This upvote/downvote limit thing is ridiculous.
If you haven't heard, a post made by HelpfulDuo states that Duolingo is currently experimenting with anti-spam tools. One of these "tests" has caused a lot of users to lose the ability to downvote (or upvote).
Honestly, that's ridiculous. Why does everyone have to lose privileges just because of a few users? And it doesn't even fix the whole "downvote spam" thing they're claiming it fixes, as people can still make alternate accounts.
Even the moderators are being affected with this downvote test. Seriously, I wish they'd stop this. It's only going to make it worse. It's more difficult to hide spam because of this, so I ask: please give us back our voting rights.
(5/25/2017) EDIT: Looks like the limits were fixed! Also, I'm sorry for starting a giant argument on here.
They don't want to remove the forum, there is literally no reason or purpose to do that. They didn't intend to cause havoc when removing activity, it was physically bringing the site down so they had to end streams. I don't mean to sound rude, but you are being slightly melodramatic.
Duolingo does all kinds of things for which there is no purpose from the user standpoint. Why eliminate the question review panel at the end of lessons on the new website? Why make it even harder to switch base languages on the new website? Yet they did. I agree, however, that the forums are on the agenda for improvement — and at long last sentence discussion access for iOS users — not abandonment.
This also keeps spammers from voting down multiple good legit posts in a short amount of time, I personally haven't seen much of an effect on my voting abilities but then I don't generally do that much up or down voting anyway. But I don't think there has been quite as bad of a down voting problem lately so something must be working.
People downvoting multiple legit posts in a short amount of time is annoying but not the problem. As long as everyone has one vote, the reasonable people will overpower the annoying ones and keep the posts afloat. The problem is people downvoting one legit post multiple times with different accounts. Apparently the staff has completely missed that distinction. Aria for example has suggested that people would need to spend 10 minutes on the site before they can vote.
I agree so much! Even just adding e-mail verfication to get to the discussions, so families could still be using Duo from the same IP, but it would slow down spam accounts. (if they wanted they could still allow studying without verification and just make it mandatory to use the discussion boards).
What is not to understand?? They are experimenting with methods for reducing spam while at the same time trying to reduce the down voting problem. Plain and simple. And you guys aren't helping at all. If you think there is a problem you can report it directly to Duolingo support, you don't have to make a post about it. Which btw the staff probably won't see anyway.
I've already made this situation pretty bad, so I'm just going to say this before I end up making it worse:
I respect the staff's decisions, even if I don't agree with them. I don't know how to run a server or a business. The staff know better than I do.
Again, I don't want to make this worse than I've already made it.
The lunatics took over the asylum a long time ago. Honestly, I think the best way to protest against this sort of nonsense is to refuse point blank to vote down the ordure. Let it stand. Let them see what they're left with when they treat users with the odd brain cell like idiots and give them the site they deserve.
Personal remark: it would have been better to keep discussing it in the staff's post
- to not create several discussions about the same topic
- because (constructive) remarks made here will very likely never be read by staff (so are very likely useless to have things changed) while a comment there does have a chance to be read by staff (hence a chance to maybe (with luck) make them reverse it).
Of course, on the change itself, I agree it's a bad one (cf. my comments there).
I must not downvote enough to be affected. Upvoting/downvoting without some kind of reasonable limits and/or filtering mechanism is simply a form of web tyranny by those with sufficient skills and resources to exploit the mechanism. Glad to see Duo is doing SOMETHING about it, it may take several iterations to find the right balance.
Sorry, replying here, not on the same thread.
You are very optimistic.
An overhaul? What does this mean? Which kind of changes?
I don't trust Duolingo team (I mean the devs), as they announced several time things that weren't true. For instance, they wanted to remove immersion for a long time, several months or years, but instead of warning the users, they let it rot, they didn't add other languages to the immersion (knowing they will delete it), and taking as excuse bugs the first time it was removed. Do you remember? The communication is very poor and Luis has a plan, but don't warn anybody. You and me, and the other users, will be the last people to know what the plan is, when they'll remove other things.
Removing immersion, messaging and voting features are part of the plan, and the plan is bigger than this. The plan is killing the old site, to have a brand new site, with other features.
So, I think they will remove forums, and it's the reason why they let them rot in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.
We are also investing in rewriting the Duolingo Forum. This will not only make it faster, but also enable features that surface higher quality content and discourage pesky spam. In addition, we plan to incorporate better tools to communicate with other learners. We understand that social connections are essential, and we plan to expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible.
It means the death of the old Duolingo, and a new Duolingo that is coming. I don't like it.
The old Duolingo was perfect, the new one will remove everything that I was using here. It's better to find another site. But you shouldn't trust them when they talk about "rapidity" or whatever, the boss of a firm is like a politician, he needs to put some honey with unpopular decisions.
Removing immersion was a terrible decision, everyone told the devs that replacing immersion with groups will bring more troll kids and make the advanced users quit the site. Everyone told Duolingo removing the messaging feature will bring more spam, because people would use posts to chat. Rewriting forums like they are is another (politician) way to say they will be removed, or changed to a minimal state. Without grammar forum Duolingo is 100% useless.
Don't you see that all the late decisions were not what they told us? Where are the features they promised to put to replace them? Everything is towards a light site (so yes, very fast, because very light !!) and a kid site.
As I understand it as great as immersion was, it was also a liabilty for them because of the copyrights of the texts used. So after the deals translating news fell through they stopped working on it.
But I really think they will work on the forums and it might be better. The search function desperately needs an overhaul, no matter how awesome Duo used to be. There's absolutely no reason to think they'd take the sentence discussions away, not when they just included them in the apps. I really don't think everything new will be like the disappearance of immersion.
The one thing I am scared about is that they'll concentrate more and more on the apps and leave the website be. It's been that way with tinycards, the bots and now even with the Japanese course.
After a while Immerson was not profitable anymore, because the deals went flat and Europe does have stricter copyright laws. That is a fact and not an excuse. If people can just upload their own texts then that's a liability, that they did not need. I wish it was still there, same as you. But I really think that reason is true. (More so than the "only .5% used it".)
I hate the loss of downvote and yep, it won't make it better and just make more work for the moderators, but some people can still do it and after a while it comes back even if it's for a short time (at least for me^^). They didn't think it through and it's stupid. But I don't think it's part of a conspiracy!
And Luis has always been open about the monetarisation even before it happened. And adds are ok for me. Health would suck, but that's an A/B test on 50% of iOS and won't be on web anytime soon as per Luis reddit AMA. So yeah, while the developement is not all perfect it's not evil.
No, no, no. All of this it's excuse. (It's Duolingo's habit to bring excuse, be aware of it) The immersion went on several years, with no problem. It was not profitable enough, it was the real problem I think! (but I understand one needs money to run a website, that's obvious)
The thing I don't like are fake excuse, they don't tell use the truth, that's really obvious. Open your eyes.
They can't make the forums better by removing the ability to downvote. It's killing them. As anyone will give bad grammar advices with no downvotes.
I disagree, there are a lot of clues showing they will problably remove it or make it minimal. And yes, the app seems a priority for them I think, it's because the app can bring money,and the website now can't.
Duolingo will become premium/freemium. Old Duolingo with its philosophy is dead now, and it's completely a new site, with the old name. It's like giving the Duolingo name to babbel or whatever. Every functions will be rewritten, and it's clear to see the functions they want to remove, because they start by making them unusable.
Thanks for answering.
Have you considered requiring email verification for forum posting? (Not for using the lessons, though.)
To minimise disruption, you could leave a long gap between enabling the email verification mechanism and starting the disallowing of posting for unverified users.