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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

What would be helpful

To start things off, I'm going to say this most likely will not be noticed but I'm just putting it out there. I feel that to get the best experience out of Duolingo, one should do the reverse tree of the language one might have finished. Therefore to get the practice of writing in that language. But, for many, they haven't gotten to the understanding of a language to do the reverse tree. I feel that to fix this problem of immersing yourself in only written text of that language and translating it to English is to make MORE exercises to writing from English to the language of ones choosing. Now, don't get me wrong, Duolingo does do this, but I have found that it is pretty rare. I might get ONE every lesson. Also another thing that would of been helpful in this is immersion, but since that is gone, this is a bigger problem. To end this off I would like to know if anyone would happen to know of a resource that could help me translate English to German. This is only my opinion and if you think otherwise I would like to know your side. :)

July 10, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/widle

I get a lot more translations to the target language now. It seems that Duo waits quite long until you know the easier direction well and only then starts adding the more difficult tasks.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Do both of the trees at the same time. Go slow, by this I mean stay at the lower levels until you fully understand. As far as translating English to German, see the other post started earlier this morning. I have written some English text and German text together, check it out. It's titled, Text based practice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

Thanks Tony. I coudn't help checking your profile. Seems you like Turtoises. Would it be too much trouble talking a bit a about them? (I am not a native English speaker) If not, it's totally fine.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

Yeah, I could, but on what? Duolingo? I could help you with your English. I'm posting on here because there is no messages anymore.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

Yes, if don't mind, in this very post would be fine. Although it's not the original topic, I think no one would complain.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

What is your native language? I named my profile after my tortoise, Tony, a few years back. My name is actually Jake, but you can call me Tony or whatever you want.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

My native language is Spanish. Yeah, I like your profile identity...Identifying with other animals is cool, it might create a link between that animal's "spirit" and the person...That's why I was curious about tortoises...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

Hola de nuevo. I didn't get your question. Impolite people tend to use those terms to address someone. I don't think Duo promotes this attitude, though. The bad is on the people who use those terms. Sorry for that.

Por cierto (btw)...¿Pudiste encontrar la canción? Ese artista es genial. (Could you found the song? That artist is great.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I'm learning, Spanish from German. Improving my German skills even more. I'm actually having to unlearn German. I think, I got some of the der, die, das things in my long term memory. If Duolingo had been available, back in 1986; that wouldn't have happened. It also looks, like Spanish will be fun.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I have just started learning, Spanish from German. Spanish looks like it will be pretty easy to learn, for me. There are only two direct articles, the nouns are easy to identify (due to the "o" in the masculine version and the "a" in the feminine version) The alphabet is similar to German and the pronunciation is pretty simple. Plus you have words like el Toro, mucho, gusto, par favor, nada (nothing), mucho, etc. I noticed, the Dulingo course has people insulting each other with sentences like: you are a dog, you are a pig, you are a horse. Is this a feature of the language, or is Dulingo just using it make sure people aren't guessing?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I never could get the song, I tried again. What country are you in? Are you learning both English and German, at this point in time? I was saying Spanish, looked like it would be easy for me.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

I am from Bolivia, South America. Yes, I'm learning English, portuguese, and German...I rate my fluency at 60%, 50%, and 5%, respectively. I'm glad you're learning spanish. Es un bonito idioma. Hope you have lot of fun learning it.
About the song, that's too bad. But don't worry, I guess good songs come and go, and even our taste in music might vary. So, never mind.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I have been helping a person, with his grammar today. I have written things, in English and German. All kind of advice on grammar. Check out the post, text based practice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

I'll do, thanks man...also, congratulations on your awesome achievements...25 level, both in German and English...You sir, must have practiced a mountain of time. Respect.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Thanks, I appreciate your comment.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

You're welcome. Btw, I cannot find that post, either(?)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

I can't seem to find the post. Exactly what is the name?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Text based practice. The guy in charge, was telling the person that started the post, to move it to the German sub forum. Check, it must be there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I can't find it either. How, do you get to the German sub forum?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

Click on the German flag circle thing on the right


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I don't know what happened to it. The person that I was helping wrote something, about copying it into PDF form. He might have copied it for his own use. I guess, he might have then deleted it. He was talking about some personal stuff.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

That happens...It's ok bro...btw...May I share this song completely out of the blue?....I've been listening to it all day long....wow...Hope you guys like it...Sorry if you don't...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

It said, song not available for download, in the U.S.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S_e_r_9_1_0

Strange thing....I can open it without problem...Sorry...the song is called "Over & Out", by Newton Faulkner...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

They probably have less English to German because it is harder. Duolingo is designed for people to have fun, not as an ideal language learning tool. Duolingo shouldn't be your primary resource if you're serious about learning a language.

I'd also prefer more English to German as well as requiring the gender and plural of all nouns, accusative and dative forms, irregular forms of verbs and adjectives and not accepting spelling mistakes. I could see a platform that did all that being the basis of learning a language. Since the the majority of people would rather pretend they are becoming an expert than actually be one, it wouldn't be very popular.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

Or maybe could have a choice, like have an option before doing a lesson. They could ask do you want the "Hard" version or the "easy" version.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

You already, have a choice. You work at your own pace. Go slow and learn each lesson thoroughly before moving on. Did you get a reverse tree set up? I see an American flag, you're now learning English from German, am I correct?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

Yes, I have the reverse tree setup.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jakobist

Also I didn't add this. I am almost done with my tree. The problem is I stopped around a year ago and didn't come back until a last month. I forgot most things so I have to go back redo all the lessons. I also didn't study grammar that much so I have to learn new things. I am over halfway there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

With your reverse tree, you should be set. Why did you stop, for a year? I would encourage you to complete your tree, then continue learning up to level 25. People set a goal of just completing the tree, you won't be very good at German; when you do that. Set a Goal to become fluent in the language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I have to disagree with you, drvdw. Duolingo is the best German learning resource, I have found. It is great, mainly because you get instant feedback if you make a mistake. It should be your primary resource, if you're really serious about learning a language. Plus it is free, how the heck can it be beat? I lived in Berlin, from 86 to 88, I immersed myself in the German language at that time. My goal was to become fluent in German. After two years, I was pretty good. I didn't consider myself fluent, when I left Berlin. I kept on learning though. But, learning German is tough for Americans. After almost thirty years, I still didn't consider myself fluent. In March of last year, I discovered Duolingo. Thanks to Duolingo, I now consider, myself fluent in German. My German is as good as my English today. See my post titled: Learning German on Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

Ich bin ein Amerikaner und habe auch habe zwei Jahre lang in Berlin gewohnt.
Ich denke, dass es wahrscheinlich einfacher ist, Deutsch zu learnen, wenn man ein englischsprachiger Mensch ist, da die Sprachen verwandt sind. Ich gebe zu, dass es nicht immer erforderlich ist, Deutsch zu koennen, weil viele Deutsche Englisch koennen.

Meiner Meinung nach ist Text und Bücherlesung mit einem Wörterbuch und Flash-Karten produktivste. Man muss auch echte Unterhaltungen ausüben, um sprechen zu koennen. Ich erhalte es aufrecht, dass Duolingo nur ein Spiel ist.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Was haben Sie in Berlin getan? Waren Sie ein Soldat? Sie schreiben sehr gut Dueutsch fur ein Amerikaner. Wie haben Sie Deutsch, so gut gelernt? Man kann nicht echte Unterhaltungen ausuben, wann er in Amerika gewohnt. Die Aussprache ist danach, sehr schwer zu lernen.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

In English, I wrote: What did you do in Berlin. Were you a soldier? You write very good German, for an American. How did you learn German so well? A person cannot practice, real world conversation when they live in America. The pronunciation is, therefore very hard to learn.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

Ich war in einem Sprachkurs und danach eine Zeit lang ein Student eines Masterstudiengangs. Ich denke, dass es Moeglichkeiten in den USA gibt, Deutsch zu sprechen. Es kann ortsabhängig Stammtische geben. Sonst koennte man einen Tandempartner finden, mit dem man an Skype sprechen koennte.

I was in a language course and later a masters student for a while. I think that there are opportunities in the USA to speak German. Depending on location there are Stammtische. (a Stammtisch is a place where people regularly meet to speak German.) Otherwise you could find a tandem partner who you could talk on Skype with.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I guess, people learn in different ways. My opinion is Dictionaries and Flash cards have almost no value. I have my German textbook from thirty one years ago, sitting by my feet; as I type this. It is called Deutsch, Schritt fur Schritt. It's a good textbook, and I have used it on occasion over the years. But, it is pretty boring learning German from it. I stand, by my opinion that Duolingo is great. I respect your opinion also, but you know the old saying: Opinions are like but hole, everyone has one.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

I do like Duolingo because it is fun and there is benefit to using it, but I just think that actually reading, hearing and speaking language as it exists in the real world (articles or books, movies and conversations) is something you should do once you are past the beginner phase. You can learn a lot of words by finding a short text and looking up words you don't know. I write down lists of these words with their translations or definitions, try to memorize them, and then read the text again. It feels like hard work but if you want to be able to read, you have to try to read. For fun I go to Duolingo or watch movies in German.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

American, isn't the real world. Like I told you earlier, I lived in Berlin for two years (as you also did), do you realize what an advantage that is (compared to someone just starting to learn German today) Like I wrote earlier, I immersed myself in the language; determined to be fluent by the time I returned to the United States. I did a ton of work learning German at the time. When I left Berlin, I took the Defense Department Language Test. When I got the test back there was a score of C1, so I was trying to figure it out. I thought to myself, what is this C1 and what does it mean. The U.S. Army considers a soldier's language skills valuable and gave me a skill identifier for it. I was given an L in my MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) 91S5L. So, I was happy. I'm pretty sure that language identifier, helped me achieve the highest enlisted rank during my career. So, I was at the C1 level of German when I left Berlin. I knew my German was very good, but I didn't consider myself fluent.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

That's how I continued to learn German after leaving Berlin. You can stop, with the thinking that your German is better than mine (it may be, but it doesn't matter) I appreciate the definition you provided earlier, but I already know all the other stuff you are trying to lay on me. My German and English are pretty much interchangeable now. I don't think your English is any better than mine, from our written exchanges thus far. Duolingo was the key to me achieving my goal of being fluent. I always, tried to come up with a definition for fluency. For me, I have just reached it in my mind. I can read, write, speak and comprehend German and English on pretty much the same level. Thanks to Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

drvdw, wrote: I am an American and also lived in Berlin for two years. I think, that it is probably easier to learn German, if a person is an English speaker. Because the languages are different. Many Germans speak English, so it is not always rewarding to learn German, because many want to switch to English. My opinion is after Text and Book lessons, Dictionaries and Flash cards are the most productive. A person, also has to have real conversations to practice. In order, to be able to speak a language. I hold on to my opinion, that Duolingo is only a game. This is more are less what he wrote.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

verwandt = related (because they are both Germanic) "Meiner Meinung nach" = "in my opinion" or "according to my opinion"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Verwandt, was the one word I didn't recognize. I knew the Meiner Meinung nach. I thought about looking it up, but figured I would do it later. Thanks for the definition.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Why are you spelling Konnen, the way you are. I assume you are using the e to replace the umlaut over the o. But, you have an umlaut over the u (in ausuben). So, why are you spelling it like that? It should be Meiner Meinung ist nach Text und....produktivste can't be spelled properly (can it). Maybe, we can help each other further our German after all.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

Man kann den Umlaut so schreiben. Ich muss meine Tastatur konfigurieren, um Umlaut-Taste nuetzen zu koennen. Manchmal schneide ich sie aus und fuege sie ein.
Es heisst "meiner meinung nach" alles zusammen ohne "ist" in der Mitte. "produktivste" ist richtig buchstabiert.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I know you can set your keyboard up the way you have yours set. I elected not to do that. I'm working on my umlauts now in my Duolingo lessons. So, the way I understand it: Meiner meinung nach stays together before the verb ist, in the sentence you wrote? I looked up "produktivste" it means most productive and should be easy to remember. Why are you learning German, do you teach it or something?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

Yes it does seem like nach is in a strange place but it all goes together like that: http://www.dict.cc/?s=meiner+meinung+nach

No I'm not teaching. It's just for fun. I'm interested in German for a number of reasons.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

Your method of learning seems to be working for you. You must be rich or something. How can you go to Berlin for two years learning German; just for fun. One thing about it, I never spent a dime learning German. I guess, I better take that back. I did, buy a tape player to play my Berlitz tapes from the library. It had a duping feature, to make my own copies. I sure did sleep good, I'd turn that tape player on and be sleeping like a baby; before I knew it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/drvdw

I didn't just go there learn German. I told you I went to a University later. I wanted to study linguistics, machine translation and A.I. I also picked German because there are a lot of important books written in German and I have some distant relatives in Germany.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brucethom1950

I thought, you might be a German teacher (which you already ruled out) your German is actually about the best I've seen. Either, German or America. I write in English, to help other Americans out and to encourage them. Most of them don't know German that well. I was trying to help Tony and Serg.

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