"My mother has ten siblings."
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wait so right before this i had one where the only difference was it was dad had eight, it said it was 父 は 八 人 の きょうだい が います。so i tried the same with this one (except there wasn't a の available) 母は十人きょうだいがいます but it said it was wrong? why? and isn't sentence order a bit interchangeable in Japanese as long as the verb is at the end and groupings stay together? i guess it's because the の wasn't there it had to be said in a different way...
You're right, it's because of the missing no 「の」(no, not the glitch Pokémon).
ELI5 In counters, if you want to say the number before the thing, you say Person/subject は counter のthing/object (が) います
The other way to say it would be
Person/subject は thing/object が counter います
I guess you could say it's the difference between "My father's brothers, there are eight of them" and "My father has eight brothers" (not entirely accurate comparison)
Because that's not how you count things in Japanese.
"There are X things" Thing がX [Counter for X] あります/います.
There are 3 books = 本が三冊あります。
There are 5 glasses = ガラスが五本あります。
There are 7 plates = 皿が七枚あります。
There are 9 rabbits = ウサギが九羽あります。
冊 being the counter for books, 本 the one for cylindrical objects, 枚 for flat objects, 羽 for birds and rabbits, etc.
When you don't know the specific counter for an object, you can use つ instead.
There is one sphere = 圏が一つあります。
There are tons of different counters; look them up! http://jisho.org/search/counter%20for
Sweet lord almighty... that's a lot of counters! :o So many different counters for various animals. Guess I'm out of becoming a Japanese farmer anytime soon.
Thank you for the link :)
I agree with Ginkkou.
If you are determined to put the number together with the noun, you need a quantifier as well as the particle の.
e.g. スマップは 五人の 男性アイドルグループです
SMAP is a boy band of 5 people.
Note the sentence structure and focus are already not the same as in the example of Duo, even in English.
more about the ～人 counter here:
いる means the exact same thing as います, but います is more formal. Kanji link's series explains conjugation fairly well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOXuIYVzyL4&list=PLE6S_Q0SX_mBtzG17ho7YER6vmzCPJ3B4
I'm not sure if it is "wrong", but at least it is not needed. Some nouns are already implying plurality or possibility of plurality and it is not necessary to add たち as we would add -s in English. 兄弟 is referring to a class of people by identity. 兄弟たち would be the collective of such people. I think it is acceptable to say something like 母の兄弟たちがみんな海外に住んでいます/My mother's siblings are all living aboard.
Just swapped '父' for '母', and '六人' for '十人' from my response '私の父は六人のきょうだいがいます。' to the other question in this section about the phrase 'My dad has 6 siblings' (which was marked right) and been marked wrong.
Can anyone suggest where I have gone wrong and/or why there is a distinction, please? Thank you.
お母さん in this context sounds a little bit childish but you can use it, 母 it's the better option. 姉妹 would be only correct if all the siblings are female. 姉妹 just means sisters while 兄弟 can be mixed in gender.
When you say 母は it's implied that is your own mom because you usually don't use honorifics to talk about your family when speaking to other people, while using お母さん sounds awkward because while you are expressing that is indeed your mom you are talking of, this way to refer to your parents is usual between children that grow between parents calling themselves by honorifics, but once the child grows up they just use the non-honorific counterparts unless there are some special circumstances.
The point is to use honorifics with someone else family and humble yours while talking to the listener.
while is not directly incorrect, the way I see the variations in the kanji for the word きょうだい、as you did, using 姉 + 弟 (older sister + little brother), is usually done to refer to a specific pair, and it's also used in combination with hiragana or furigana. The normal word will almost always be written as きょうだい or 兄弟 for consistency.
Here's a question that I don't see people discussing, but it is something that has been bothering me about this sentence and others like it.
If one word ends in the moraic nasal ん and the following word begins with a vowel - like in 「十人います」, for example - can this end up being pronounced like 「じゅうににます」, or would that just sound totally wrong to a Japanese person? Do you have to be careful to pronounce it differently?
The subject particle が should go after 兄弟 as the siblings/brothers are what are doing the existing
Counters are adverbs and do not take particles. (Particles are used to indicate the relationship of a word to a verb but adverbs already directly modify the verb)
If you wanted to put the counter before the particle it would also have to go before the thing being counted with the linking particle の to connect them: 十人の兄弟
Kyodai can be both "brothers" and "siblings", if they are 2 it depends of the kanji combination (you can mix the 4 kanjis for brothers, the 2 for girls change the pronunciation to "姉妹"), if the 2 are the one for males then its brothers, if they are mixed then is siblings, if they are 3 or more you use "兄" and "弟" if they are all men or mixed (making the "classic" kyodai), if they are all woman then is 姉妹
Sorry if its hard to understand