural in a language.
Agreed! I believe it's not just how much XP you've collected in a given language, but how smart you work to get it.
True. I hadn't paid much attention to the "lessons" with each group but now I go over it each time. I had used a few other sources to increase my knowledge. But level 25 is like "I know a few words." I think you'd literally need 100 to begin to actually be fluent.
Hey, here's a couple corrections to your comment in case they're helpful to you:
Original with corrected grammar: Duolingo gives you level B2 in English, to get to C1 you must go to other sources of knowledge.
Most natural (in my opinion): Duolingo gets you to level B2 in English, but to get to C1, you have to use other resources.
These apps and cds are nice, but my end goal is to be able to speak with real people in the real world where anything goes. I'm not yet anywhere close to where I want to be but do find that different sources have different things to offer. Some such as comprehension of the radio require enough capability to unlock. I see that you finally reached 25. When did you personally start feeling comfortable with your language?
This will motivate me a lot, thanks! Here's yet another lingot, adding to that solid 383.
I have 1,240 XP and yet I'm in level 13. Is this table now outdated, and if so, where can I find a new version?
Hi kirangarewal, I don't know where you are seeing 1,240XP. Is that your weekly or monthly total on the leaderboard, by chance? Because I am seeing Level 13 · 5420 XP 520/1100 XP · 47% complete · 580 XP to next level I used duome to find that data. If you visit your profile on Duolingo, look to the upper, left-hand side of the page and it will show: Hindi - Level 13 Next level: 580 XPTotal XP: 5420 XP.
Sometimes, there is a sync lag between duome and duolingo so the data might be slightly different for a while, or if Duolingo changes something and the duome creator needs to update how it gathers information. Additionally, the Duolingo course level icons sometimes take a day to update. So, at the moment your Hindi icon above your comment is showing me level 12, even though you've reached level 13. Later today or tomorrow, both will update to match showing level 13.
XP needed to level up is as follows. It requires a lot more practice to level up when you are on higher levels. The real test of your wish to learn a language starts once you have cleared level 10.
1 - 60 → 60
2 - 60 → 120
3 - 80 → 200
4 - 100 → 300
5 - 150 → 450
6 - 300 → 750
7 - 375 → 1,125
8 - 525 → 1,650
9 - 600 → 2,250
10 - 750 → 3,000
11 - 900 → 3,900
12 - 1,000 → 4,900
13 - 1,100 → 6,000
14 - 1,500 → 7,500
15 - 1,500 → 9,000
16 - 1,500 → 10,500
17 - 1,500 → 12,000
18 - 1,500 → 13,500
19 - 1,500 → 15,000
20 - 2,000 → 17,000
21 - 2,000 → 19,000
22 - 3,500 → 22,500
23 - 3,500 → 26,000
24 - 4,000 → 30,000
I am at 25 for the last two months and I keep receiving message fro Duolingo to strive to reach level 26. But I am not informed how far is 26 from 25.
No one in the history of Duolingo, to my knowledge, has ever reached level 26. I'm pretty sure the level is not actually available. Though, I've also seen what you've seen. It could be that after reaching a level, the number is programmed to automatically increase by one.
Why not? I don't see the point of stopping the level. I'm at 25 and I have to say, while I'm a "little" more comfortable I have a WAaaaaaays to go.
I have seen people with 100000 points in Spanish on level 25. I guess it's just motivation for the really hardcore practitioners.
It applies to all courses, not just Spanish. The distance between levels is consistent. :)
With the latest versions of duo on the web, you can not see how many points you have in a tree for a language that you have already completed from a different language. What I mean is, I have long since gotten to level 25 in English from Italian and in Italian from English. Now, as I work through English from Spanish and Italian from Spanish it lumps my points into the total for those languages so I can not see where I stand. I just reached level 22 in Italian from Spanish so, by this chart, I know that I have 19,000 xps in that tree... the next time I get to a new level, I will know that I have 22,500... I wish i could see my progress but this is something I guess.
1094 days :-) So just about three years :-) Oh.. and I found out that on the Android App I can see the progress I am making... Not on the web or on the iOS app... but on android I can check how many points i am at in all of my languages.
If you've done it for 1094 days, how come you've got a 1269 day streak? surely you've been on for at least 1269 days?
poche112 wrote his reply 5 months ago. That's why his streak is longer now.
I’ve completed the French tree, keeping it constantly strengthened, doing all mobile version bots, and done all the French stories in Duolingo labs. Having done/doing this, I have nothing left to do, and I am only level 22, am I missing something? It is the same with Esperanto, and there I’m only level 15.
Levels come from XP, not from where you are at in the tree/course. So, if you review the material, you can keep gaining XP to level up. However, if the course has become too redundant for you, I recommend doing the reverse tree, and then laddering to one of your other courses.
A reverse tree just means it switches the direction of your languages. If you were learning French from English, you would switch over to take the English from French course.
To ladder just means to take another non-native language from French. For example, to do the Spanish from French or German from French etc. It will allow you to keep working on French, while also increasing your skill in yet another target language. Personally, I am still waiting for a Spanish from Japanese or a Japanese from Spanish tree so I can ladder between them. :)
Good luck! :)
Wow, laddering sounds like a great idea. It's a pity the Japanese/Spanish combo isn't offered yet.
Do you use outside sources when studying Spanish? Do you practice speaking Spanish with native speakers?
Also, I've found that auto-laddering is created when you start a course. In my example, I only wanted to learn the English for German course but the French for German course popped up as well. This will be useful if you want to do see all the possible combinations of laddering.
to simplify what Usagiboy7 said, to achieve level 25, you must do a ton of practice on lessons you have already done. you will keep earning XP no matter how many times you do a lesson.
At my current rate of 100 points a day, yup. Though, I used to earn 500 a day. So, I am a little ahead. ^_^
thanks for you question, i can know about it, do you want be friend me Aouke ?
good for you, man! it takes effort to stick with a language for so long.
So if the highest level 25 is 30.000 XP, that means you need to get at least 83 XP a day to finish in a year (or 82 XP in a leap year.)
Right but you can finish the tree in less than 5000 XP for some languages. That's only a sixth of the total to reach lvl 25. So you need far less to complete the tree. After that it's just strengthening what you already learned, so you can take a more relaxed pace if you want.
What is the point of making a "maximum" level? It's just a number, why not 26, 27, 28, on up? These little rewards, ingots, levels, are like the little stars teachers used to put on our papers in school. It's pretty automatic, is done within the program.
For each level achieved you receive lingots, e.g 3 lingots for the 3rd level, 4 for the 5th, 8 lingots for the 8th level etc
I am hoping to reach level 25 in Spanish by the end of 2018, and on French and German by the end of 2019. I'm not sure how far I want to go with the others, except Klingon. I've decided to drop that. Now, thanks to this thread, I know what I need to do to accomplish that. Thanks.
where do we see the number of XP point that we have I am on level 20 Spanish... where would my 15000 to 17000 points be shown... i think it shows about 160 will check
No!!! Who are these people saying yes?! I know from my personal experience that it does not. I tooka bit of Spanish from Russian out of curiosity, after completing Spanish from English tree, and I have two different courses with different xp count and levels for each