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Too much repetition while strenghtening skills

Omnia87
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Hi guys,

I've been away from duolingo for a while and am refreshing my Italian. I'm a bit frustrated though at how it takes like 4 to 6 practice sessions per topic for it to get back to the full level. This in and of itself is not necessarily wrong, but: 1. Often I get the same sentences repeated across several of those sessions. 2. If I need that many repeats, I may as well rerun the entire course from scratch, defeating the point of 'strengthening'.

Anyone else who finds this a bit much?

1 year ago

13 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchFireBird

If you practice the skills at the bottom of the tree, it can strengthen the ones farther up as well. Good luck golding all of your skills!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omnia87
Omnia87
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Thanks for your reply. I've found this is true, though in limited fashion. Sadly of course, if you've been away a while it's preferable to 'build up' towards the more advanced skills rather than use a top down approach.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kai291321

yeah i now what you mean

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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I've been strengthening my Portuguese tree of late. I haven't noticed too much of an issue of the sentences being repeated, unless I get them wrong the first time (in which case I actually like that they're repeated), but 4-6 practice sessions does seem to be about the number for getting a skill back to gold. It varies, sensibly enough, with the number of lessons (and, therefore, vocab) in the skill. My tree was extremely decayed — down to one bar for almost everything; hadn't touched most of it in almost a year — so I guess I find this fairly reasonable. It takes about that many practices to see the vocab from that skill once. With the somewhat recent end of the A/B test boosting skill strength, I guess this is what it takes to get a skill back to gold. Granted, if I'd only been away from the tree for a much shorter period of time, I'm sure I would find it frustrating, particularly if things were decayed indiscriminately without much connection to how well I actually knew them.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omnia87
Omnia87
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Thanks for giving me your thoughts/experience. I see your point of view. What just bothers me most is not the fact that I have a lot to review. It makes sense for duolingo to gauge my level of retention and force me to look at every word/phrase/skill. However, what does not make so much sense to me is that out of those 4 to 6 times that I select the "strenghten skills" option, I must to a large extent repeat the same questions across different sessions. I'd be answering something correctly, and 3 minutes later I'm looking at the same question. When you've got so much repetition to do already, the double/triple inclusion of the same questions/skills seems detrimental to motivation and thus the learning effort.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Agreed. I haven't happened to see that so much in Portuguese (I do get the same sentence from English to Portuguese and Portuguese to English, which I think is fine), but I have certainly seen it in other trees, particularly Guaraní. There I was doing a lot more than required just to get it back to gold, and it seemed that sometimes even up to half of the reviews would start with the same couple sentences. I know that Duolingo algorithms automatically adjust the frequency with which certain sentences are presented (a Russian contributor once mentioned that one sentence was presented to learners 100 times more often than another quite similar sentence, and there was nothing they could do about it). There were some other clear bugs for me with strengthening in the Guaraní tree, so I figured it was because that tree is still very much in beta, with attendant issues. However, it's pretty well known that there are some issues with word strengthening in general not working as one would hope (words users have seen many times in the past week showing up in the Words tab as not strengthened in years, for example), so a combination of all these wrinkles probably leads to sentences coming up too often. Certainly share the desire the system be improved.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
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Yes, same here, assuming you are talking about the overall 'strengthening skills' option/button. I don't know why they simply selected the weakest skills or a mix thereof.

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1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omnia87
Omnia87
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Yeah that's what I meant indeed. Impressive streak btw!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DanBarnes6

I somewhat disagree. Seems like the current setup results in better retention.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omnia87
Omnia87
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I'm not denying it might be true, but at what point is practicing the same exercise going to yield better retention, rather than being inefficient? Especially when I've already managed to answer the question correctly during the first strengthening session, indicating that I've already retained this particular information.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omnia87
Omnia87
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Source?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Julia.Booth

Yeah, I feel that. In the past, if I needed to revise something I checked the individual lessons in that section to see if there's any words I didn't know 100%. If there were I just strengthen the bars by repeating that part instead.

Now I've got a Chrome add-on to edit the CSS of webpages, so I ignore the bars and tweak the styles permanently like this: http://i.imgur.com/oxpl1x4.png

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omnia87
Omnia87
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Haha, so advanced. I'd rather give duolingo feedback though to see if they can improve upon their great program.

1 year ago