XP needed per level
Hey guys, I got a question. I was wondering how many XP-points I need per level to reach the next one. I'm asking this because I want to reach lvl 25 in Spanish and I'm aiming to get 100 XP points a day.
Though I'm adding yet another chart, I put mine in a format that's easiest for me to understand at a glance. Maybe you'll find it to be the same:
- Level 1: 0 → 59 (60 point span)
- Level 2: 60 → 119 (60 point span)
- Level 3: 120 → 199 (80 point span)
- Level 4: 200 → 299 (100 point span)
- Level 5: 300 → 449 (150 point span)
- Level 6: 450 → 749 (300 point span)
- Level 7: 750 → 1,124 (375 point span)
- Level 8: 1,125 → 1,649 (525 point span)
- Level 9: 1,650 → 2,249 (600 point span)
- Level 10: 2,250 → 2,999 (750 point span)
- Level 11: 3,000 → 3,899 (900 point span)
- Level 12: 3,900 → 4,899 (1,000 point span)
- Level 13: 4,900 → 5,999 (1,100 point span)
- Level 14: 6,000 → 7,499 (1,500 point span)
- Level 15: 7,500 → 8,999 (1,500 point span)
- Level 16: 9,000 → 10,499 (1,500 point span)
- Level 17: 10,500 → 11,999 (1,500 point span)
- Level 18: 12,000 → 13,499 (1,500 point span)
- Level 19: 13,500 → 14,999 (1,500 point span)
- Level 20: 15,000 → 16,999 (2,000 point span)
- Level 21: 17,000 → 18,999 (2,000 point span)
- Level 22: 19,000 → 22,499 (3,500 point span)
- Level 23: 22,500 → 25,999 (3,500 point span)
- Level 24: 26,000 → 29,999 (4,000 point span)
- Level 25: 30,000 and up
For those who may be interested, here is what the sequel would be if we would continue the series based on the tendency of the current mapping:
• Level 25: 30,000 → 34,999 (5,000 point span)
• Level 26: 35,000 → 39,999 (5,000 point span)
• Level 27: 40,000 → 45,999 (6,000 point span)
• Level 28: 46,000 → 52,999 (7,000 point span)
• Level 29: 53,000 → 59,999 (7,000 point span)
• Level 30: 60,000 → 67,999 (8,000 point span)
• Level 31: 68,000 → 76,999 (9,000 point span)
• Level 32: 77,000 → 86,999 (10,000 point span)
• Level 33: 87,000 → 96,999 (10,000 point span)
• Level 34: 97,000 → 107,999 (11,000 point span)
• Level 35: 108,000 → 120,999 (13,000 point span)
• Level 36: 121,000 → 133,999 (13,000 point span)
• Level 37: 134,000 → 147,999 (14,000 point span)
• Level 38: 148,000 → 163,999 (16,000 point span)
• Level 39: 164,000 → 179,999 (16,000 point span)
• Level 40: 180,000 → 196,999 (17,000 point span)
• Level 41: 197,000 → 215,999 (19,000 point span)
• Level 42: 216,000 → 235,999 (20,000 point span)
• Level 43: 236,000 → 256,999 (21,000 point span)
• Level 44: 257,000 → 278,999 (22,000 point span)
• Level 45: 279,000 → 301,999 (23,000 point span)
• Level 46: 302,000 → 326,999 (25,000 point span)
• Level 47: 327,000 → 352,999 (26,000 point span)
• Level 48: 353,000 → 380,999 (28,000 point span)
• Level 49: 381,000 → 409,999 (29,000 point span)
• Level 50: 410,000 and up
(I didn't go further as I don't think anyone have that much XP)
When I first saw this post a few weeks ago, I thought it was merely interesting. However, on further reflection, I think there’s some merit in extending the XP levels beyond 25. In the pre-crown era, if you achieved level 25 in a language, then it almost certainly guaranteed that you had completed the tree and done considerable practice. But with the advent of crowns, that’s no longer the case. As an example, to complete all the lessons in the French tree (Tree 8) to crown level 5 will require almost 72,000 XP. Extending the XP levels above 25 would provide a more appropriate measure of achievement in the crown world.
I agree. Some days I don't have the motivation to challenge myself because the digital reward is the same no matter what I do, so I just do a simple practice to maintain a streak. I feel more people would continue to challenge themselves if they were actually able to see a bigger payout.
Zibran, it's interesting that you mention the motivation because I'm at the point where I need to go to youtube videos, books and the real world to continue my Spanish and other languages for the experience points. Duolingo has prepared me well for this next step, but I've been hesitant to spend my time on the Spanish because I don't want to drop to a lower league. I see that you are further into Duolingo than me so I am curious what perspectives you have on the learning process.
Hi Steve, The leagues can be over-motivating, can't they! A few months ago I had to deliberately stop myself spending so much time on Duolingo. If you're going to be demotivated by seeing yourself drop down, make them invisible by going into Settings, Privacy, then untick 'Make my Profile Public'.
Other resources I find excellent for Spanish:- As you say, YouTube, especially topics like DIY where they lay the tools out while they name them! Preply.com for one-on-one videocall tutoring. Lingoda.com for small, structured group videocall classes. Audible.com for audio books in Spanish.
The human interaction of Preply and Lingoda is of course very motivating, and it's your reward for the dry study.
... And no sooner posted this than realised I misunderstood your post. Never mind, I'll leave my reply here with the useful websites.
I find the leagues to be a strange sort of competition with complete strangers. It tends to make me focus on languages where I can get relatively easy points, rather than really trying to take other languages to a higher level of usefulness, with a little review here, then time on other courses, literature, television, movies, etc. I do those things anyway, but the leagues still annoy me a bit. I am much more interested in levels, and I wish they had higher than level 25. For example, I am well over 94,000 XP in Dutch.
Hi Gwaugle. You're welcome. In the link you shared, this is the cumulated amount of XP over all the languages one may learn on DL. When I meant I didn't think anyone would have more than level 50, it was relative to one specific language. But still, maybe if someone trains for decades on the same language, it might happen XD.
Long way to go... I did bit of French outside of Duolingo, but recently I am getting only 20 xp per crown level (as I would die of boredom if I had to do the exact same exercises 15 times for crown for 150 xp), so not much xp, are the levels still based on xp or is it based on crowns now?
For Duo, having a single "level 25" ceiling common to all languages, irrespective of particular language content, provides a lowest common denominator language "badge" in the Duo game that some attain in any given language, then once they collect it, I guess some forget that tree and move to another language - why not be a multi-badge apparent polyglot, and skip to another language if that is your Duo game? - I'm not knocking it, it looks like it's a game that some players really get into. Just search “level 25” in this forum, lots of congratulations, now I can move on… etc. Your public profile never goes beyond level 25, so why stick to progressing in a language past that? So you can perhaps get A1 CEFR in multiple languages and I completely see how that works for some Duo gamers. But for other Duo gamers intent on getting good in one, or perhaps two, or even three languages, and going way past the effort of reaching level-25, this saturation point is just demotivational.
I guess there are a mix of truly talented multi-language Duo players, some with many languages way (way) past level-25, and a few Duo level-25 prize/badge collectors, that get the level-25 and go on to the next language – But as they all show level-25 as a maximum, you can't tell the difference between in-depth devotees and badge collectors. Duo hasn't addressed this as an incentive within the game. In retaining an arbitrary saturation point at level-25, Duo is incentivising badge-collection in its game play, and ignoring in-depth study past level-25 as an equally valued type of play, despite Duo aspiring to CEFR levels, etc. In using an arbitrary saturation point, level-25, Duo fosters multiple top-badge collection game-play above progression of in-depth skills game-play; IMHO both types of game-play should be equally recognised in the publicly used metrics.
With the different options of earning additional XP (including the additional course content and crowns), why not remove the ceiling on levels at level-25, why not levels 26 and on? (perhaps level 25 and higher numbers in black, like belts on a ninja-owl, indicating that a significant threshold has been reached, but still that indicated progression is possible beyond the threshold). Some martial arts use a black belt as such a threshold indicator of recognition, but they still have higher levels in terms of 1st Dan, 2nd Dan, etc., they still show progress above that threshold level. Perhaps levels of above 25 should have XP spans continuing the current sequence, as proposed here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/2261330/XP-needed-per-level, or have some other steeper progression, but progression past level 25 should be made possible, for recognition of in-depth game-play past that level.
The publicly indicated metric with a ceiling, "level 25" is an insensitive instrument as an indicator of game progression, it doesn't reflect real differences in progress within the Duo game beyond level-25; in the context of the Duo game, beyond level-25, it is not a valid instrument, it is a poor indicator of advanced game achievement.
However, without the level-25 cap, I think the metric used by Duo, "level", is a fair reflection of in-game progress. Before the level-25 cap, the metric "level" encourages beginners with small spans of XP between levels, it has progressively larger spans between levels as XP levels increase, to help provide increased challenge as levels progress, and includes XP gained from all game sources, crowns, stories, etc. When course content is added, the metric "level" remains unchanged, whereas something indicating percentage of course completed would be reduced. So, before the level-25 cap, "level" is a robust, graduated, inclusive, metric of in-game progress. In contrast, validated, accredited assessments of real fluency may be poor indicators of in-game progress, and unworkable as day-by-day indicators of in-game effort. For example, my profile shows English (14) - that's as far as I got in the reverse tree from Spanish in the context of the Duo game (I made the old Duo English tree gold, as played from Spanish), and I think level 14 is a fair reflection of my progression in the Duo game, in that context - however, I hope level 14 (English) doesn't reflect my real fluency in English! Ehrm.. ahh.... some of my students may say it does..
However, the continued use of capped level-25 as a public metric, especially in the upskilled crowns system, with its continued and welcome additional game/course content, is becoming increasingly invalid as a metric of in-depth game play, as more and more additional content is provided, providing game-play increasingly past level 25. Removing the level-25 ceiling would not indicate language fluency in the highlighted public metric, that's a different question, but the improved metric "level" would accurately indicate lengthened progress in a language, or languages, in the context of the Duo game; I doubt I’ll ever be fluent, but I want my real level of progress within the game past level-25 to be accurately reflected as my publicly available metric, rather than some view-able, limited, level-25 badge.
Spanish (30), by the uncapped metric "level" tabulated above, with thanks to Yann_Leglise
Levels are actually meaningless, I can get bunch of xp by going over reviews of the first exercise, crowns seem to be much better metric. I can be master of 10 Japanese characters with level 25 if I was really after the levels. And people who learn languages outside of DuoLingo can be level 10 here and be perfectly fluent. It does not tell you much other than time estimate of playing DuoLingo.
If you go to your profile in duome (yours would be at https://duome.eu/yession/), scroll down below the daily progress box and it will show your level, experience, and vocabulary for each language you're learning, plus the amount of experience required for the next level in each language.
Apparently because in this day and age, asking someone to be your friend publicly or even privately is considered cringe worthy. It is on par with saying "do you like me?" coming from men, women are okay though. But you know what! I will up vote this guy even though he mistyped the name of the guy he wants to befriend!
If your goal is to "know a lot about a language", then yes, getting to level 25 will certainly accomplish that. As for true fluency, you would really have to communicate with other people using that language. Duolingo does not test your speed, which is essential to communication ability with a language that is foreign to you.
Hey, here's a couple corrections to your comment in case they're helpful to you:
Original with corrected grammar: Duolingo gives you level B2 in English, to get to C1 you must go to other sources of knowledge.
Most natural (in my opinion): Duolingo gets you to level B2 in English, but to get to C1, you have to use other resources.
Agreed! I believe it's not just how much XP you've collected in a given language, but how smart you work to get it.
It depends on the language you're learning and how much the vocab and grammar system differs from your native language. For example, English is considered one of the most difficult languages to learn, but a native Chinese speaker and a native French speaker are going to have very different experiences trying to learn it. It also depends on what other resources you have access to. Some people may only need a level 15 in a language to be fluent if they also take actual classes for it, but someone who only uses Duolingo will need to use it a lot more to achieve fluency
These apps and cds are nice, but my end goal is to be able to speak with real people in the real world where anything goes. I'm not yet anywhere close to where I want to be but do find that different sources have different things to offer. Some such as comprehension of the radio require enough capability to unlock. I see that you finally reached 25. When did you personally start feeling comfortable with your language?
Aside from communicating with fluent speakers, I would recommend watching tv shows/movies or listening to music in the languages you study. Benefits of that can include: -Learning more idioms/expressions in that language -Increasing your ability to interpret things quickly in that language -Learning more about the cultures of people who speak that language -Possibly learning a new dialect of that language than what Duolingo offers
Hi kirangarewal, I don't know where you are seeing 1,240XP. Is that your weekly or monthly total on the leaderboard, by chance? Because I am seeing Level 13 · 5420 XP 520/1100 XP · 47% complete · 580 XP to next level I used duome to find that data. If you visit your profile on Duolingo, look to the upper, left-hand side of the page and it will show: Hindi - Level 13 Next level: 580 XPTotal XP: 5420 XP.
Sometimes, there is a sync lag between duome and duolingo so the data might be slightly different for a while, or if Duolingo changes something and the duome creator needs to update how it gathers information. Additionally, the Duolingo course level icons sometimes take a day to update. So, at the moment your Hindi icon above your comment is showing me level 12, even though you've reached level 13. Later today or tomorrow, both will update to match showing level 13.
Makes sense. Interestingly enough, I used to get a memo right after reaching the threshold. I wonder if they're looking forward to removing this altogether now that we have crowns?
XP needed to level up is as follows. It requires a lot more practice to level up when you are on higher levels. The real test of your wish to learn a language starts once you have cleared level 10.
1 - 60 → 60
2 - 60 → 120
3 - 80 → 200
4 - 100 → 300
5 - 150 → 450
6 - 300 → 750
7 - 375 → 1,125
8 - 525 → 1,650
9 - 600 → 2,250
10 - 750 → 3,000
11 - 900 → 3,900
12 - 1,000 → 4,900
13 - 1,100 → 6,000
14 - 1,500 → 7,500
15 - 1,500 → 9,000
16 - 1,500 → 10,500
17 - 1,500 → 12,000
18 - 1,500 → 13,500
19 - 1,500 → 15,000
20 - 2,000 → 17,000
21 - 2,000 → 19,000
22 - 3,500 → 22,500
23 - 3,500 → 26,000
24 - 4,000 → 30,000
No one in the history of Duolingo, to my knowledge, has ever reached level 26. I'm pretty sure the level is not actually available. Though, I've also seen what you've seen. It could be that after reaching a level, the number is programmed to automatically increase by one.
With the latest versions of duo on the web, you can not see how many points you have in a tree for a language that you have already completed from a different language. What I mean is, I have long since gotten to level 25 in English from Italian and in Italian from English. Now, as I work through English from Spanish and Italian from Spanish it lumps my points into the total for those languages so I can not see where I stand. I just reached level 22 in Italian from Spanish so, by this chart, I know that I have 19,000 xps in that tree... the next time I get to a new level, I will know that I have 22,500... I wish i could see my progress but this is something I guess.
I’ve completed the French tree, keeping it constantly strengthened, doing all mobile version bots, and done all the French stories in Duolingo labs. Having done/doing this, I have nothing left to do, and I am only level 22, am I missing something? It is the same with Esperanto, and there I’m only level 15.
Levels come from XP, not from where you are at in the tree/course. So, if you review the material, you can keep gaining XP to level up. However, if the course has become too redundant for you, I recommend doing the reverse tree, and then laddering to one of your other courses.
A reverse tree just means it switches the direction of your languages. If you were learning French from English, you would switch over to take the English from French course.
To ladder just means to take another non-native language from French. For example, to do the Spanish from French or German from French etc. It will allow you to keep working on French, while also increasing your skill in yet another target language. Personally, I am still waiting for a Spanish from Japanese or a Japanese from Spanish tree so I can ladder between them. :)
Good luck! :)
Also, I've found that auto-laddering is created when you start a course. In my example, I only wanted to learn the English for German course but the French for German course popped up as well. This will be useful if you want to do see all the possible combinations of laddering.
Right but you can finish the tree in less than 5000 XP for some languages. That's only a sixth of the total to reach lvl 25. So you need far less to complete the tree. After that it's just strengthening what you already learned, so you can take a more relaxed pace if you want.
I am hoping to reach level 25 in Spanish by the end of 2018, and on French and German by the end of 2019. I'm not sure how far I want to go with the others, except Klingon. I've decided to drop that. Now, thanks to this thread, I know what I need to do to accomplish that. Thanks.
As mentioned somewhere above by Aki-Mugetsu, you can see your detailed level information by typing: duome.eu/your_username
In your case, type: duome.eu/AageNielsen
If you scroll down, you will see for each language: the level that you reached, the number of crowns, XP, as well as the XP to reach the next level.
Please also note that the language detailed right to your profile data will always be the one which is currently 'active' (i.e. the one you are working on) in Duolingo when you type this command.