https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

This upvote/downvote limit thing is ridiculous.

If you haven't heard, a post made by HelpfulDuo states that Duolingo is currently experimenting with anti-spam tools. One of these "tests" has caused a lot of users to lose the ability to downvote (or upvote).

Honestly, that's ridiculous. Why does everyone have to lose privileges just because of a few users? And it doesn't even fix the whole "downvote spam" thing they're claiming it fixes, as people can still make alternate accounts.

Even the moderators are being affected with this downvote test. Seriously, I wish they'd stop this. It's only going to make it worse. It's more difficult to hide spam because of this, so I ask: please give us back our voting rights.

(5/25/2017) EDIT: Looks like the limits were fixed! Also, I'm sorry for starting a giant argument on here.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/tiramisues
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I agree! I thought I was helping Duolingo getting rid of the spam posts by downvoting. Instead they think I am the spammer and I am not allowed to downvote spammers who are talking about hacking duolingo. And taking it away from mods is just ridiculous!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

Definitely. This A/B test has made it harder to keep the forums as spam-free as possible.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tiramisues
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It didn't read like an A/B test to me, just a general limit on how many times one can downvote.

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Yes, it doesn't look like a test, it's effective.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

Well, my alternate account, QuadraticL1, can downvote posts just fine.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tiramisues
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Because it probably didn't reach the limit yet. It's not a limit per IP (which would've been the logical thing to do, with spamaccounts and lack of email verification) but per account.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/68dustin

Well that's dumb. Maybe they were thinking of all the kids who use school computers? Although most of those kids are just spammers anyway TBH.

1 year ago

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I think they want to remove the forum, so killing it first.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

What's next, they're going to remove the tree?

1 year ago

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Maybe. They want a new Duolingo. I understood this the day they removed immersion, and created clubs instead. I really think forums will be removed, and they prepare us.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/68dustin

Nope. That's for sure not happening. Luis has said himself at least 4 times that they're working on an overhaul for the forums, not a removal.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

To be honest, an overhaul sounds cool, but at least leave the old stuff alone! (Unless you absolutely have to do something with the old stuff)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kilire

They don't want to remove the forum, there is literally no reason or purpose to do that. They didn't intend to cause havoc when removing activity, it was physically bringing the site down so they had to end streams. I don't mean to sound rude, but you are being slightly melodramatic.

1 year ago

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Duolingo does all kinds of things for which there is no purpose from the user standpoint. Why eliminate the question review panel at the end of lessons on the new website? Why make it even harder to switch base languages on the new website? Yet they did. I agree, however, that the forums are on the agenda for improvement — and at long last sentence discussion access for iOS users — not abandonment.

1 year ago

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Si, i have the same problem all the time. I was helping now i can't down vote/up vote anything.

1 year ago

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This should now be fixed. Sorry about that.

1 year ago

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Phew :)

Can you give us a bit of insight into what went so badly wrong? Was it a coding error? An idea that hadn't been thought through properly? ...or what?

1 year ago

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We were trying to stop some spammers and went a bit too far on the limits.

1 year ago

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Thanks for answering.

Have you considered requiring email verification for forum posting? (Not for using the lessons, though.)

To minimise disruption, you could leave a long gap between enabling the email verification mechanism and starting the disallowing of posting for unverified users.

1 year ago

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Yep we have... we will likely do something like this.

1 year ago

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Thx Luis, for sharing this really great news around "mail-verification for interactions in forums"!

1 year ago

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YAAAAAAS!! Woot woot! :D

1 year ago

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Do it, please :D

All the spamming problems that moderators can't deal properly with come from multiple acounts.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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SO excited to read this!!! Gracias, gracias, mil gracias!!!

1 year ago

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Perfect! Thank you, Luis, for answering and the fast reaction!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

Thanks a lot.

No, seriously, thank you.

1 year ago

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Cool, thanks!

1 year ago

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2 days, and still impossible to downvote spam. Spammers can flood with insults and "xggeges", I see those messages, but I cannot do anything. Same deception than yours.

The worse is with bad answers (about grammar) on the forum, they seem legit now without being downvoted.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahWittasek

I know so much "spam" gets through now without people's ability to down vote.

1 year ago

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The lunatics took over the asylum a long time ago. Honestly, I think the best way to protest against this sort of nonsense is to refuse point blank to vote down the ordure. Let it stand. Let them see what they're left with when they treat users with the odd brain cell like idiots and give them the site they deserve.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

This also keeps spammers from voting down multiple good legit posts in a short amount of time, I personally haven't seen much of an effect on my voting abilities but then I don't generally do that much up or down voting anyway. But I don't think there has been quite as bad of a down voting problem lately so something must be working.

1 year ago

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People downvoting multiple legit posts in a short amount of time is annoying but not the problem. As long as everyone has one vote, the reasonable people will overpower the annoying ones and keep the posts afloat. The problem is people downvoting one legit post multiple times with different accounts. Apparently the staff has completely missed that distinction. Aria for example has suggested that people would need to spend 10 minutes on the site before they can vote.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

You are right I think the Duolingo staff has probably overlooked the fact that if you limited accounts to one per person most of these problems would be gone.

1 year ago

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I agree so much! Even just adding e-mail verfication to get to the discussions, so families could still be using Duo from the same IP, but it would slow down spam accounts. (if they wanted they could still allow studying without verification and just make it mandatory to use the discussion boards).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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Exciting news: see Luis' comment in this discussion :D

1 year ago

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Awesome! :D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

The spammers will just make alternate accounts, so they can continue to downvote. Or they can make a bunch of spam posts to make it more difficult to get to the good posts.

In my opinion, this won't fix a thing, only make it worse.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

At least the Duolingo team is doing something to try to reduce spam. So far I think they are only experimenting so give them a break. They will find something that works eventually. Btw users just down voting spam posts didn't solve anything either.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

Look, I respect your opinion. I just don't understand the staff's motive behind this decision. Maybe it is for a good reason, but I'm just so confused (also I'm stupid).

I don't hate the staff - they're actually pretty nice, in fact. I just want answers.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

What is not to understand?? They are experimenting with methods for reducing spam while at the same time trying to reduce the down voting problem. Plain and simple. And you guys aren't helping at all. If you think there is a problem you can report it directly to Duolingo support, you don't have to make a post about it. Which btw the staff probably won't see anyway.

1 year ago

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...and your whole argument was just blown out of the water by Luis replying in this thread saying they got it wrong.

(I can why you would get frustrated by (even legitimate, as this thread) complaining. But complaining about complaining ​doesn't really help anyone either...)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

I've already made this situation pretty bad, so I'm just going to say this before I end up making it worse:

I respect the staff's decisions, even if I don't agree with them. I don't know how to run a server or a business. The staff know better than I do.

Again, I don't want to make this worse than I've already made it.

1 year ago

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I agree with estudianteMTI3. They're probably doing it for a good reason, they just didn't reveal everything.

1 year ago

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HelpfulDuo wasn't very clear. He didn't specifically say that they put a limit because they thought it would help. Maybe they had to do that as some sort of byproduct

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

You're right, the message wasn't clear at all. That's another thing that bothers me, it didn't explain why, it just said that they're experimenting.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Didn't explain why

Uh it might not have been about experimenting with ways to reduce spam would it?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahWittasek

maybe they should tell the truth nothing but the truth and the whole truth that might help.

1 year ago

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Recently (when I still had my down votes) this one girl tried to argue with me about how some "chat room" discussion wasn't spam. And it was even more annoying because she was new.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahWittasek

why would they do something without fully explaining to people that it might effect that is like saying we have cookies but they don't say they are raisin cookies that are gluten free that is so inhumane.

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Because they always do the same. It's their way to pass reforms. Trying to make them look very little, when they are huge. Politicians...

1 year ago

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I don't really understand how politics is related to this discussion.

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It is. Seach for the different meaning for "politics".

1 year ago

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oh dear now you know why I don't like lyres.

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It's politics...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MikeNolan6

It seems to me that I'm seeing less spam, and more importantly I'm not seeing as many useful threads down-voted out of existence by self-appointed 'guardians'.

1 year ago

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How do you see useful threads down-voted out of existence by self-appointed 'guardians'? When Activity still existed you could stumble on one through that but now you would have to be there before the guardians and follow it or comment and hope someone replies.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Good point. We never know what we missed when we were off.

1 year ago

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Personal remark: it would have been better to keep discussing it in the staff's post

  1. to not create several discussions about the same topic
  2. because (constructive) remarks made here will very likely never be read by staff (so are very likely useless to have things changed) while a comment there does have a chance to be read by staff (hence a chance to maybe (with luck) make them reverse it).

Of course, on the change itself, I agree it's a bad one (cf. my comments there).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuadraticLingual

Guess we got lucky, then.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/68dustin

C'mon Luis, step it up. Limiting downvtes is just ridiculous.

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Sorry, replying here, not on the same thread.

You are very optimistic.
An overhaul? What does this mean? Which kind of changes?

I don't trust Duolingo team (I mean the devs), as they announced several time things that weren't true. For instance, they wanted to remove immersion for a long time, several months or years, but instead of warning the users, they let it rot, they didn't add other languages to the immersion (knowing they will delete it), and taking as excuse bugs the first time it was removed. Do you remember? The communication is very poor and Luis has a plan, but don't warn anybody. You and me, and the other users, will be the last people to know what the plan is, when they'll remove other things.

Removing immersion, messaging and voting features are part of the plan, and the plan is bigger than this. The plan is killing the old site, to have a brand new site, with other features.

So, I think they will remove forums, and it's the reason why they let them rot in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.

1 year ago

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They said they'd make an overhaul of the forums in the announcement about the website rewrite as well as the one about the temporary removal of the activity stream.

We are also investing in rewriting the Duolingo Forum. This will not only make it faster, but also enable features that surface higher quality content and discourage pesky spam. In addition, we plan to incorporate better tools to communicate with other learners. We understand that social connections are essential, and we plan to expand social features and capabilities as soon as possible.

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It means the death of the old Duolingo, and a new Duolingo that is coming. I don't like it.

The old Duolingo was perfect, the new one will remove everything that I was using here. It's better to find another site. But you shouldn't trust them when they talk about "rapidity" or whatever, the boss of a firm is like a politician, he needs to put some honey with unpopular decisions.

Removing immersion was a terrible decision, everyone told the devs that replacing immersion with groups will bring more troll kids and make the advanced users quit the site. Everyone told Duolingo removing the messaging feature will bring more spam, because people would use posts to chat. Rewriting forums like they are is another (politician) way to say they will be removed, or changed to a minimal state. Without grammar forum Duolingo is 100% useless.

Don't you see that all the late decisions were not what they told us? Where are the features they promised to put to replace them? Everything is towards a light site (so yes, very fast, because very light !!) and a kid site.

1 year ago

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As I understand it as great as immersion was, it was also a liabilty for them because of the copyrights of the texts used. So after the deals translating news fell through they stopped working on it.

But I really think they will work on the forums and it might be better. The search function desperately needs an overhaul, no matter how awesome Duo used to be. There's absolutely no reason to think they'd take the sentence discussions away, not when they just included them in the apps. I really don't think everything new will be like the disappearance of immersion.

The one thing I am scared about is that they'll concentrate more and more on the apps and leave the website be. It's been that way with tinycards, the bots and now even with the Japanese course.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahWittasek

I know we website people need some love to.

1 year ago

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After a while Immerson was not profitable anymore, because the deals went flat and Europe does have stricter copyright laws. That is a fact and not an excuse. If people can just upload their own texts then that's a liability, that they did not need. I wish it was still there, same as you. But I really think that reason is true. (More so than the "only .5% used it".)

I hate the loss of downvote and yep, it won't make it better and just make more work for the moderators, but some people can still do it and after a while it comes back even if it's for a short time (at least for me^^). They didn't think it through and it's stupid. But I don't think it's part of a conspiracy!

And Luis has always been open about the monetarisation even before it happened. And adds are ok for me. Health would suck, but that's an A/B test on 50% of iOS and won't be on web anytime soon as per Luis reddit AMA. So yeah, while the developement is not all perfect it's not evil.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Actually yes here is a direct quote from Luis.

85% of our users are on mobile, so we generally give preference to that. Japanese should be available on Web at some point this year, but I don't have an exact timeframe yet.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Also the reason Android was so far behind was because it is a completely different platform and they were having trouble finding android developers. I do believe they one now though.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Because I believe about 80% or more of the Duolingo users use the mobile apps.

1 year ago

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No, no, no. All of this it's excuse. (It's Duolingo's habit to bring excuse, be aware of it) The immersion went on several years, with no problem. It was not profitable enough, it was the real problem I think! (but I understand one needs money to run a website, that's obvious)

The thing I don't like are fake excuse, they don't tell use the truth, that's really obvious. Open your eyes.

They can't make the forums better by removing the ability to downvote. It's killing them. As anyone will give bad grammar advices with no downvotes.

I disagree, there are a lot of clues showing they will problably remove it or make it minimal. And yes, the app seems a priority for them I think, it's because the app can bring money,and the website now can't.

Duolingo will become premium/freemium. Old Duolingo with its philosophy is dead now, and it's completely a new site, with the old name. It's like giving the Duolingo name to babbel or whatever. Every functions will be rewritten, and it's clear to see the functions they want to remove, because they start by making them unusable.

1 year ago

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I know... Still it should not only be iOS, but at least android as well. And mobile users still could use the website in their mobile browser...

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@68dustin Duolingo never hear users feedback. It never happened, it won't happen now. They just follow their plan.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/estudianteMTI3

Aren't you a jolly one!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PERCE_NEIGE
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I don't know what I am, and what it means.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahWittasek

if there is one word that describes this limit it is outrageous

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RyanOkushi
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Sorry, I was going to upvote this post because it was so good, but I couldn't locate the upvote button. :P At least the "Give Lingot" thing isn't gone.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MikeNolan6

I must not downvote enough to be affected. Upvoting/downvoting without some kind of reasonable limits and/or filtering mechanism is simply a form of web tyranny by those with sufficient skills and resources to exploit the mechanism. Glad to see Duo is doing SOMETHING about it, it may take several iterations to find the right balance.

1 year ago
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