"電車ではたちます。"
Translation:I stand in the train.
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Just because you say it doesn't make it correct ; )
FYI, it's "in" the car, but "on" the bus or train.
you also don't stand in cars, not if you plan on keeping your head on your shoulders.
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How is that better? You don't stand on the train if it's enclosed. You're inside it. Standing ON a train only happens in movies
No That would be on top of If you take a train you are on it Unless you specify the car: In the first, last car but that can be on as well So you do stand (while, when) on the train IMHO
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You make a good point @vandawilso1 I agree with you, although I also believe saying I'm inside the train isn't necessarily wrong.
I agree that grammar is descriptive of common usage not prescriptive in rules to follow so No it's not wrong after all you are in/inside the train we just express it that way (Not this one but there are still some usage that just annoy me)
That's not how it's said in English. In England anyway. On the bus, on the train, on the plane. Probably because you have to board (get ON board) those vehicles. Where as you just enter a car, so you get IN it.
"I stand on/in the train" is rarely used as a sentence. Just, I'm on the train, would be more common.
Yes so I take the point of specifying stand is that you don't get a seat As usual the invisible context is everything
Yes, you can say "電車で立ちます", but the meaning of the sentence would change slightly. If you say it without the は particle, you are informing that "(someone) stand in the train". The topic is that someone. With the は particle, the topic changes to the state inside the train. "As for when (someone) is in the train, (someone) stand up."
I think that's the best explanation I can give, for now. Sorry if it confuses you more instead.
I think the problem Duolingo has with "stand up" is that it implies taking the action of standing up from a sitting position.
I.e. the sentence たってください translates as "Please stand up" because you wouldn't ask unless they weren't already however it's unlikely you would be sitting in the train and then stand up if you were saying 電車ではたちます.
Yes. The は simply indicates that "on the train"/"on a train"/"on trains" is the topic of the sentence.
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The proposition "on" is preferable when you are dealing with vehicles you board on (trains, planes, ships, buses), but it's possible to use "in" when it's needed to emphasise the fact that one is inside a vehicle -- "I wasn't caught by the rain because I was in the bus" -- or to avoid ambiguities.
i use on a plane, on a bus, and on a bike, but in a train, in a car, and in a subway. if you said "on a train" i'd think you were on top of it, but maybe that's just my dialect
kanji are difficult.... i was very surprised when i thought this said "electricity", and then it made sense when i found out i was wrong.
Man i went too fast and thought it said で はたち which made me very confused and didnt realize は was a particle
Wow my comment got cut... but at the end i said "this is why i like kanji"
Although "I stand on the train" is accepted " on the train, I stand" is much closer to the japanese use of では marking the topic
I don't think that sentence has ever been said in spoken English, so it's not very natural sounding. But, technically, it is correct.
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Theorically it is possible but it is practically too ambiguous. It is better to add clarity
e.g. 電車では旅（たび）にたちます By train, I start a journey.
電車では新宿（しんじゅく）をたつ By train, I leave for Shinjuku.
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電車では立ちます was not accepted. Three times in the same lessons the kanji was not accepted, but it was suggested as an answer in other questions. Why so much inconsistency?
It has to be, "I stand in the train car." Or, "On the train I stand." The original meaning of 'in the train' would be as in, "The car(riage)s and caboose are in the engine's train." That's how the vehicle came in to be called a train, in a modern concrete sense rather than the original abstract one.
Doesn't the は here imply a comparison? Like, instead of "I stand in the train," shouldn't it be more like "when I'm on the train (as opposed to other places), I stand"?
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Because the straight translation of "when I am on the train" is 電車にいる時. While it conveys the meaning, it confuses the Duolingo's marking system.
The は in では or には has the sole function of predicating its term to the verb. The stand-alone は doesn't imply a comparison to other places either. That would be "電車の方では立ちます。"
"電車の方が良い。" = The train [as opposed to other things] is better. ~= "電車がより良い。" (More like yet/even better?) These never use は but always が.
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は does imply comparison. In the most basic form, it is used in pairs.
パンは食べるけど、ご飯は食べない。
バスでは立たないけど、電車では立つ。
テーブルは部屋にはないけど、リビングにはある。
It is unnatural to remove the contrastive は in these sentences. We can add の方 to these sentenses, but it just work as emphasis.
If we remove half of the sentences from each of the above, the は becomes "standalone" just like the example. But always remember it is because there is another half getting omitted in case of context being clear.
The most natural use of の方 is の方がいい or のほうが好き as in your example. It is to express preferences (coupling with いい、わるい、好き、嫌い、ほしい etc.).
- パンとご飯の中で、どちらが好きですか
- ご飯の方が好きです。
The comparison is clearly with けど in your examples. There is no other half necessarily getting omitted. のほう is used with anything, not just preferences (…の方が大きい・小さい、…の方が高い・安い、．．．). Why take it so far? This is silly.
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は…が/けど…は is the sentence that is used for comparison. We cannot just say けど is for comparison. The whole sentence srructure does. So I just want to say は is indeed used for comparison R.f. https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/172815/meaning/m1u/%E3%81%AF/ point 2.
電車の方で立ちます sounds unnatural to me, with my 20 years of Japanese research study.
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It is not wrong. It is just selecting the train as a topic where you use the は (for comparison for example.)
e.g. バスで座りますが、電車では立ちます。
