"これをください。"
Translation:This one, please.
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I think they're trying to train us to have good manners without thinking about it.
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So, technically you can ask, if you don't mind being rude.
But also, there are actually a number of other (albeit more advanced) ways to ask for things that are not only not rude, but also significantly more polite than ください.
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A question will normally end with a か. As for the phraae, "Sore o kudasai" is literally "this please" which is proper and how I was taught during Japanese in school. It is polite and what I used when shopping in Japan :)
(Correct just adding) it is not a question so the suggested answer by duolingo is wrong
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Right, though I think think it's worth noting that it you're trying to translate the sentiment and use typical language there is nothing wrong with it. It's certainly pretty far from a literal translation, but I feel like translating literally might give the impression that this statement is a bit rude.
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Until I started reading this thread I wasn't even really sure what is being expressed. The English translation shown when I get it wrong is "I had like this", which is not a complete English sentence..."I had like this" doesn't express anything clearly in English. "Can I get this one" is clearer, but that is not what the auto-correct shows.
Apparently this is another reason the course is still in beta?
You will always have an indicator of the subject "wo,wa" when the sentence gets more complicated that will help you to find the subject inasentence
Simple way to remember direct actions
Object を verb
水 を のむ drink water すし を 食べる eat sushi おかね を はらう pay money かばん を かう buy a bag
Note the verbs are in plain / dictionary form so u have to change / conjugate them accordingly in order to use them in real life
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This is completely incorrect. The particles を and は, pronounced o and wa respectively, function differently in a sentence.
Here, and in every case I can think of, を acts as a marker of the direct object. That is the say, the noun or phrase before を is what the verb is acting on.
On the other hand, は is technically the topic marker, i.e. what the rest of the sentence refers back to, but in a lot of cases, the topic and the subject (what is doing the verb) are the same thing so は fills that role too.
Furthmore, these particles are not always going to be present in more complicated sentences, especially in spoken language. In particular, は gets omitted a lot because the topic is often assumed based on the context.
If I replaced を with は, how would that change the meaning of the sentence?
[wa kudasai] doesn't make sense. You use wa when describing something usually, like [neko wa akai desu] means "the cat is red". You use wo, pronounced o, when using verbs, like [omae o shinjiru] "believe in yourself". If you say [neko wa kudasai] you have a grammatical nonsense phrase "the cat is please give me".
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doesn't that means を here it's wrong?,I mean;what is the verb in ''これをください''?
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I would rather have a different English sentence. Probably not every English speaker feels this way, but to me 'can I get a __' is either really casual or a little rude, and in either case doesn't seem appropriate for a basic translation. (I'm an American native speaker, for reference.)
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As a Brit, if feels weird to be translating it via the American "Can I get.." rather than "Can I have..". I don't know whether it's possible for Duolingo to localise it between US and UK users but there we are.
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I'm American, and I feel the same. It drives me bonkers every time I see this. "Can I have" is natural. "Can I get" feels RUDE or at least low class. Perhaps it's a generational thing, or there are locality pockets. I don't think it's as broad US vs UK (in this case), though I did see where that would come up for you on other areas. Ireally wish they would change the given translation to "Can I have..."! If they are tracking this to English learners, they are contributing to this "ruder" way of speaking. Moore pollute manners would be appreciated - even in America! And technically, I believe that since this is a request "permission", as opposed to an outright "ability", "may I " would be even better yet. It's even more polite, pleasant. However, is aged that "Can" is usually used instead of "may" almost always, so not matter which would be more technically correct, or appropriate here, simply teaching for all cases makes sense. I enjoy re words "may", though it would make sense to not even teach that word! "Can I GET", I Do have resistance to. "Can I HAVE" it's much better, IMHO. Regardless, we understand that we're learning the Japanese equivalent of whatever Our version of this sentence would be : "Can/may I have/get...".
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It's grammer. If using the program through a web browser, you can type (using a keyboard) many of the answers. The program appears to accept a range of correct English answers. The statement about the use of "get" being rude and low class is seemingly classist. Please refrain from classism. The 1% make grammatical errors e.g. "Moore [sic] ..."
On this note, "have" is more correct but if you understand the intent of the sentence then the purpose of language is fulfilled!
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Also "get" is more akin in meaning to "fetch".
And to say "I get..." would refer to ME ding the getting/fetching.
"You get..." would refer to YOU don't the fetching/getting.
So "have" is technically the more appropriate translation, AND the more polite translation.
"Can I get" is technically incorrect.
And most regions, it would be considered rude,
especially by all but the youngest generations.
The youngest generations (or possibly less educated in older generations?) might say "Can I get.." as
a Request for someone Else" to fetch/get something For Them,
rather than the actual meaning, which is
asking someone Else for Permission to be allowed to "get" something (Themself).
..in a kind of slang or casual usage to mean the same thing.
The younger generations, in some regions, has been substituting this phrase as a standard, acceptable phrase - it does seem to be spreading through the language as an equivalent connotation, in many locations. Though it is not universal across all English speaking nations, or cities (or states) within countries.
But DuoLingo should give. "could I have"
as the main translation..
(or, "may I have", which is proper)
..BUT also ACCEPT
"could I get".
IF one is instead asking for permission to be able "get" (fetch) some (object) themselves.
Then, "get" would be correct. (and polite).
Technically, "can" is not even the grammatically correct word to use, in either case..
"May" is the proper word for requests and permissions.
But in practice, "may" gets little use, except by the most diligent.
"May I have.." (pepper, polite)
"Can I have.." (Technically and historically improper, but in practice is most often what's said, Polite)
"Can I get.." (Improper, and in many locations considered rude/impolite. Also older generations are more likely to find it rude than younger generations. In some locations, and among some age groups,, however, this expression may be commonly used with little to no negative connotation).
In short, swaths of people worldwide, consider the "translation" given by DuoLingo to be a rude, incorrect translation.
While I AGREE, it should be an ACCEPTED translation,
I Cringe that it is given as a standard/main translation.", because it is considered impolite/rude inn so many places, based on the Actual meaning of fee phrase they provide. It is technically and grammatically incorrect. And aside from certain regions which has its own connotation to the(slang-ish) phrase, or had a true meaning and contain at odds to the given translation.
Certainly, Japanese would not be speaking in such a rude manner here.
I'm sure thereis a way to say this sentence in Japanese that does have a similar rude connotation, or a grammatically incorrect/slang/Casual/youth manner of speaking.
Save this direct translation for the equivalent casual/less-polite Japanese usage of said phrase.
Accept both.
If this was the "urban dictionary" version of DuoLingo, then hey..ok. But it's not.
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sounds like you're using natural language variation as an excuse to be classist and prescriptivist but okay
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Agreed, I´m here to learn Japanese. btw."Moore pollute manners would be appreciated"???? Can i GET a better sentence NOW! just asking kindly.
Kore = close to speaker (this) Sore = close to listener (that) Are = far from both of you (that over there)
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Also, ください is a word for requests which adds a certain level of politeness, a level well above "Give me that"
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I would tentatively say yes, it should be accepted, but while the difference in politeness between "Give me that" and "Can I have this one?" is clear, once you start to move up in politeness, the differences get a little harder to define. I mean, consider the following sentences (in no particular order):
- Can I have this one?
- Can I have this one please?
- Could I have this one?
- Could I have this one please?
- May I have this one?
- May I have this one please?
- Would I be able to have this one?
- Would it be alright if I have this one?
Are you able to definitively rank each of those sentences in terms of politeness? Even if you could, if I gave you a list of more polite versions of これをください in Japanese, do you think it would be possible to map them to each other, in such a way that you could identify a logical pattern? Unfortunately, when it comes to translating between higher levels of politeness, there isn't a pattern, and it comes down to your own understanding of both English and Japanese culture to figure out what would be the most appropriate.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is really too difficult a concept to define.
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Technically speaking, yes. But I don't know if Duo will accept it or not.
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YES YES YES thank you I was really confused as to the difference. Lingot for you.
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It sounds like kore o, but I think technically it's a heavily unvoiced wo (as in, the "w" sound is very "breathy" and no tongue is involved in making it).
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sorry guys I am having a problem, because each time I write "can I get this one it corrects me to write that, so when I put "that" it corrects me to write "this". I am going crazy!
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Hey, you might be confusing "それ" or "あれ" (which means "that") with "これ" (which means "this"). Maybe you haven't mastered your reading yet, keep practicing!
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Perhaps we are. And I daresay my mastery of hirgana has room for improvement as well. But then, I've not found anything in this course that explicitly explains to the student the difference between 'this' and 'that'. If there is a page that does this I'd be very much obliged if you'd share the link. VERY minimal explanation of either grammar or vocabulary combined with a presentation of material that is in a quiz format that penalizes the students for getting something wrong (essentially because they didn't know it prior to working with the course material) is not very good pedagogy and is bound to leave some students confused and/or very frustrated.
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Just putting a quick and dirty explanation (although I can't confirm, I'll be back with a link to a detailed information).
"This" (これ) refers to an object close to the speaker
"That" (それ) refers to an object close to the addressee
"That" (あれ) refers to an object far from both.
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それ and これ aren't interchangable, right? Am I not noticing they're the same or am I getting "it" instead of "that" as an answer correction for both?
Kore = this (close to speaker). Sore = that (close to listener). Are = that (far away). As for the translation, it, that, and this can be interchangable depending on the situation of the english phrasing, so duolingo is probably being too flexible.
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There are a few ways you can ask that depending on the situation you're in. The level of politeness can change, even the verb can change depending on the type of "getting" you ask for.
(^That's mostly to cover my butt in case I get my suggestion wrong f(^_^;) I've been debating with myself most of the day about whether to use くれる or もらう, and which form of them, so I have to say I'm not 100% on top of the nuance here. But my suggestion is 「それを取ってくれませんか」 where 取って (とって) is the て-form of 取る, meaning "to pick up".
I feel like this translates into can I have that please instead of can I get that
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hek this sounded so rude when I first saw it, I thought it meant "This Please" which doesn't sound good
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What's the difference between wo and ha following a noun?
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は indicates the topic of the sentence
を indicates that the following noun is a direct object of a verb
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Literally, "This one, please", if I've understood the phrase correctly. But surely this corresponds to the (polite) English formulation "May I / Could I have this one, please?", and not to "Can I get this one?", which sounds rather rude to my ears.
But perhaps Duolingo is reflecting the (sad) fact that young people today seem increasingly to be saying -- to serving-staff, for example -- things like "Can I get a glass of water?" (when what they really mean is "Please may I have a glass of water?") and to which the appropriate response is surely: "No, you stay there; I'll get it it for you".
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Just adding to this. If I use 'get' then it can have the extra meaning of 'fetch'. So in this case I would use 'have' to be more accurate. Also my understanding is that the other person is giving you the object or thing and normally you would use have in order not to be rude
In my class this was taught as a polite command or statement..like "take this" literally "this please" but not "this please?" For example your teacher my say "suwatte kudasai" "sit please" instructing that the class take their seats. I can understand that it could be made into something like "this one?" when you're doing things together but I wouldn't say its quite "can I get this?" Maybe its a new slang I don't know about?
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これそください is incorrect. そ may look similar to を, but they are completely different letters and を has a specific grammatical role to play in this sentence.
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Why is it using を instead of は? I still don't get when do you use each of them.
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I've answered this question before on this page:
Here, and in every case I can think of, を acts as a marker of the direct object. That is the say, the noun or phrase before を is what the verb is acting on.
On the other hand, は is technically the topic marker, i.e. what the rest of the sentence refers back to, but in a lot of cases, the topic and the subject (what is doing the verb) are the same thing so は fills that role too.
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I've answered this question before on this page:
Here, and in every case I can think of, を acts as a marker of the direct object. That is the say, the noun or phrase before を is what the verb is acting on.
On the other hand, は is technically the topic marker, i.e. what the rest of the sentence refers back to, but in a lot of cases, the topic and the subject (what is doing the verb) are the same thing so は fills that role too.
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Actually, rather than coming from 下 (した), the noun, 下さい is a conjugation of the verb 下さる (くださる).
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The "wa" in this sentence is completely silent ? I cannot hear it in the audio. I do hear the previous bowl extended longer, however. Is the extension of the previous vowel sound in lieu of "wo" ? - like maybe it makes it easier to speak the sentence ?
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There is no "wa" in this sentence?
If you mean "wo" as in を, it is there, but it's pronounced as "o". The audio is a little quick when it says これを so it sounds like "koreo".
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Yes, typo - I meant "wo".
(wish there wa an 'edit' button).
Thanks. I hadn't picked up that the pronunciation of を (wo) changed (to 'o' (お) ) when used as a direct object marker.
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I haven't even learnt how to say this sentence yet, but they're still gonna give this to me first.
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I wish when you hovered over it, it would show the pronunciation :(
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But doesn't the Hiragana is already self-explanatory on how it should be pronounced?
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This has been addressed several times in these comments; please read them before posting.
To summarize, the Japanese sentence is not a question, but the English sentence is in order to show the equivalent politeness.
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This isn't the first time someone has commented on it...
(Please read the other comments before posting.)
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No, この is an adjective or a modifier. It needs a noun or a noun phrase to come after it. On the other hand, これ is a pronoun which means it can be used in place of another noun.
Yep, it should be acceptable. kudasai isn't a question it's for statements. I'm sure ppl use it incorrectly in slang but for learning it formally, the site is misleading.
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No, it shouldn't be acceptable. The directionality of {object}をください is a request by the speaker. So the object moves from the listener to the speaker.
"Please get this" sounds more like an instruction for the listener to take the object, i.e. the object moves to the listener. This is not the same meaning as the Japanese phrase.
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Why is it incorrect to use が isnt that particle usually used for possession?
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I understand it this way: 'ga' (が) indicates the subject of the sentence while in this case the word is the object of the sentence. The correct particle for objects is '(w)o' (を)
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Mainly because これ means "this" (or something close to the speaker), not "that".
But also, because the verb "to pass (sth)" doesn't appear in the Japanese sentence. It should have looked like this: これを渡してください (これをわたしてください)
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Where is the question mark? Without the question mark it will confuse people!
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There isn't supposed to be a question mark because the Japanese sentence isn't a question. This has already been discussed numerous times on this page. If people are confused, they should read the comments before posting.
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why is it in the other examples the app uses "can get" and then "will have"? "will get" is incorrect?
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I get the distances, but really, what's tge difference between "this" and "that"?
"This" refers to something near the speaker while "that" is refering to something near the listener (or away from both the speaker and listener see "that over there")
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I put "Can I have that?" and it said it was wrong, that it was supposed to be "Can I have it?". Are "that" and "it" that different here?
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Just for correction: これ means 'this' instead of 'that' or 'it'. The correct word for 'that' is それ or あれ
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Hmm I couldn't translate it properly because it didn't have the translation in the suggested words
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I cant understand any if the characters at first glance unlike Chinese. Maybe this isnr for me.
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Wha? The sentence is literally 'this please.' So why the long arse English sentences. The literal is not too far from the actual translation. Baka
