"That orange juice is bad."
Translation:Der Orangensaft ist schlecht.
That’s true for sentences such das Das ist ... where das is a pronoun for introducing something: Das ist ein Hund. Das ist eine Katze. Das ist ein Pferd. Das sind Tiere.
But not when “that” comes before a noun: der Hund und die Katze und das Pferd und die Häuser “that dog and that cat and that horse and those houses”.
Why is dieser orangensaft marked as incorrect?
Because dieser Orangensaft is “this orange juice”, not “that orange juice”. (Also, Orangensaft should be capitalised; it’s a noun.)
I also thought "the" and "that" were different words in German.
They are not.
English split them up but German kept them the same.
So e.g. die Katze can mean either “the cat” or “that cat”.
Thanks for the explanation - seems strange to have "this" but not "that", but native English speakers should never complain about the strangeness of other languages; it has plenty of it's own. Also, I know about the capitalization, but it is a nuisance to type and isn't marked wrong... yet! :-)
Well, the "normal" article is "der, die das" ~ "the" in English. "That" as I understand is a demonstrative pronoun, which equivilates "dieser, diese, dieses" or "jener, jene, jenes". I cannot explain, why they choose this translation, but I would have rather used "Dieser Orangensaft ist schlecht."
(Das= This/That). How is Der becoming (that) in this context even if the word takes the article for the second word/part of a compound word. The article (Der) still would be (The) unless there is some Deutsch rule/colloquialism that isn't being explained. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
As far as i know "Der Orangensaft ist schlecht" means " the orange juice is bad" and " That orange juice is bad" means " Das Orangensaft is schlecht.....i have been studying german for 1 year and a half and this does not make sense that much to me.....Can somebody explain this to me,please?
if I said "Das ist Orangensaft schlecht" would it be wrong?
Yes. It would mean "That is orange juice bad" -- the "that" would be a demonstrative pronoun (acting instead of a noun) rather than a demonstrative determiner (before a noun) as in "that orange juice" = der Orangensaft.
Your sentence is a closer translation to "That orange juice is not good." Duo wanted a direct translation to "That orange juice is bad," which is "Der Orangensaft ist schlect."
In spirit, you're saying the same thing, but the words are very different. Good/Gut and Bad/Schlecht are polar opposites.
Hope that helps.
Think of the word "bass" in English (silly example but it's the first thing I could think of.) It can mean an instrument, a deep sound, or a fish. But we rely on the context to know how it's being used. Same with sie. They sound the same but the conjugation of the verb and the context of the sentence will help you figure out whether it's she or they. Sie ist gut- she is good. Sie sind gut- they are good. As far as I can tell (I could be wrong though) the conjugation of the verbs for she and they will never be the same because she is singular and they is plural. So as long as you watch the verb, you'll be fine. ^.^
I hope you're still on this because it's been more than a year. When saying "that" instead of "the" German uses "das" regardless of gender, right? So if I say "Das Orangensaft ist schlecht." I am saying "That orange juice is bad." If I say, "Der Orangensaft ist schlecht" Then I am saying, "THE orange juice is bad."
I understand why one would use der, Orangensaft is masculine because of the word Saft. I get that part. But der means "the", correct? So you wouldn't use der in this sentence because then it would change the translation from "that" to "the". So why does Duolingo mark das incorrect but der as correct?
When saying "that" instead of "the" German uses "das" regardless of gender, right?
No, wrong. You need to use the correctly-gendered form before a noun.
When "That" is used instead of a noun, though, to introduce something new to the conversation, use neuter singular das -- e.g. das sind meine Kinder "those are my children" or das ist der Vater "that is the father".
If I say, "Der Orangensaft ist schlecht" Then I am saying, "THE orange juice is bad."
It could be "the orange juice" or "that orange juice" -- or even "this orange juice"; German doesn't keep "this" and "that" as strongly separate as English.
But der means "the", correct?
der means "the" or "that" or sometimes even "this".
The attribution of gender in languages has little to do with anatomy, but I guess you know that by now. There are certain rules, but mostly we have to memorize the genders along with the nouns. My favorite app to practice the genders in German is Der Die Das (yellow background with a capital letter gothic D in the middle.) As said before in this discussion, compound words have the gender of the word placed at its end, in this case, der Saft.
I thought when you say that in German, you use 'jener'.
If you do that, you'll be understood, but it'll sound really weird. A bit like if you went around talking about "yon book". (Except that jenes Buch is more understandable to a German than "yon book" to your average English speaker.)
jener, jene, jenes is used very little, especially in spoken language.
How else to distinguish between 'the orange juice' and 'that orange juice'?
In speech: by stress. The definite article is almost always unstressed, while demonstratives are almost always stressed.
So Ich sehe das Buch. would be "I see the book." while Ich sehe das Buch. would be "I see that book."
In writing, context is usually enough.
Sometimes in speech people add hier and da to demonstratives to make it more specific: das Buch hier is "this book" and das Buch da is "that book". (We don't accept this on the Duolingo course.)
This makes no sense, it is "that orange juice", which ought to translate as "das Orangensaft", not "the orange juice", which would be "der Orangensaft". But using "das" is marked wrong and Duolingo states "der" is correct, yet how can this be, when translating "that" instead of "the"? I really don't understand the explanations given on this page about this... Ich verstehe dies nicht! Danke für eure Hilfe! Thanks for your help!
der, die, das can all mean "the" and "that".
English split that up into two separate words but German still uses the same word for both meanings.
So before a noun, you have to use the correctly-gendered word: der Orangensaft "that orange juice", die Feder "that feather", das Buch "that book", die Flaschen "those bottles".
Is there a way to return to the comments sections (i.e. flag the comments) without actually leaving a comment.
I think not. Which probably explains the "dotting" (people leaving single-letter comments). Very annoying.
Yet another reason to disprefer the mobile app and use only the website.
It seems accusative sentence.
There's no such thing as "an accusative sentence".
Sentences as a whole are not in any particular case -- cases are there to show the roles that parts of the sentence play.
For example, the subject of a verb is in the nominative case, the direct object of a verb is (almost always) in the accusative case, prepositions require a particular case, and so on.
der Orangensaft is the subject of the verb ist, and so it is in the nominative case.
What about this sentence looks accusative to you?
I think you should be happy, because it is wrong, and it's good if Duolingo tells you.
Orangensaft is a compound word and is written as a single word in German. Also, I'm not sure where you get das from -- Orange is feminine and Saft is masculine; neither word is neuter. (The combination is masculine -- as always, the gender of a compound noun is the gender of the last component.)
But "das ist schlecht" = that is bad, is correct, right? If so, I can see how "das" can mean "that" but it's still difficult to me to understand how "der" can aso mean "that." Like others commenters, I would require "dieser" as in "Dieser Orangensaft its schlecht." Can you please, Mizinamo, elaborate on the use of "der" as "that"?
Orangensaft and any saft(juice) is male, because when you combine two nouns to make a new noun, the new noun takes the gender of the noun which isn't the adjective(Orange is an adjective in "Orange Juice") or in most cases the second noun. So Orangensaft is male because saft is male, Katzenfutter(catfood or "cat feed" more literally) is neuter or neutral because futter is neutral.
I'll try a summary
Der Saft = the juice
Die Orange = the orange
Der Orangensaft = the orange juice (takes the same gender as Saft)
Das ist der Orangensaft = that is the orange juice
Der Orangensaft ist schlecht = the orange juice is bad
Der Orangensaft ist schlecht = that orange juice is bad (exactly the same German words as "the orange juice is bad")
Ich denke, daß der Orangensaft kalt ist = I think that the orange juice is cold
So far we have
der and die, both translated as "the"
das, der and daß (dass) all translated as "that"
This list is far from complete but I didn't want to make it any more complicated. Sorry if it's confusing, but that's just how it is :-)
Careful - if said with a level of humbleness, should be OK (hopeful guess here). But an intentional usage of 'Das Kellner ist schlecht" ... could sound aristocratic and you may not get precisely what you ordered off the menu. Then the next thing you know an emoji of your likeness is superimposed over the head of a football/soccer referee who made a bad call, and that is patched onto the jumbotron TV -- it'll put a damper on the trip.
No both are male, both der Apfelsaft and der Orangensaft are male, as is der Saft and any other kind of juice like der Tomatensaft (the tomato juice) or der Traubensaft (the grape juice) or der Aprikosensaft (the apricot juice) or der Ananassaft (the pineapple juice) or der Zitronensaft (the lemon juice) or der Grapefruitsaft (the grapefruit juice).
Gender in a compound word comes from the last part of the compound, which is Saft, making any type of Saft go with der.
For the same reason, any kind of berry is female, since die Beere is the berry. So the strawberry is die Erdbeere, the raspberry is die Himbeere, the blueberry is die Heidelbeere, the blackberry is die Brombeere, the elderberry is die Holunderbeere, etc.
Similarly, any kind of room is neuter since das Zimmer is neuter, so the living room is das Wohnzimmer, the bedroom is das Schlafzimmer, the bathroom is das Badezimmer, the dining room is das Esszimmer, the workroom is das Arbeitszimmer, etc.
That about sums up gender of compound words in German, just go by the last part of the compound.