Duolingo Hungarian course is more difficult than it needs to be.
I'm very happy and grateful the course has been created. Hungarian is unlike any other European language and it's difficult to remember sentences that no beginner would ever say e.g. "cars do not often fly above the city" or "There are three Greek engineers walking outside". Az autók gyakran nem repülnek a város felett. Három görög mérnök fut ki. Unlike the other courses which start with simple present tense "I read the newspaper" or "He eats an apple" "Bread and cheese" "They drink milk" and add more as we get near the bottom of the tree. Does anybody know another easier course I could try, or how to pass these suggestions onto the creators?
I agree, I have managed to stick with it and I'm on a 334 day streak as I write but it has been hard work, and yes I do know a few people who have unfortunately given up, mainly because they have felt it a waste of time translating long nonsensical sentences with övönő's flying all over the place. It does seem as though the creators are having some fun at our expense, although I'm still living in hope that one day someone will step in and sort through some of this rubbish. Having said all that, I am still feeling some benefit from the course, and still aiming for that golden tree. Perhaps just to spite them :)
Yeah, I feel the same. I'm not going to give up, but I did give up on my idea of just using Duo to learn a language. It was supposed to be a test, but this is not the tree for that test. And as I go, I'll be reporting all the sentences that are too long for a beginner (it's ok to have longer sentences closer to the end of the tree, though). I don't mind the nonsense on Duolingo, I actually like it a lot, though I dislike the ovonő since kindergarten teacher is such a long word :D
I checked the contributors' profile and half of them do not use the course. The other half is on a low level. Here is the result when people do not check the quality of their work. I am a native Hungarian speaker and this is my second time trying to complete the tree. I am already bored with it again.
I've been commenting on (and reporting) the sentences when they are too long and complicated (just yesterday in the animals skill there was a sentence about striped animals in the zoo that had a list of animals in it and was at least three lines long), but I can't find any of those sentences in the discussions and haven't had any notifications about my report being accepted. So maybe they were removed or changed. But that means there are skills that don't really have any of the original sentences in them.
Thanks yes. I will start doing the same. Perhaps if more of us report the long, irrelevant and complicated sentences on each lesson it will encourage them to improve to be closer to that of the other courses.
I whole heartily agree with these comments. As Hungarian is such a hard language to learn the developers should use a more simplified approach. I live in Hungary and show many of my Hungarian friends some of the sentences and even they are confused as to what is trying to be said/taught.
I often report sentences as being incorrect, and I receive regular (even up until last week) emails saying if my alternative solution has been accepted or not.
And one final thing, I don't think I will ever, ever use ovonő in daily conversations for as long as I live here.
I love the long sentences. I feel that it is a proper grown up course taking full advantage of the duolingo format doing an excellent job of teaching a very different language to English speakers.
But they do need to sort out the English sentences many of which are unnatural or just plain wrong. and they need to add many more alternative sentences. I have had many reports accepted but they don't seem to have reached the final section yet and it is getting more and more ridiculous the closer to the end I get. But it is a great course, or at least will be with a bit more work.
that's how i feel about it. I did it for a few weeks but then i felt like they were..... over complicating things.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one! Hungarian is the first and only language that I gave up on before finishing the tree and I still feel bad about it many months later.
Me too. I'm on the verge of giving up. My Hungarian inlaws came over and I couldn't think of anything I could use to communicate with except basic greetings and I'm on level 13. Flying cars and short Hungarian tourists came to mind but were useless.
The team is working on the course! As I went through the lessons, I reported the mistakes and suggested the alternative translations. Last few weeks I have been getting feedback from the team, an e-mail saying that they accepted my suggestions. I agree that the sentences should be short and simple. It would be easier also for the developers to handle the short sentences, they wouldn't need thousands of translations. And it would be less frustrating for us, too. I finished the course a month ago and my feeling is that I learned a lot from it. I started today the English course for Hungarians (thank you, bajczand, for the idea!). I hope to practice with my Hungarian relatives this summer :)
The only way I can think of now is to post on the Weekly Incubator Update and maybe they'd see it. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/23242958
So far in Hungarian I am still working on the first skill, so I haven't run into those sentences yet. So far I can remember the sounds but not how to spell them.
I made a longer comment there right now. But I have my doubts if it will have an effect.
That's a good tip. Thanks. I think I will report each overcomplicated sentence in the reports box under the lesson. If many of us do the same suggestion it might encourage them to simplify for the future.
The people who were originally writing the Hungarian course, were using a book, so the skills were from chapters in that book. That would explain some of it, I suppose.
I would have preferred they'd used other Duolingo courses as a guide. I see you've sampled many of them. :)
Maybe until one or two months ago, there was the possibility to write a comment, if you reported a sentence. I used that a lot of times writing "too long sentence!". The only thing, that happened: Duolingo took away the possibility of commenting.
I really have my doubts if anyone of the responsible persons is able to understand that problem.
I could still report them a week ago, but then I got the new site and that option is gone.
Try the English course for Hungarians. There are short and simply sentences. It is great for beginners. That course runs live since two years, there are already no mistakes.
I gave up on the course about 10 months ago and went on to other courses, and other methods. Then I came back to it so far just using the strengthening function because I hadn't studied for a while. It is ok for that use but I still can't understand why the writers would put so much effort into teaching so much useless gibberish.. During the time I was using the course I was repeatedly reminded that it was in beta and I should have understood that. Well here we are almost a year later and it just hasn't improved to where I would use it for new learning or recommend it to anyone else. This is my only experience with Duolingo.
I am also grateful for the Duolingo Hungarian course, but really guys, it is over the top difficult and extremely unnecessarily confusing. Why would you need to learn 'I sneeze where you sneeze' in the first few weeks of learning a new language? I just showed it to my Hungarian husband and he can't believe it. Hungarian is notoriously difficult language, why are you making it harder? Why are you making sentences that don't make any sense? In the same category in German the beginner verbs are 'you drink water' - a little more useful and beginner friendly I think. I apologies if I sound angry, I never write on these things, if I do, it's positive, I am just so sad, because I love Duolingo and I really want to learn Hungarian. I really hope that the course has improved when it comes out of frozen beta, with a totally different learning plan and structure. It's almost like it's designed for intermediate Hungarian learns, not beginners. The German for English speakers is Excellent, the structure/ categories are spot on, perhaps copy that exactly if possible? Best of Luck guys, I really hope that you manage to hold up duolingo brand which before this, was flawless. Yes I understand it is in Beta, so as I said before, I really hope there is a massive redesign been done behind the scenes, if I could help I would, but I am absolutely terrible at languages, hence I use wonderful duolingo! :)
Tienes razón. A mi también me está costanto un poco aprender húngaro.
I have finished the course some months ago, but I keep redoing it, So I must admit that the contributors did improve the lessons and made them more simple, though not all of them. I can see more useful phrases and less too complicated.
Another source of the difficulty - too many new words packed in one skill/lesson, perhaps it would be better just to make more skills
I remember hearing that the developers weren't even working on it, and it was frozen in beta. Is this correct?
They posted an update 5 days ago. https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/hu/en/status
Thanks. I heard this like a month ago, so I guess things have changed since then.
The Hungarian course is certainly not among the easiest ones on Duolingo. I had no idea how complicated it would be when I started it. The exceedingly long sentences do make it a bit hard for me to progress as quickly as I do in other courses but I don't mind the slow pace now. And the fact that Finnish isn't available yet makes it all the more difficult to stop learning Hungarian. XD
Since you are also looking for an easier tree, may I suggest you the Turkish course, assuming you don't speak it already? The language is as unrelated to the Indo-European language family as Hungarian is and has plenty of amazing grammatical features, a few of which might seem too alien initially but are nevertheless simple and regular. The vocabulary is pretty easy to grasp as well. And most importantly, the course has been laid out in an excellent way. So if you want to try a less difficult and better-structured course, do consider the Turkish one an option. Happy learning!