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  5. "ナイフをつかってパンをきりました。"


Translation:I cut the bread using a knife.

June 8, 2017



While I agree with the other commenters in that this sentence is a bit awkward and 「ナイフでパンを切りました」is the more natural way to say it, I think that the idea behind this question, and kind of with the use/write with a pen question, is to demonstrate that the て-form verb, in addition to connecting the two clauses, follows the tense of the verb at the end of the sentence.

In somewhat awkward English, this question can be written as "I used a knife, and cut the bread." 「つかって」becomes translated as "used" (past tense) because of 「切りました」(also past tense). To those who are used to thinking about Japanese verbs, this might sound super obvious, but て-form is often introduced as the verb form for requests and/or present continuous tense. That's just my guess as to what the course devs were thinking though ┐(ツ)┌


I also thought something like that.

I think this question in English would be something like "I cut the bread by using a knife" (some languages like Spanish don't need a word like "by" and allow you to put both sentences -and verbs- one after the other to express this, so I guess the analogy will be easier to make if you know any of them), and ナイフでパンを切りました would be "I cut the bread with a knife"


English doesn't need a "by" either. Using it would actually be wrong. "I cut the bread using a knife" is be the correct wording.


If you used the "using the knife" part at the end of the sentence I think it is wrong to use by. However, if the sentence is like

By using a knife, I cut the bread.

I think it's necessary. However, the emphasis would be on "using" -as in the original Japanese sentence (ナイフをつかって...). Can the two parts be changed in Japanese? I don't know how it could be done though.




Most people say ナイフでパンを切りました。The original sentence has redundant words.


Well, irl people sometimes use redundant words too. I think this phrasing makes it makes more explicit that you used a knife rather than, say, a chainsaw to cut your bread.


Who would use a chainsaw? I use nuclear fission, to generate enough energy to split it into gajillions of equal pieces


We the poor people sometimes just use our hands when there's no knife at sight or are just to lazy to use one :)


This sentence feels really awkward


i forgot "i" and got it wrong =_=

i guess 私 was implied


Well, there needs to be some kind of subject to be grammatical English


Naifhu wo tsukatte pan wo kiri mashita.


shouldn't the usual English translation be: "I sliced the bread with a knife"?



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