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Quick question(s) about に and へ

Hi, since there doesn't yet seem to be a Japanese discussion board (as the course isn't out on browsers, I guess) and you can't discuss sentences on mobile, I'll ask about this here, if that's okay.

In the Time skills, I saw a few sentences like this:

1. 六時学校行きます。

2.学校行きます。 学校行きます。

In 1., に is used for the time and へ is used for "to/towards". In 2., に and へ seem to be used interchangeably for "to/towards". (I didn't see any sentences like 六時に学校行きます。)

When meaning "to/towards", are に and へ interchangeable? I only know a tiny bit of Japanese grammar, and I always thought に was essentially a locative case/particle, so that caught me off guard a little. Is there any difference in meaning between the sentences in 2.? Would it also be possible to say 六時に学校に行きます ?

ありがとうございます。

(Unrelated bonus question: in the Hiragana skills, "seven" was taught as なな, but in the Time skills, "seven" was taught as しち. I know that Japanese characters can have different readings, so are なな and しち both written as 七, and are they used in different contexts or are the pronunciations interchangeable?)

May 19, 2017

17 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ken335502

へ highlights the fact that you are going towards somewhere, but you can usually also use に. Not the other way around though.

なな and しち are pretty much interchangeable, but なな is used in compound numbers. If you haven't come across is yet, 四(four) can be よん or し, with よん being used in compounds.

EDIT: へ can also be used for something that's directed at somewhere, and not necessarily going there at the moment.

EX: 'あなたへの手紙。' means 'letters for/to you'.


[deactivated user]

    I don't want to sound rude or arrogant but i knew that if you want to give something to someone you have to use に and not の. の is used for possesive like your example, it would be translated as 貴方の手紙 "your letter". Like is it for me? 私に?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kirezatav

    どうも!Very helpful answer :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HatchedSylveon

    に marks a specific destination (I'm going to the school, that is my exact destination), and へ marks a more vague direction of motion (I'm going towards the school, that is the direction I'm going in, I'm not necessarily going to the school)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Michael.Lubetsky

    There are two different sets of numbers in Japanese: one comes from Old Japanese and the other from Chinese. The sequence you typically hear in martial arts classes ("Ichi!", "Ni!", "San!", "Shi!", etc) is the Chinese-borrowed sequence and is the one most commonly used in generic counting situations. However, "Yon" and "Nana" are the versions of "four" and "seven" in the Old Japanese set of numbers and they often substitute for their Chinese-derived counterparts ("Shi" and "Shichi", since "Shi" is synonymous with "death" and is thus inauspicious).

    As in other East Asian languages, numbers are typically used with different "counters" when specifying the quantity of a certain object. For example, large animals are counted with the counter "Tou"; so we don't say "one cow", but rather "one-Tou of cow". Some counters use the Chinese-derived numbers and others the Old Japanese numbers (and just to make matters more fun, some counters use the Old Japanese numbers for some quantities and the Chinese-derived numbers for others).

    The Old Japanese-derived numbers come up most often when using the counter "tsu" ,which is a generic counter used with unspecified objects. You count such objects as "hitotsu", "futatsu", "mittsu", "yottsu", etc). Something I learnt the hard way is that "hitotsu" and "futatsu" are very easy for English native speakers to mix up; if you pronounce the "o" in "hitotsu" like first "o" in "October" -- it will be heard by a Japanese person like an "a". You need to pronounce it like the second "o". Numerous times in Japan I thought I was ordering one thing off of a menu and ended up getting two. :-)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kirezatav

    ありがとう, such an in-depth answer!

    So whenever you learn a new counter - like a classifier in Vietnamese? - you have to learn the appropriate number system that goes with it, right? And are numbers like 一つ etc. used for saying things like "One (of them)", or "I'd like one", is that what you mean by "unspecified"?

    The number system certainly seems difficult, I guess it's going to take a lot of practice to get used to!


    [deactivated user]

      For what i know (i did an audio course time ago where they say that you can use both) but it is most common to use/hear に instead of へ.

      東京へ行きます

      東京に行きます...it's the same thing.

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