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# "一万千百円です。"

## Translation:It is 11,100 yen.

June 18, 2017

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I really don't understand this numbers logic.

It's the same logic as in English and many other languages. For 2310, you would say

Two thousand three hundred ten

in Japanese, just the same

二千三百十

The difference is Japanese doesn't have unique words for numbers 11-99, but it has unique words for 10000 and 100000 and so on

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ありがとございます。You've just answered my question. :)

The 'one' is omitted for the 10^4 kanji 万 but not the 10^3 千or the 100 百. In English, it cannot be omitted.

1100 is 'one thousand one hundred', not 'thousand hundred'

Is it just a feature of 万? If you had a value of exactly 10 000 would you still say 一万 or would just 万 be an option?

I think you have it backwards. 万 is written 一万 and 千 is written without the 一.

U would still have to say 一万

Oh, you're right! I still get confused at knowing how to pronounce long English numbers though haha (English is my 2nd lenguage), but it's far easier when you realize it has the same logic

I don't believe it is the same logic. If it were then it would be easier to fathom. Either that or I have a massive mental block in terms of the way Japanese tackles numbering.

Helps to remember that Japanese puts the commas every four digits instead of three, so they'd write 1,0000,0000 where we would write 100,000,000

Wow! That is new to me! Thanks for sharing!

Wow that makes things make so much more sense. ありがとう！

That's a great way to visualize the numbers when written in kanji, but do people really write with the commas like that? I have never seen it written that way. I know at least for prices they definitely follow the western way of putting commas after every three digits (check out amazon.co.jp for example).

@NathanDale3 Wait, what? I believe you ive just never heard this before. Now im gonna look like an idiot counting digits with my finger when i read

It might help if Duo remembered it as well. I answered "It is 11,100 yen." Duo accepted it, but complained that "You have an extra space." I checked... the only "extra" thing was the comma. This was indeed probably the problem, as Duo said the correct answer was "It is 11100 yen." without the comma. But... when you hover over the Japanese phrase, the hint is "11,100" ??? What's a poor boy to do?

Thank you! I was completely missing that information when everyone started posting numbers with different comma placements, which made learning from their comments much more confusing.

well i dont use commas in numbers anyways

Guys, I've seen a bit of confusion on reading 11100 yen, in English speaking countries, we would read this as <11,100> eleven thousand, one hundred yen. But in Japanese it would be literally read as <1,1100> ONE ten thousand (ICHI man), [a] thousand (sen) [a] hundred (hyaku) yen: いちまん せんひゃく円。

While in the west, it's usual for us to have a new word for units after every third place, as in first we have ones, tens, hundreds; thousands, ten thousands, hundred thousands; millions. In Japan it is after every fourth place, 一、十、百、千；　一万、十万、百万、千万; 　一億　「いちおく」.

I don't know if this will help anyone, but there is a Western word for 「万」, it's just not used very often (at least, not literally). It's a "myriad". So if you wanted, you could think of 「一万千百」 as "one myriad, one thousand, and one hundred". (I doubt Duo would accept that, though.)

Oh my goodness, this is so helpful! Thank you.

Although technically, there is a word for each power of ten in between the ten-to-the-third powers, it is just not well known. I think it was deca-, hecta-, kilo-, etc., but I forget what they were exactly...

Going into the negative powers, there are more common non-power-of-10-to-the-3 words, like decimeter, centimeter, milimeter, etc.

This reminded me of the Counting video that uses GT as base for a song, mentioning 一 (one)、十 (ten) 、百 (hundred)、千 (thousand)、一万 (ten thousand)、十万 (hundred thousand)、百万 (million) 、一千万 (ten million)、一億 (hundred million)、十億 (billion)、百億 (ten billion)、一千億 (hundred billion)、一兆 (one trillion)、十兆 (ten trillion) and 百兆 (hundred trillion). Has helped me a bunch and I found it cute, so I'll put it here just in case: https://youtu.be/AiosKUO7oqo

But 円 can mean "circle" too right? (・・;)

Yes. Not paper money is circular, and probably they just was calling money as "circles"

I believe the word was being used before paper money existed, so 円 was probably used to refer to circular coins.

"Not paper money?" Do you mean metallic money? Coins?

They probably meant "non-paper money", which would be coins.

"円" is only for yen, Japanese currency. What called "dollar" is ドル, a loan word in Japanese. Besides, the reason why the word "えん" is transliterated to "yen" but not "en" might be because the word "en" has existed in many European languages, and in some languages the pronunciation is different from Japanese "えん".

I heard that it's in part due to the fact that Japanese used to have an "official" "ye" sound, though now it doesn't, although 円 is still pronounced more like "yen" than "en" when proceeded by certain numbers, and probably depending on dialect, afaik

It's actually because the Portuguese who first came to Japan found a 1 yen coin and asked them what it was. By this point the Portuguese had already figured out "ichi" meant "one". The Japanese replied with "ichi-en". However if you say that aloud it kind of sounds like "ichi-yen" because of the "ie", so they thought the currency was called yen instead of en

Sounds implausible. Citation needed.

Does anyone know why google translate might interpret this as

"It is 10 thousand yen"

?

I mean I know GT is not perfect, but you would think that when it comes to numbers it should be fairly straightforward and logical to work it out? Or am I underestimating the complexity of Japanese counting system?

If you reverse translate it after it says "it is 10 thousand yen", it gives you 一万円, so there must be some kind of bug going from Japanese to English. I tried some other numbers, and those also came out with the wrong English translation.

It's still happening, 10 months later.
Edit: when you put the correct English translation, it uses 11万円.

That's some expensive meat

So this sentance literally means "[It] is 1 ten thousand [plus a] thousand [plus a] 1 hundred" with the one being an indicator of the ten thousands place, correct?

Yes, that's exactly it.

pain to calculate

「一万千百円です」

【いちまん・せん・ひゃく・えんです】

Why is 11100¥ incorrect?? I meen it's written (in full sentence) and said in that order.

Because it's looking for a full sentence as the answer. In Japanese, "desu" makes the statement a full sentence, so it's not really saying "11,100¥", it's saying "IT IS 11,100¥". Your answer would work only if the example didn't have "desu" on the end.

In the choosing word boxes exercises "11100 Yen" worked perfectly fine though.

￥ is like a dollar sign, it comes before the number.

11, 100 ¥ = 102 \$

Why is it that we didn't have to add the 一 for 千百 (1100) but we did have to add 一 although only for the largest one for 一万千百 (11100)?

Memorize these rules, though I don't know the reason either: 100 is 百, 1000 is 千, but 10000 is 一万, 1000 million is 一億（いち・おく）, and for larger digits 一 is always needed.

Since the counting begins with 10,000 again, 一 is used before 万.

一万 10,000, 十万 100,000, 百万 1,000,000 千万 10,000,000.

Same with 億.

一億 100,000,000, 十億 1,000,000,000, 百億 10,000,000,000　千億 100,000,000,000.

So would it make more sense, if only for memorization, to write it 1,0000 for ten thousand and 1,0000,0000 for a hundred million?

At a complete guess, maybe it's like in English you can say either one thousand or a thousand?

No, it is wrong to write 万 without 一. In English you can write "one thousand" or "thousand", but not in Japanese. In Japanese every four zeros you kinda like "reset" counting I quote Aki-kun in comment above: "Since the counting begins with 10,000 again, 一 is used before 万.

一万 10,000, 十万 100,000, 百万 1,000,000 千万 10,000,000.

Same with 億.

一億 100,000,000, 十億 1,000,000,000, 百億 10,000,000,000　千億 100,000,000,000."

Isn't 千 pronounced いっせん for numbers greater than 万？

いっせん is just specifically saying one-thousand it seems, it's written as 一千 in that case. This is mostly just to point it out to make it easier, but it's not a hard rule, but it'd be clearer to say issen. http://quest-for-japan.com/others/large-numbers-in-japanese/ this has a bit more information on the usage of issen and other number variations.

I don't know if this could help anybody but when I always see Japanese numbers around hundreds, thousands and etc I'm terrified so I help myself to not get lost in it by getting from a back

11100 円, so I start with 100, then 1000 and 10000, I don't know why but I have problems to do it from right to left but it's easier to put these big numbers together from left side for me And it works for translation to both sides

Isnt this wrong? Im really lost.

一円 : I have one yen.

一万円: I have a 10,000 yen bill.

一万千円: I have a 10,000 yen bill, and I also have a 1,000 yen bill.

一万千百円: I have a 10,000 bill, a 1,000 yen bill, and a 100 yen bill.

Add it all together and you get 11,100 yen.

Mathematically it sounds like this:

I have One (一) of 10,000 (万)

plus 1,000 (千) ,

plus 100 (百)

equals 11,100 (一万千百).

Add the currency yen at the end (円) and you get 一万千百円.

Or

1 ( 10,000 + 1,000 + 100) = 11,100

So it's almost like you're opening your wallet and saying how much of each bill you have. In the West, we add numbers together as we go. In Japanese, it's almost like their visualizing and listing what they have.

Japanese: I see a blue, and I see a red.

Western: I see purple.

Anyway, I'm not really fluent. Just something that helps me read it better.

I hope that helps you.

百万 you multiply. but 万百 you add. so do you always multiple when the smaller denominator is in front and always add when the smaller denominator is behind?

Yes, you've got it. It's the same as in English.

one hundred thousand = 100 x 1,000 = 100,000

one thousand one hundred = 1,000 + 100 = 1,100

In Japanese:

百万 (hyaku man) = 100 x 10,000 = 1,000,000

一万百 (ichi man hyaku) = 10,000 + 100 = 10,100

Hi, I am a native Chinese speaker so I understand the number system but why is 一 only in front of 万? In Chinese it would be 一万一千一百, using a 一 fof every place value

Why "This is 11100 yen" is wrong?

I think because there's no "this" in the Japanese sentence. I get that kind of small detail wrong all the time.

"This is 11,100 yen" would be "これは一万千百円です".

Oh, thank you, I should've seen that Though would it be right to say something like: - それは何ですか - 一万千百円です

I know it would be kinda hard to get it to work correctly within this app, but I really wish they didn't give us 11,000 as a single word/item. Make me actually have to read the numbers lol!

Doesn't really help to teach the number system when there is only one number choice

So it told me the awnser was '¥ 11100'. I think its a little unfair to suddenly only accept the awnser if you've included ¥, when everything else has been with the word 'yen'. I know why youve done it, I just don't think its a fair penalisation.

How is 百 pronounced in this sentence?

Should be pronounced as "hyaku".

My answer was "It is 110,000 yen" and it was correct. Must be a glitch. Or is that answer also acceptable?

It's a glitch. Being one "letter" off can be counted as a typo, so it may have counted your one number off as a typo.

I SOLIDLY, am struggling with this concept of writing numbers. Are we stacking them? 1+10=11 11+100 = 111 111+1000 = 1110 etc??

十一 --> 11 三十 --> 30 五十五 --> 55 百十 --> 110
一万 and 一億 (1,0000 and 1,0000,0000) are the only numbers that need 一 (1) in front of them.

You're missing 千 (sen), which is 1,000.

Why did it not accept the English of the number typed out?

I answered いちまんせんひゃくえんです and get wrong, but I can't report because in this kind of question there's no "my answer should be accepted".

'It is 11100 yen' marked incorrectly (for omitted comma)... a bit annoying

Why is the answer they'll be back in an hour

If 万 is 10,000 and 千 is 1,000 why does 一 need to be at the front? 10,000 + 1,000 already equals 11,000 so I'm not understanding why it's written like 1(10,000) + 1,000

In English, we say "it's one thousand yen" or "it's a thousand yen", and if someone said "it's thousand yen", it would sound strange to us. We have this required "one" or "a" starting from units of 100 (one hundred, one thousand, one million). In Japanese, they have a similar rule starting from 10,000. We have to say 一万円 (ichi man en) for 10,000, and if someone just says "man en" it sounds strange.

I heard "Ichi man sen haku en des." So hyaku can be read haku and Yen as en?

Shouldn't the translation be 一万一千百円です？

'It is 11100 yen' is marked incorrect. Is the 'coma' (,) needed?

For Brazilians: HYAKU é cem e 100 é mil kk

一万千百円です

いちまんせんひゃくえんです

Echi man sen hyaku en desu

(RayyanSheh1, you have a typo in the romaji: ichi. If you're able to edit your comment, let me know and I'll delete this comment.)

Im starting to believe that ALL Japanese finances are actually represented in binary.

My answer was rejected because I didn't put a comma... -.-

I am French but Japanese is not available from the French. I got wrong because I answered 'It is 11100 yens'. It shouldn't count English errors!

My brain wasn't working so I wrote "It is one million one thousand and one hundred yen" instead of 11100 wwww

Audio is missing in many lessons

this was my answer (with comma) and it was marked incorrect

Why "It's 11100 yen" is wrong?

My answer: It is 11,100 yen.

Correct solution: 一万千百円です。 Meaning: It is 11,100 yen.

Am I stupid or is duolingo high? why am I getting this wrong?

why not 十一万百円です?

万 = 10,000

十一万 = 110,000

Actually what it says is "it is one-ten-thousand (一万), a thousand (千), a hundred (百) yen"

In English, numbers are organised into groups of threes with the repeating parts being hundreds, tens and "units". The "units" part is whatever you're counting, lots of thousands, lots of millions, lots of billions etc. We put the commas in between lots of threes because that's where the pattern of speech is. "blah hundred and blah-ty blah ____"

e.g. 987, 654, 321 yen 9 hundred and 8-ty 7 million, 6 hundred and 5-ty 4 thousand, 3 hundred and 2-ty 1 yen

Japanese (and other Chinese influenced languages) group numbers in 4s, with thousands 千(sen), hundreds 百(hyaku), tens 十(juu) and "units" being the repeating part. The units are whatever your counting, ten thousands 万 (man) and hundred-millions 億(oku). "blah sen千, blah hyaku百, blah juu十, blah (units)"

So the same number from above would be organised this way 9,8765,4321 (0千0百0十) 9億 8千７百6十5万 4千3百2十1yen

Although my answer is correct but at this point I'm just doing the guess work...somebody really needs to explain these in clear, simple terms... ugh..

Oh,it isn't clear to me ...

HELP IT IS BEING THROWN AT ME SO FAST~

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God my dyscalculia hits me hard when it comes to 万