https://www.duolingo.com/BrianPlatt

Gems and "Health" update is the worst App self-destruct I've ever seen.

I just asked my kids (my son is on a 140-day streak, my daughter on a 15) what they think of the new DuoLingo. "I hate it!" they both exclaimed. I couldn't agree more. And then they proceeded to pepper me with the fundamental unfairness of their hundreds of Lingots being converted into near-worthless Gems (because of the 60x price inflation). Outrage would put it lightly.

What a mistake, DuoLingo. You have a fantastic product -- one I would gladly pay for -- but I just won't do Freemium. Freemium is a way to punish your best customers; even worse, the way you've implemented it in DuoLingo actually PUNISHES your users for trying to learn. Outrageous!

We've made DuoLingo an active part of our language learning plan with our children, and now we are looking for something else. Any suggestions on a replacement? I'm happy to pay, but I absolutely refuse the Freemium scam.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl
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Use the web version on your mobile devices. No freemium features, better teaching methods and massive amounts of grammar notes on every course which the app is missing completely.

If you insist on moving, stay away from Rosetta Stone, Buusu and Babbel. Hoopefully you won't have to, as the web version both removes your issues and adds more functionality.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrianPlatt

Thanks for this. It's a suggestion that will perhaps work for me (although I suspect it is just a matter of time until they wreck the web platform, as well). For me, I can use the web version, but my kids are pretty iOS-centric. It a much more integrated platform, and generally (IMHO) works better for kids.

The shame is that it used to be so good, and what a mistake to wreck it like this.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeiferB

Ikr? I'm mad enough about the web version, but the app clearly takes the cake on this one. Can't we just keep our lingots in peace? Can we just have an option to turn off health? PLEASE?!?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrianPlatt

Honestly, the whole thing feels like a money-grab, with zero concern for what has been an amazing platform, thus far.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
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but my kids are pretty iOS-centric

And? iOS devices have browsers, too. They may want to request the desktop website within their browser.

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1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenBookmye

Memrise has a lot of user content based courses so some aren't very good. I looked at the paid option and can't see where it's decisively better than the free. It definitely does not do grammar as well but it's good for vocabulary.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Casper_duo makes a pretty convincing argument here for some of the Memrise official courses (I think French would fall under that umbrella). It definitely seems like they are trying to take on Duolingo on the whole sentence turf. I am in no position to evaluate the claim, however.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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For French, I think lingvist is pretty good, certainly if you have a grasp on the basic grammar. Unlike most Memrise courses, it teaches using complete sentences, always recorded by professional speakers, which is a major benefit.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TimmohB

Lingvist is really great, I like to use in along with Duolingo for German.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zekecoma

I've used it, too. The Spanish is way better than the course on here. I didn't use the German much, but if it's like the Spanish and French. It's better than the ones on here. Sadly, not many language choices, yet.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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The more I use such programs, the more hesitant I grow to base any conclusions for any one language on things that happen to be true for any other language. Both Duo and Lingvist have Russian, for example. The Duo Russian course is a stand-out, really well conceived and implemented, and there's no way I'd recommend Lingvist Russian to someone without a good bit of Russian under their belt already.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zekecoma

Use the desktop. It's way better.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrianPlatt

Yes, using that now except for "strengthening" on the App, which is health free.

1 year ago
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