https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.

The perfect language learner?

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https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Trang, can you include a link to bigger copy of the picture?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Thank you Trang and ms.mm!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Boarderminded

wow! that really is much bigger!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.
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Thanks

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https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

Looks like I need to start physically recording new vocabulary I come across. I thought it'd just be a waste of paper but.. o_o

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mazzorano
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I have nothing but one word for you - Anki.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

I paid for the actual app ages ago. I dunno why I don't utilize it more.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Mazzorano
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You paid? Anki is free! Besides, I find it much more useful to upload vocab on the desktop version and by sharing it on dropbox, use it on my mobile (which I do rarely).

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https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

The iPhone app at least used to cost twenty dollars. I figured it was worth having on my phone and it'd be nice to pay something back to the creator. I think that was like two years ago.

...And I never use it.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Mazzorano
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I apologize, I found out just now that the iPhone app costs 25$ (the Android is still free). That's disgusting. Nevertheless, install it on your computer, it makes all the difference.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fbianh
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You could use memrise instead - it is free and way more fun than anki (also, it's more effective). Why waste paper if you can record the vocabulary in your mind instead (and a little backup at a learning site/app)? Memrise teaches you only vocabulary but in my opinion way better than duolingo (which is great for grammar.) I love both of them because they are a perfect match!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

That's what I was thinking, but I was wondering if the physical act of writing out the word is what does it for people?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idshanks
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I have to say, that's what does it for me. I go through Duolingo writing every new sentence down, and then writing my own sentences with the newly learned words before submitting them to lang-8.com, then writing down any corrected versions of my own sentences. I try to make simple stories out of the new words that I've learned. I do it all pen-on-paper, because before I started doing that I was having a little trouble remembering some of the vocabulary and for some reason one day I just decided to try it (I think it's the fact I learnt the Cyrillic alphabet easily from writing out the letters, so I thought I should try it with words). I find that I struggle to learn with resources like Memrise Anki personally; I learn much better if I can apply new words in context.

I absolutely eat up paper with this method, but it certainly doesn't constitute a waste, as my learning of vocabulary has shot up since starting with this method. It also helps to embed spelling more-so than typing ever has done for me, and if you do work on applying your words rather than writing them in pure isolation, it also helps to reinforce the context in which a word is appropriate (useful for two words with similar but nuanced meanings), as well as improving your grammar in general (certainly if you submit to lang-8.com for critique).

A mistake that many of the 'language gurus' out there seem to make is to neglect to consider that different people do learn differently, to varying degrees. It's important to try different methods personally and see what works for you. For example, I need grammar right away - I really enjoy grammar and phonetics, I love being analytical, and I hate not understanding. Many big online language bloggers say you should avoid grammar for the first couple of months, in many cases very matter-of-factly, and without consideration for the various learning styles - it is something that I went along with, and now know is a mistake for me personally.

Anyway, I'm going on a bit of a tangent! :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fbianh
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I think it depends on what kind of learner you are. If you have to use your hands to remember something you should definitely use them, but if you're more visual or more into speaking and listening, prefer these kind of tools. I think they didn't use a controlled experiment to test the success of vocabulary learning, so the results may be biased as a vocabulary book could be heavily correlated for example with taking other notes or higher motivation or a more organized style of work. I would always focus on a system that's most effective for me and not other learners :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.
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For me it depends on the language. I never learn English by writing down the words, but it is necessary for Chinese

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JaneEmily

I actually have a notebook dedicated to vocabulary, it helps me memorise the words a lot easier if I write down the letters and how it's written. It feels engraved into my brain then. So far I have 17 pages in my notebook just full of words I've learnt in Dutch :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.
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Haha, I only write new words down when I learn chinese, but I do not mind wasting paper because after I write each character on a paper, and look back, it's kind of an awesome feeling :3

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/le-lapin-noir
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I used to practice Chinese with a whiteboard. Very convenient method. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.
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Cool, how do you remember the characters, do your teacher explains to you how they were created

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https://www.duolingo.com/le-lapin-noir
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We learned the radicals (components) and initially had writing tests where we had to label stroke order. After not too long new characters become pretty easy to learn, you just have to practice until it clicks. So keep on writing, it's the best way to learn! :D

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https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.
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True that, so happy this is the first language ever that I do not seem to have problems with listening skills (or maybe it seems so at first)

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https://www.duolingo.com/le-lapin-noir
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Haha, already knowing Chinese saved me when I tried to learn Vietnamese. Although in many cases it seems that Chinese loan words in Japanese or Korean sound even more like Vietnamese (minus tones) than modern Mandarin. Probably has to do with when they were borrowed. Edit: 60% is probably about right. And I would agree with your teacher in regards to the spoken language, although the Japanese have a huge advantage when learning written Chinese.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Trang.
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Yeah I know, I have watched so many Chinese movies and even when at that time I did not know Chinese, I could understand it well without looking at the subtitles. I read somewhere that Vietnamese loans about 60% (??) Chinese words. Not sure if that is true, but my teacher said that Vietnamse are in greater advantage than any people elsewhere to learn Chinese

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https://www.duolingo.com/SD-77
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You can do it on your phone ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenonile

I don't know if it is.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sadika.koo

Awesome ideas. Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quinnmarie1234

Thanks, this is helpful! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AyeletW15

Quizlet for vocabulary

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Boarderminded

I better start trying this.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchAddict7

Merci pour cette information!

4 years ago
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