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No accent now not accepted?

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I'm currently doing Verbs:-Past-Perfect/2 and have been pinged 3 times now for no accents/inflections (I'm a bit lazy with accents as it means picking up the mouse :) This has never happened before, and it is not happening every time. Is it a glitch or is DL in the process of making accents compulsory?

* UPDATE ***

To all those lazy with accents like me no need to worry. Luis tells us that this was a bug which has been fixed, so hopefully DL goes back to telling us off for not using accents, but not taking away our hearts. Cheers all.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Luis
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Ok, this is not on purpose. It's a bug that was fixed just now. Let us know if you experience it again.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idshanks
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Have to say, I'd love a strictness mode which doesn't let me get away with typos or absent accents/umlauts. I get that many people don't want it, but I can't see why it shouldn't at least be an option. Messing up because of a typo or a minor misspelling can be frustrating, certainly, but I'd rather be frustrated and improve than risk breezing through with a collection of acceptable errors that I'm allowed to get away with.

If you're listening, Duo-deities, and there's a test group going on, do feel free to stick me in it! :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jurekcy1

Accents ARE important, and from the beginning Duo should be strict here. You should from the very first lesson be taught that "esta" and "está" are different words. If not you will be lost later with "hablo" and "habló" etc.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LukeHoltom
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Accents importance varies from language to language. Lots of English words have accents and almost nobody cares about those. Over all I don't see why they'd make them compulsory, as a setting it makes sense but if they make them compulsory a lot of people will just get discouraged and give up.

Further more if someone is only trying to learn the language to get by on vacation or only cares about speaking it verbally they really don't matter.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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@LukeHoltom,

I believe it was a glitch, considering Luis comment.

When approaching how Duolingo has structured the website however, it is important to keep in mind that vacationers are not Duolingo's main target audience. Rather, it is people who are using this website to better their work situation. Speaking correctly in an interview where language is part of your work duties is very important. Now, having said that, my impression from Luis' comment is that it was a glitch.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeeShipley

I don't think anyone disagrees that accents aren't important in any language but the time you take to put them in when you haven't got a language specific keyboard is a real issue when doing timed practice. Personally I love the timed practice because it forces me to think at the speed I will need to hold general conversation and am willing to forego the accuracy so that I can gain some fluency.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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@LeeShipley, if you don't have one of those keyboards installed, users have created a step by step guide for how to install them. There are two keyboard related guides here: http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Duolingo_Wiki#Getting_Help I can never recall which is which. But if you just click on both you'll find it. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeeShipley

Much appreciated. I also found another method suggested by Laura Lawless at http://french.about.com/od/writing/ss/typeaccents_2.htm ¨For US English keyboard users, the international keyboard (which is not a physical keyboard, but rather a simple Control Panel setting) is the easiest and most convenient method for typing French accents because it maintains the QWERTY layout, with just a few changes and additions: To type accent grave (à, è, etc), type ` (to the left of 1) then the vowel. Accent aigu (é), type ' (single quote) then e. Cédille (ç), type ' then c. Circonflexe (ê), type ^ (shift + 6) then e. Tréma (ö), type " (shift + ') then o. To type French quotation marks « » use ctrl + alt + [ and ], respectively.¨ It works a little better for me because I have absolutely no sense of the French keyboard layouts and can't get use to my normal touch typing qwerty being changed yet again--it is bad enough with the variations between the manufacturers.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DeanG6
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I just installed a keyboard for Spanish. It's easy! Just go in the PC Control Panel (as @LeeShipley said) and you can set your keyboard for any language. Now I can type spanish characters keeping my fingers on the keyboard. (¡!¿?áéíóúüñ) I followed these instructions, and saved a copy of the keyboard layout image for easy reference -- http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/100808/how-to-type-spanish-letters-and-accents-#.UzbbKaIxY5u

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/inkybaba
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They help us know whether or not our father is 47 years old or if our potato has 47 anuses

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/N5Acc

That’s a tilda on ñ

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
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100% agree idshanks. A casual and a strict marking system would be good. The thing with the "gamified" learning system is you find yourself wanting to complete the game. It would therefore be good if, like a game, when you do finish it on "normal" settings you could go back and do it again on "hard". When Duo just used the "pay attention to accents" warning it was kind of like a "normal" setting as it showed you the error but did not penalize you. If they do change to a stricter marking system then effectively there will only be one difficulty setting.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AbraxunsIllusion

I agree, you just get too lazy when it accepts the absence of accents (Lol, the three a's or something). It's great practice for the real world, if Duolingo put more strictness on their system.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sharkmom

Maybe there needs to be an option. I have no intention of ever writing Spanish. I only want to be able to speak and understand it, so I don't really need the accents, as long as I know where they go.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SenorDustin

I agree. I have to keep myself to that standard most of the time and I would like a "drill sargent owl" option that is harder on spelling and accents, as well as punctuation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CattleRustler

I hope they are not taking hearts away for accents, that would stink.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rspreng

I agree. If one's emphasis is on conversation the important element is saying the word correctly. El is the same pronunciation with and without an accent.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jurekcy1

You may be right with "el" but in most cases the pronunciation is different. That's why accents are for.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quefaselbotch

Yes, but just a bit different, the el=him it's very short sound, and the el=the it's a bit longer sound, like the si = yes it's very short and the si=if it's just longer sound, all the past verbs on the preterito tenses ,the stress is at the end of the word,without them you could change the meaning completely ,trabajo, is work or, I work , but if you put the stress on the final O you will say that the third person him or her did worked, I understand it can be a pain but they are essential in the Spanish grammar, and they are not mind readers, sorry.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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UPDATE: See Luis' comment

jellonz, is the word showing up in red only, or are they taking away a heart as well? The word is only in red font for me (no heart loss) at the moment.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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It happened to me for the first time just now. I lazily typed inversion when it should have been inversión. It got turned red and I lost a heart. Usually it turns red and I get a warning.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Soolrak
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Same here!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Looks like it isn't a Test group. See Luis comment.

In the meantime, here is a guide that can walk you through how to change your keyboard settings to include accent marks and special characters: http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Duolingo_Wiki#Getting_Help I hope this helps!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gergoo

strange, it accepted with a notification in a practice for the first time, but after for two other questions it took away the hearts.. if Luis reading this, this is a dealbreaker....

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
jellonz
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Hi Usagiboy. Yep, losing a heart. I've always received the "pay attention to accents" before but never lost hearts for it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Turtle492
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I've had this problem too, starting today. It's a bit annoying when on one question it just tells you that you missed the accent, but on the next it takes a heart away. I don't mind so much when I'm doing a lesson because I have time to put in the accents (and I really I ought to learn them), but I hope it doesn't start doing it on the timed practice.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MikeLovell

I've noticed this, if it continues it could be incredibly irritating. I lose enough hearts for stupid mistakes as it is.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/egfinn
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Just yesterday I lost a heart for an accent for the first time. I sometimes omit it if I'm not entirely certain which letter gets it, if I'm on my work computer which is more difficult to type accents than my home computer, or if I'm doing timed practice and need to type something quickly. I usually just get the red text for missing the accent. I do not think it was a word that would have been a real Spanish word without the accent.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vietnam
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Actually there are keyboard shortcuts for all the accents, so you don't need to use the mouse, or lose time. The acute accent is simply (on a Mac) Option+e … so é, is simply Option+e followed by e. Then the tilde ~ is Option+n, so ñ is Option+n followed by n. That is quick and simple. And once you start to do it, you become really quick. I actually created my own shortcut for ¿, which is Shift+Option+?. To get accents on the iPhone you simply hold that letter down for a moment and all the accented options appear. It really is worth getting into the habit.

The advantage is that if you do need to work in Spanish, or send emails, there will always be some people who need to copy and paste into Google Translate to understand what you have written. if you don't include the accents, then it will affect the translation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
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Hi vietnam. On windows the method for reproducing letters with accents is to hold down Alt and enter a 3 digit code on the num pad, which makes reaching for the mouse and clicking on DL's provided letters easy by comparison. Remapping is an option, but for most people not worth the hassle. Good point re the translations though, and of course you are right we should all try and get in the habit of using accents.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DeanG6
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In windows it's easy to change your keyboard in the Control Panel so that typing Spanish characters is just as fast as typing any normal letter. To type an accented vowel, for example, type ' then a/e/i/o/u. Takes no time at all. Go into Control Panel > Clock/Language/Region > Regional Language Options > Keyboards and Languages > Change Keyboards > Add > Choose Language > OK. This webpage has an image of the Spanish keyboard layout. http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/100808/how-to-type-spanish-letters-and-accents-#.Uzbg16IxY5v

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
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Thanks Dean. Retraining my brain and fingers to the new layout for the little things like hyphen, quotation marks etc. would probably be troublesome after their placement on the keyboard has been so ingrained in my brain. Definitely an option though. Cheers.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DeanG6
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I know what you mean. I wasn't too pleased with the prospect of having to relearn how to type '?', -, etc. But since my last post I've learned of a better solution that minimizes this relearning. Instead of installing a language-specific keyboard (say, for Spanish), you install the United States International keyboard (United Kingdom Extended may work too -- I have not tried it). This keyboard retains all keystrokes of a standard US keyboard (except for ', ", and ~ [which are the same except for a few minor nuances that are easy to cope with once you know how]). Special characters are typed by simply shifting with the Alt Key. If you only want to type special characters when doing language study, and use the standard US layout for other tasks, it's easy to switch back and forth between keyboards by simply clicking on an icon in the taskbar. http://www8.cs.umu.se/~hegner/Misc/Windowskb/

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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I wish there was a way to get English for Spanish speakers to care about accents. It doesn't give a warning or even put up an "Otra solución correcta" message with the correct accents showing.

Screen shot showing all the wrong accents with no error message at all

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aantos

It ought to be personal settings to choose whether DL cares about accents both in the spoken or the learnt language. Both settings have their advantages.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevingonzalez9

wow que falso -.- (Fake)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quefaselbotch

Tu respuesta es impresionante, seven out of seven but all wrong ,sorry

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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11 wrong. "járdin" has two errors.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dr.Beez
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If the word without an accent is also a valid Spanish word, you will often lose a heart. Otherwise you just get a warning, in my experience (on the Android app anyway), but you don't lose a heart.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/molodan
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I've also been losing hearts for lack of accents, but not consistently and only in listening exercises.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sharkmom

I've had it happen twice - once last night and once today. I hope it's just a glitch. Even if you know the accent is supposed to be there, it breaks up your train of thought, and your typing, to have to go down and select a punctuation mark.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luis
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Can you tell us if this is still happening? We can't reproduce it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
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Hi Luis. Redid the lesson just now and got through without losing hearts for no accents. Had 4 questions that required accents in the written answer and only received the "pay attention to accents" warning for each. One of these, beginning "tu habias", I had definitely lost a heart for yesterday for a lack of accent marks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wynrich
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It happened to me twice yesterday and once today around 2:00 pm MDT. The thing is it is inconsistent. Since I started getting dinged for leaving off accents yesterday (not just gently reminded) I've tried to be more careful but have missed a few that didn't cause me to lose a heart. But so far have 3 where it did mark it completely wrong for lack of an accent. I did report those 3 at the time.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aantos

For me, in Hungarian, it happened ~20 hours ago, but it accepts translations without accents in the latest ~14 hours. Thanks for the fix.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

Noooooo, I've become so used to being lazy about typing accents, especially in timed mode.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Equality7-2521
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It's not being lazy, it's being practical. Most of us are not learning a language to write a book, we want to speak it. The accents are superfluous.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

Then you'll be happy to know that accents determine how a word is pronounced and the meaning of a word. *not determine, show. Oral language > written language. http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/courses/accents.htm

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Equality7-2521
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Sure, they're important in the pronunciation, but that comes down to reading it. So long as DL has the accents when we read it, we know what it says. For those who want to speak a foreign language, accented letters when we write it are not important because we don't plan on writing it, we plan on speaking it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Equality7-2521
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I hope that doesn't happen. It could be the thing that drives me away. My only issue so far with DL is the stringent spelling rules. I've lost hearts for transposing i's and e's before.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kgkoon
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It is happening to me too. I don't mind it so much on non-timed lessons, but on the timed practices I lose too much time going back and forth from mouse to keyboard. I had been in the practice of skipping accent marks when on the timer.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/juliestarling

I disagree. I make mistakes, especially with typos and accents. I want a little leniency. A real teacher would at least give you half credit for such things, but Duolingo got rid of the half heart thing, which I liked. This is supposed to fun, people. Yes, we are learning, but if it gets too frustrating, it is easier to stop. The program should continue to accept that there are typos and we are learning accents, which are not used in English and take a while to get used to.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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In my school, making an accent mistake is one whole point of (in my French lessons).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

Yeah, it's this strict at my University as well. My language teachers have been the opposite on lenient with this because they really want people to understand how much accents do matter.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/abacaxi2

I'd rather get dinged for missing accents now than screw it up when it's really important. And I'm getting dinged a LOT because I've forgotten so much.

The accent changes the meaning of the word ... if become yes, for example.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jorma1998b

In my Spanish lessons, I'm skipping accent marks all the time, as well as dots, question marks, etc. and haven't had any problem whatsoever. In real life, I would be more strict, but there is a trend in America [the country], and is part of the assimilation process, to obviate accent marks, the mark on the ñ, etc. So that someone with the family name Niño would change it to Nino; It says it was a bug or glitch, but I think it is something permanent! we'll see.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
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Love a good conspiracy theory jorma, but I hope DL does not increase the strictness of their marking accents and punctuation marks. I accept the argument of many in this discussion that we should be learning the right way, but I fear that strict enforcement of that way would deter many from learning at all. As it stands the warning system lets you know you aren't exactly right but doesn't penalize you, which I think is a good medium ground to take.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jellonz
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Your point about assimilation is interesting too. I can see how people entering a different culture would want to fit in and accent marks could make them stand out as different. It raises an interesting point about pronunciation though, as the difference between "Niño" and "Nino" is significant. Even people unaccustomed to accent marks reading "Niño" could guess that the pronunciation would be different from "Nino", but if someone dropped the accent mark from their name I guess they would have to get used to being called the latter.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jorma1998b

As a Spanish teacher I take both approaches. The communicative one refers to get the message across, make the point, grasp the main ideas of the story; for native speakers, or students in Hispanic countries, they are required to observe the mechanics of writing, including accent marks, agreement in gender and number, memorization of patterns of conjugation for regular verbs [approximately 80 per each verb], memorization of conjugations of irregular verbs, and so on and so forth.
What DL could do, as a middle point policy, is introduce some lessons on accent marks, diptongos and phonetics halfway the 25 levels and emphasize the rules at that point. I have a hard time explaining high school students these topics -and most of them don’t want to learn about. I say phonetics because sounding the words and decoding properly the syllables is an initial step; then tell where the emphasis goes –in what syllable, and weather it takes the accent mark, is a second step. The diptongo thing is also tricky and requires practice.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quefaselbotch

If most of the students don't want to learn about this subject, what makes you think DL will do for them when the voice of the microphone has got the must selfish monotone sound with strong south American accent and no any emphasis of the words? DL is good for practice your self, but for teaching nothing better than a teacher.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quefaselbotch

The mark on top of the N it's call TILDE, don't forget the TILDE, if you say ano with the TILDE you will say year, if you say ano without it you will say the backside(bottom), it is very important to use them.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zamessina

good thats a good letter

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TawynaB
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I hate using my mouse as well, but I do put in accents for words that are different because of the accent él versus el, otherwise. .I'm lazy!! I think DL should make your word automatically place the accent in words that always have them like those that end in "ion" or is that asking for way too much LOL!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swhoffmann24

I appreciate the info on changing keyboard settings. I am doing Spanish on my iPad mini, so I haven't been doing the accents -- even regular punctuation requires me to go to the second keyboard screen. But I do see the importance. Any keyboard advice for my situation?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/juliestarling

On my iPad, I just touch and hold the letter and it gives me several options for accents and tilde for the n. Try that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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@swhoffmann24, I've never used an iPad mini, so I have no idea. I went in and changed the settings for my keyboard on my iPad2. But, even that makes me have to press and hold the key for an extra length of time for the other letter options to appear. So, I can only wish you luck and suggest checking youtube.

Good luck!

4 years ago