https://www.duolingo.com/n9yty

Don't like the "health" change

Just saying, I don't like it. I know you have to do what you feel you have to do, but for me, this is a huge detraction from the platform. If users don't share their opinions, you'll never know, but at the same time I'm not torching you about it. :)

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/gatiquo
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I agree totally. Twice I had to stop a lesson because I ran out of 'juice.' This is a stupid policy for an organization that claims it is PROMOTING learning languages.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hollymcloughlin

I totally agree. The way it stops you in the middle of a lesson is especially maddening. In order to make sure I keep my streak intact, I've had to go back to the very first lessons of my easiest language, since I can't wait 25 hours to get my health back and they punish you with a total cessation of learning if you try something challenging enough to make mistakes. I zip through the very basic ones in a few minutes and keep my streak intact, which is a really stupid way to conduct oneself on a learning site, but they've left no choice. I'm about to switch to Memrise or Babbel, or possibly Rosetta Stone.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Please don't waste your resources on Rosetta Stone (ok, since I now see you don't have a Russian flag, I can't speak to the specific experience you'd have, but the opinion shared by many an experienced language learner is that it's far from worth the price — or, even worse, the time spent)

Obviously, you didn't have to go back to the easiest lessons. You can chose to strengthen whatever you want to keep your streak. At least some of us have received an update that lets you regain health when strengthening any skill that we pick. Obviously, this is a great improvement that I hope will soon be universal, given that the chance of the system as a whole going away seem about nil.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hollymcloughlin

That would at least be an improvement, yes. A shame they don't listen to their users OR to educational psychologists. "Make your students afraid of making mistakes" is the WORST thing an educator can do. Thanks for the RS warning; I'm exploring all options.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/geneven
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RS is not as bad or as expensive as they say. You have a choice of how long you sign up for their online lessons. My advice is pay for six months.

Check out Glossika. I like their approach, and the best price is about $75.

But you shouldn't leave DL. It would take too many words to explain why you are wrong. Making mistakes is NOT good when done superficially. It is possible to blitz thru DL and learn practically nothing by just guessing and picking answers at random. They are trying to prevent that.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/n9yty

Sorry, they are trying to make money. Understandable, they have to, but let's not try to hide what they are up to.

And I guess we have to agree to disagree about the mistakes thing, although I belive plenty of research backs up that making them is better than not.

After all, if your point is to really LEARN the language, and how to use it, you cannot do it in a bookish fashion and anquish over every question pondering every word. You have to, though repetition and practice, get to the point where what comes out of your mind is the right thing. This is making lots of mistakes, and something the current health system will punish.

While I agree you can't just push buttons and learn, I also agree that if you want it to really becomew part of you you have to build that from the beginning, and that means making mistakes. Lots of them.

But I think we will never agree, so let's not fight about it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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I don't think geneven's point is wrong, and I also certainly don't disagree with yours. There's a lot of space available between (1) not having students being afraid of making mistakes and (2) having people race through entire trees learning precious little.

A number of features of the health system, even with the significant improvement of regaining health for reviewing any degilded skill that I have received, strike me as well off base, but I can imagine a system not so unlike health that could well help learning. Say it intelligently analyses your errors and encourages you to review the specific lessons where the material you're making mistakes with arises. I think that could be excellent. And if people wanted to spend $ to rush on fast anyway, whatevs.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Have you tried Rosetta Stone for Russian? I think the online subscription aspect with native speaker lessons, etc. may be ok, although nothing you can't find elsewhere. But the core of the system I simply found to be a massive time waster.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/geneven
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The last time I tried RS for Russian was a few hours ago. I've been through the whole course several times and am going through it again. I don't think it's a waste of time.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Listrix

I'm not the biggest fan of it, but at the same time it does help a little. When practising on Duolingo I often don't pay enough attention and make heaps of stupid mistakes that I normally wouldn't, the addition of health makes me focus more and double checking my answers to make sure I don't make any mistakes.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/goliadsiat

hello

1 year ago
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