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Fantasy languages
As someone who loves to cosplay and geeks out whenever D or other rpg fantasy worlds are mentioned my favorite thing about immersing myself in these worlds is learning the language even if it's only enough to promise the irritating halfling that I will kill him in Drow.
Do you enjoy fantasy languages and if so which ones would you like to see Duolingo offer?
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I agree. I'm not against fictional languages but if I had to ever design a language for a fictional work, I'd probably build it on the whole set of all available data of any of the saddly MANY recently extinct languages, such as for example, Klallam ( http://cas.unt.edu/~montler/Klallam/WordList/index.htm -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klallam_language ) . Surely the result would be sort of what in Spanish is called a "conseja" (a mix of real facts and fiction) but, at least klallam would still be actively and dynamically used. For some it would be a linguistic equivalent to a cyborg, a golem or a zombie... or just an art project... but, nonetheless a sort of down-to-earth fictional artifact.
The same could be done with any critically endangered language such as, for example, Saanich ( http://www.omniglot.com/writing/saanich.htm ). Imagine being one of the last alive speakers of your language, being very worried about it and then finding overnight that a huge bunch of people start to use it and manage to create an actual revival of it, even though it is fantasy-driven, before you and the other few natural speakers would be gone forever... You would even become a celebrity as a consultant... And the language wouldn't be gone along with you.
High Valyrian is also in the works. Two constructed languages from fandoms in the incubator is enough I think, when they are done and really attract learners I have nothing against adding another one like Elvish or Trigedaslang, but since there are only limited spots in the incubator they should be finished before another one gets added.
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Both. Naturally of course, but Esperanto is an exception. I hear people want "Dwarvish". From which book? Plenty of books have that, but which one? How would they have an entire language to be built from that? I just think we should only have real languages.
Why is Esperanto an exception? It's a constructed language which didn't develop naturally. Seems a little arbitrary to give it a free pass.
It's curious that you don't include any sign languages or modern Hebrew in your exceptions, as those also have artificial roots
"I just think we should only have real languages."
If something exists, it's real. Klingon is as 'real' as German.
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Because it's become very popular. Modern Hebrew and sign language are actually useful and have an amount of speakers. Elvish isn't an actual language. You can't really make a language out of the language section in the back of the book that translates for you.....
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But what about Christopher Paolini's elvish? Would they not use that, just use Tolkien's?
'Useful' is a matter of personal relevance and certainly isn't qualified by total number of speakers. If a learner is going to use a language, even if they only use it to speak to one person, read literature or write a secret diary then it's useful to them. By your absolute criterion Mandarin is more useful than Icelandic by a factor of more than one thousand, but that's not much help if I'm wandering around Reykjavik trying to speak Mandarin.
Seeing as you're equating usefulness with number of speakers, then that makes Sindarin and Klingon more useful than Hittite, Akkadian or Gothic. 'Useful' is clearly not an A/B proposition.
"Elvish isn't an actual language. You can't really make a language out of the language section in the back of the book that translates for you....."
Again with the 'actual' language. It certainly is one. Elvish has a much larger corpus than the appendix at the back of the Lord of the Rings. Tolkien constructed a full grammar with thousands of vocabulary items. It's pretty pointless to learn it unless you want to interact with other learners (of which there are few), but that applies to any language.
Duolingo wants publicity and traffic. They are only going to add fictional conlangs if they generate a lot of publicity and draw a lot of traffic. For fictional conlangs, this means being associated with a large ongoing franchise. Klingon has an ongoing movie franchise and new TV series later this year. High Valyrian has a few spin-off shows coming. Something like them would be possible. Na'vi from Avatar is one obvious example (four movies currently in pre-production).
If you are interested in more obscure conlangs, then you would be better off searching Memrise.
Well, I meant a meme in the sense of a joke. Shouldve used joke instead, my bad. Dont wanna insult the fantasy languages creators, but then again, adding any conlang over a bunch of natural languages that have yet (if ever sadly) to be added, is an insult to myself, and anyone else who considers themselves a serious (as in person) language learner.
Just my point of view. Feel free to disagree.
Personally I would like to see so many more real (non fictional) languages on here first. I think dueling should add some languages such as Hawaiian, Estonian, and Chinese before starting to work on things like Elvish, Klingon, and so on. Just my opinion though, don't get offended, I just think that such languages would get more traction..